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Shyster19
Joined: 10.26.2016

Sep 5 @ 9:15 PM ET
Trade him to Edmonton for RNH
- DinoRondelly



SO basically Chiarrelli trades Rnh for a lesser yakupov who he traded for beans??? Ahhhhh nope
Clyde334
Calgary Flames
Location: OG loves Nenshi!! Nenshi sucks!!, AB
Joined: 06.19.2016

Sep 5 @ 10:07 PM ET
Never forget

- DDM-Coga

You ever going to grow up?
Helios
Calgary Flames
Location: AB
Joined: 08.11.2016

Sep 5 @ 10:07 PM ET
I'm not sure what Bennett thinks he's done to warrant a lot of money but he hasn't done it yet. I think his defensive game is being severely underrated, but his offensive stats need to be a lot better to warrant anything more than $2.5 million. Sure, this could be Treliving trying to rip him off, but given his track record I highly doubt that's the case.

Bennett has no leverage here. If Treliving dug in and held ground with Johhny Gaudreau, he'll sure as Hell do it with Bennett. I'm not sure what he's thinking right now, but he needs to realize that this could end very, very badly for him here.
Clyde334
Calgary Flames
Location: OG loves Nenshi!! Nenshi sucks!!, AB
Joined: 06.19.2016

Sep 5 @ 10:09 PM ET
I'm not sure what Bennett thinks he's done to warrant a lot of money but he hasn't done it yet. I think his defensive game is being severely underrated, but his offensive stats need to be a lot better to warrant anything more than $2.5 million. Sure, this could be Treliving trying to rip him off, but given his track record I highly doubt that's the case.

Bennett has no leverage here. If Treliving dug in and held ground with Johhny Gaudreau, he'll sure as Hell do it with Bennett. I'm not sure what he's thinking right now, but he needs to realize that this could end very, very badly for him here.

- Helios

100%
Saskabush
Calgary Flames
Location: Bridge City, SK
Joined: 10.29.2013

Sep 5 @ 10:37 PM ET
Wut
- Iggysbff


His underlying stats & raw counting totals speak for themselves. He is definitely among the top 31 centres in the league.
Saskabush
Calgary Flames
Location: Bridge City, SK
Joined: 10.29.2013

Sep 5 @ 10:51 PM ET
If you listen to him in interviews, he clearly gets in his own head and puts too much pressure on himself when things aren't going well. If he gets off to a good start, he will probably have a great season, but if it's a rough start, he's probably going to get stuck in his own head and start overthinking everything again. Skipping training camp isn't the best way to make sure you're season gets off to a great start.
- Hunkulese


Ohh...I have a different definition of headcase then and, yeah I'm hoping Johnny will maybe talk to him and tell him that skipping training camp didn't work out to well for him last year

You have a point, but I think Bennett made quite a bit of progress towards the end of the year on his mental game. He probably hasn't ever had to work through something like that in his hockey career.

Just a hunch, but I think he's going to have a good year. I've just liked what I've seen from him in interviews/clips this summer.
DDM-Coga
Colorado Avalanche
Location: If Chabot is not in the NHL, Ill revoke my account - AlfiesSald, AB
Joined: 07.24.2009

Sep 5 @ 11:41 PM ET
You ever going to grow up?
- Clyde334


we both know the answer to that
TandA4Flames
Calgary Flames
Joined: 05.10.2010

Sep 5 @ 11:55 PM ET
we both know the answer to that
- DDM-Coga

Pretty sure we all do.
DuranDuran
Calgary Flames
Location: Quito
Joined: 09.29.2015

Sep 6 @ 12:00 AM ET
we both know the answer to that
- DDM-Coga


Still don't get why living in Calgary you hate the Flames and love the Oil so much. Might be because the Oil are more similar to the Ave's with both sucking and winning 1st overalls.

Or maybe it has something to do with you being angry at the city about getting banned from all the All You Can Eat establishments on the city. We will never know.
Iggysbff
Vegas Golden Knights
Location: Peter Chiarelli is a fking moron, Calgary, AB
Joined: 07.12.2012

Sep 6 @ 12:12 AM ET
His underlying stats & raw counting totals speak for themselves. He is definitely among the top 31 centres in the league.
- Saskabush

Jesus dude.
Saskabush
Calgary Flames
Location: Bridge City, SK
Joined: 10.29.2013

Sep 6 @ 12:23 AM ET
Jesus dude.
- Iggysbff


Good response, top-notch bud
DDM-Coga
Colorado Avalanche
Location: If Chabot is not in the NHL, Ill revoke my account - AlfiesSald, AB
Joined: 07.24.2009

Sep 6 @ 12:25 AM ET
Still don't get why living in Calgary you hate the Flames and love the Oil so much. Might be because the Oil are more similar to the Ave's with both sucking and winning 1st overalls.

Or maybe it has something to do with you being angry at the city about getting banned from all the All You Can Eat establishments on the city. We will never know.

