he's got the tools, in my opinion. he's very quick and super smooth moving around the crease. i don't put any stock in a pre-season game. it was a lot of weird rebound broken play garbage that went by him.
- hammarby31

Yea I agree, he has the tools to do it for sure. It sucked to see him leave the Rangers.

Is Nolan Patrick a lock for the team? I haven't been able to watch much of him yet.

Rangers have two 18 year old first rounds picks in Andersson and Chytill who sound like both have a legit opportunity to break camp with the Rangers this season. Excited to see this new crop of young players around the league

Yea I agree, he has the tools to do it for sure. It sucked to see him leave the Rangers.

Is Nolan Patrick a lock for the team? I haven't been able to watch much of him yet.

Rangers have two 18 year old first rounds picks in Andersson and Chytill who sound like both have a legit opportunity to break camp with the Rangers this season. Excited to see this new crop of young players around the league
- TPC

i believe Patrick, Lindblom, Hagg, and Morin are all locks. All 4 have played very poised so far.

You can especially tell that Patrick is the real deal. He plays a very mature game on both sides of the puck.

i believe Patrick, Lindblom, Hagg, and Morin are all locks. All 4 have played very poised so far.

You can especially tell that Patrick is the real deal. He plays a very mature game on both sides of the puck.
- MBFlyerfan

No Sanheim yet? I always thought he was ahead of Hagg/Morin on the depth chart

No Sanheim yet? I always thought he was ahead of Hagg/Morin on the depth chart
- TPC

If it were up to me Sanheim would be making the team as well over MacDonald or Manning.

I am just not sure the Flyers want to carry 3 rookies, 1 second year guy, and a 3rd year guy as 5 of their top 6 d-men.

Personally I would have no problem with it.

Yea I agree, he has the tools to do it for sure. It sucked to see him leave the Rangers.

Is Nolan Patrick a lock for the team? I haven't been able to watch much of him yet.

Rangers have two 18 year old first rounds picks in Andersson and Chytill who sound like both have a legit opportunity to break camp with the Rangers this season. Excited to see this new crop of young players around the league
- TPC

i'm happy for him that he's getting a chance to play. he'll have all the opportunity in th world with arizona. i hope he does well.

i would say Patrick is a lock, and while he hasn't wow'ed anyone yet, i think it's good that he start with the flyers. it may take him awhile to find his legs, but he's showed very responsible defensive play, and that's what i'd rather see than offensive flash and a being a liability.

i haven't payed any attention to the rangers prospects, so i'm not familiar with either of those names, but i'll keep my eyes open for those guys. my general feeling is that the rangers are started on a bit of a downward trend, but i could be wrong. HL will give them a chance no matter what.

Anyone know if the MSG TV feed will be blacked out on the NHL TV app in the philly area? Since there is not a philly tv broadcast I would think there is a chance it would work.

Dude got beat up by Kovalchuk. Just sayin.
- jmatchett383

You just do not trade a 25 goal scorer and top pp goal man in the nhl because Lindblom or whoever is coming, just bad business. Two second round picks for an established young pp specialist with some grit does not cut it for me. The only other reason would be if he was a problem in the room but I have heard nothing about that and I am really sorry to see him in St. Louis.

i'm happy for him that he's getting a chance to play. he'll have all the opportunity in th world with arizona. i hope he does well.

i would say Patrick is a lock, and while he hasn't wow'ed anyone yet, i think it's good that he start with the flyers. it may take him awhile to find his legs, but he's showed very responsible defensive play, and that's what i'd rather see than offensive flash and a being a liability.

i haven't payed any attention to the rangers prospects, so i'm not familiar with either of those names, but i'll keep my eyes open for those guys. my general feeling is that the rangers are started on a bit of a downward trend, but i could be wrong. HL will give them a chance no matter what.
- hammarby31

Yea the Rangers still have one of the worst if not the worst prospect groups in the NHL. What is saving them is their regular roster is still pretty young outside of Hank and Nash. Will be interesting how long they can stay a constant playoff team.

Hopefully Patrick plays tomorrow to, I think that game will be on TV. Want to see him play

You just do not trade a 25 goal scorer and top pp goal man in the nhl because Lindblom or whoever is coming, just bad business. Two second round picks for an established young pp specialist with some grit does not cut it for me. The only other reason would be if he was a problem in the room but I have heard nothing about that and I am really sorry to see him in St. Louis.
- joegreif17

What young pp specialist did they trade for 2 second round picks?

No Sanheim yet? I always thought he was ahead of Hagg/Morin on the depth chart
- TPC

He should be. We'll see if his trend line continues sharply upward. He does have the highest ceiling but the least pro experience. That means nothing to me if the three are actually among the team's six best Dmen. I think they are or will be soon enough to make the move.

I don't care if the picks didn't make the team.

I don't think anyone, including Hextall, expected that this deal would improve the team this season. I think that Hextall believes that a bounceback year from Giroux, The additions of Patrick, Lindblom, Lehtera, along with an improvement in Konecny, Laughton, Provorov, Ghost, and the 4th line in general will make up for the Schenn production lost. Hell, even throw in Couturier and Voracek having better seasons.

I don't even think it is that big of a leap to expect at least the majority of those things to happen.
- MBFlyerfan

Respectfully disagree, Schenn was tied for the league lead in pp goals, played hard and scored consistently over the years with better to come imo. Show me how many #45-#55 draft picks turn out over the last 10 years, it is a crap shoot with very long shot chances of being a Schenn. Just does not make sense trading a 25 year old because we have a Lindblom coming in next year.

You just do not trade a 25 goal scorer and top pp goal man in the nhl because Lindblom or whoever is coming, just bad business. Two second round picks for an established young pp specialist with some grit does not cut it for me. The only other reason would be if he was a problem in the room but I have heard nothing about that and I am really sorry to see him in St. Louis.
- joegreif17

Schenn was below-average defensively, average 5-on-5 and inconsistent in the areas that are supposed to be his strong suits. Any team in the NHL would have taken two first-round picks for Schenn in a heartbeat. I know because some non-Flyers pro scouts were amazed the Flyers got that much when 1st round picks are a hugely coveted asset (and one of the scouts didn't like the Lehterä part of the deal from a hockey standpoint ).

Respectfully disagree, Schenn was tied for the league lead in pp goals, played hard and scored consistently over the years with better to come imo. Show me how many #45-#55 draft picks turn out over the last 10 years