- DuranDuran


I dont hate the Flames, I love messing with their fans is all. Work with some real donkeys who like to talk hockey all day but are clueless to the rest of the league, just like to repeat what they just read on TSN that day Flames fans are just fun to mess with and most are hyper sensitive about their team.

I don't love the oilers either, but they were loveable losers for a long time and had similar builds as my Avs. But their writers have become insufferable since McDavid and a playoff birth so I rip on the edmonton journal and oiler sportsnet guys all the time
Hunkulese
Calgary Flames
Location: QC
Joined: 09.30.2006

Sep 6 @ 1:57 AM ET
I'm not sure what Bennett thinks he's done to warrant a lot of money but he hasn't done it yet. I think his defensive game is being severely underrated, but his offensive stats need to be a lot better to warrant anything more than $2.5 million. Sure, this could be Treliving trying to rip him off, but given his track record I highly doubt that's the case.

Bennett has no leverage here. If Treliving dug in and held ground with Johhny Gaudreau, he'll sure as Hell do it with Bennett. I'm not sure what he's thinking right now, but he needs to realize that this could end very, very badly for him here.

- Helios


To be fair, we don't know how accurate the report is or any of the details. If the Flames aren't willing to sign a shorter contract and aren't offering Bennett decent money for a long term contract, he's in the right to threaten to go to Europe.

For all we know, he's perfectly fine signing a 1 year 1.5 million deal, but the Flame want him at 7 years for 3.5 million.
Lahey
Edmonton Oilers
Location: del's basement chilling with S, AB
Joined: 03.07.2011

Sep 6 @ 9:01 AM ET
Re: McDavid. Sure I agree with that but unlike guys like TOews, KANe what has he won for the team? 1 PO round. Worth $12.5 mil?
- TandA4Flames

If we went based off of that why does 90% of the league have the contracts they do?

Please what is with TO and KAN? Very odd
Lahey
Edmonton Oilers
Location: del's basement chilling with S, AB
Joined: 03.07.2011

Sep 6 @ 9:02 AM ET
Maybe if he stopped getting sloshed at all these country concerts and actually focused on his training he could earn some more money.
- Squilliam-

In all fairness you kinda have to be sloshed if you attend a Country concert.

Woman are so (frank)ing annyoing at those things, that you need liquor to cope.
Lahey
Edmonton Oilers
Location: del's basement chilling with S, AB
Joined: 03.07.2011

Sep 6 @ 9:05 AM ET
To be fair, we don't know how accurate the report is or any of the details. If the Flames aren't willing to sign a shorter contract and aren't offering Bennett decent money for a long term contract, he's in the right to threaten to go to Europe.

For all we know, he's perfectly fine signing a 1 year 1.5 million deal, but the Flame want him at 7 years for 3.5 million.

- Hunkulese

This is the part I wonder about. Just like arbitration. Everyone was way out on long-term deals 3 days before arbitration. Yet somehow the day before they all signed shorter term contracts.

The other issue could also be that he's willing to sign a long-term deal and they are close in terms of dollars, but he might want one of those lockout proof deals.
dr_soiledpants
Calgary Flames
Location: Watrous, SK
Joined: 08.15.2015

Sep 6 @ 9:22 AM ET
This is the part I wonder about. Just like arbitration. Everyone was way out on long-term deals 3 days before arbitration. Yet somehow the day before they all signed shorter term contracts.

The other issue could also be that he's willing to sign a long-term deal and they are close in terms of dollars, but he might want one of those lockout proof deals.

- Lahey


I think most likely is that Sam wants a one year deal so that he can hopefully break out, and get a big contract sooner. Tre probably wants to sign him up until his last rfa year. I don't get the sense that money is the issue in this one. It's gotta be the term.
Shyster19
Joined: 10.26.2016

Sep 6 @ 10:10 AM ET
He's our 3C because Monahan had already established himself with Gaudreau and Backlund is a legit #1 centre.

The Flames want to develop Sam as a centre. He wasn't "demoted", those were the only minutes available to him; unless we were to convert him to a RW (which I don't think the Flames want to do given the uncertainty around Backlund's extension).

- Saskabush



THIs is where Flames fans go off the rails. Backlund a 'legit' #1 C?? C'mon man. He is a really good #2, but no team in the league has a career .4ppg centre ( who only the last 2 years has been over 40pts/season ) as their top line centre. But please give him 6million a year when he is age 29, than turn around and call RNH overpaid ( career .64pts/game and 24yrs old.

I really like alot of your posts, but this is why other fan bases call you guys the most delusional in the leauge.
The-O-G
Calgary Flames
Joined: 11.29.2011

Sep 6 @ 10:37 AM ET
THIs is where Flames fans go off the rails. Backlund a 'legit' #1 C?? C'mon man. He is a really good #2, but no team in the league has a career .4ppg centre ( who only the last 2 years has been over 40pts/season ) as their top line centre. But please give him 6million a year when he is age 29, than turn around and call RNH overpaid ( career .64pts/game and 24yrs old.

I really like alot of your posts, but this is why other fan bases call you guys the most delusional in the leauge.

- Shyster19


He's really good but you aren't winning at cup with him as your best center, period.
Saskabush
Calgary Flames
Location: Bridge City, SK
Joined: 10.29.2013

Sep 6 @ 3:24 PM ET
THIs is where Flames fans go off the rails. Backlund a 'legit' #1 C?? C'mon man. He is a really good #2, but no team in the league has a career .4ppg centre ( who only the last 2 years has been over 40pts/season ) as their top line centre. But please give him 6million a year when he is age 29, than turn around and call RNH overpaid ( career .64pts/game and 24yrs old.

I really like alot of your posts, but this is why other fan bases call you guys the most delusional in the leauge.

- Shyster19


So he's not a 1st line centre because he's only been putting up points for 2 years? Backlund had a very slow start to his career and often had his season/training derailed by injuries. The Backlund of the last 2 seasons is the player most Flames fans knew he was capable of becoming.

I don't think a guy like Adam Larsson is an elite defenseman by any means, but it is totally fair to call him a top pairing dman.

Top pairing dman= top 62 in the league.
#1 Centre = top 31 in the league.

His advanced stats say he's a #1 centre: https://public.tableau.co...9FG2JH?:display_count=yes

He finished in the top 30 in points among centremen (most lists I found are littered with wingers and he was still up there).

and the eye test shows me that the guy can flat out play. He makes everyone who plays with him better and is one of the better 2-way forwards in the game. His line last year was one of the very best in hockey and his linemates were an 18 year old and Frolik. He made Lance freakin Bouma look like a 2.2 million dollar player

http://www.sportsnet.ca/h...flames-impactful-forward/

As for going off the rails, you might notice that I did not call Monahan a legit #1 centre. That is because there is an argument to be made that he is not there yet. I just think Backlund's the complete package--there's no way I wouldn't have him among the top 31 centres in the league.
Saskabush
Calgary Flames
Location: Bridge City, SK
Joined: 10.29.2013

Sep 6 @ 3:33 PM ET
^Long story short

I think Backlunds among the top 30 centres and I think the evidence and the eye test will back me up on that.
Lahey
Edmonton Oilers
Location: del's basement chilling with S, AB
Joined: 03.07.2011

Sep 6 @ 3:35 PM ET
So he's not a 1st line centre because he's only been putting up points for 2 years? Backlund had a very slow start to his career and often had his season/training derailed by injuries. The Backlund of the last 2 seasons is the player most Flames fans knew he was capable of becoming.

I don't think a guy like Adam Larsson is an elite defenseman by any means, but it is totally fair to call him a top pairing dman.

Top pairing dman= top 62 in the league.
#1 Centre = top 31 in the league.

His advanced stats say he's a #1 centre: https://public.tableau.co...9FG2JH?:display_count=yes

He finished in the top 30 in points among centremen (most lists I found are littered with wingers and he was still up there).

and the eye test shows me that the guy can flat out play. He makes everyone who plays with him better and is one of the better 2-way forwards in the game. His line last year was one of the very best in hockey and his linemates were an 18 year old and Frolik. He made Lance freakin Bouma look like a 2.2 million dollar player

http://www.sportsnet.ca/h...flames-impactful-forward/

As for going off the rails, you might notice that I did not call Monahan a legit #1 centre. That is because there is an argument to be made that he is not there yet. I just think Backlund's the complete package--there's no way I wouldn't have him among the top 31 centres in the league.

- Saskabush

It really comes down to whether or not you consider there are 31 #1 centers in the league. It's a debate in itself.

Honestly if a guy is in the top 31 for points and spends a lot of time on the PK, it seems to me that guy should be considered a #1 center. Maybe we need to start calling guys a Top 31 center in the league instead of #1 center?
Lahey
Edmonton Oilers
Location: del's basement chilling with S, AB
Joined: 03.07.2011

Sep 6 @ 3:35 PM ET
^Long story short

I think Backlunds among the top 30 centres and I think the evidence and the eye test will back me up on that.

- Saskabush

(frank) sakes, i wasted all the time when there was a coles version
Saskabush
Calgary Flames
Location: Bridge City, SK
Joined: 10.29.2013

Sep 6 @ 3:45 PM ET
It really comes down to whether or not you consider there are 31 #1 centers in the league. It's a debate in itself.

Honestly if a guy is in the top 31 for points and spends a lot of time on the PK, it seems to me that guy should be considered a #1 center. Maybe we need to start calling guys a Top 31 center in the league instead of #1 center?

- Lahey


Fair point. You can actually thank Oiler fans for changing my point of view on #1 centres after they cried when people refused to call lord larsson a top pairing dman .

By definition there has to be 62 top pairing dmen in the league, soo by that measure then he would be a top pairing dman.

Not trying to argue that Backlund would be a #1C on a cup contender. But I do think he is still a #1C.
Saskabush
Calgary Flames
Location: Bridge City, SK
Joined: 10.29.2013

Sep 6 @ 3:45 PM ET
(frank) sakes, i wasted all the time when there was a coles version
- Lahey


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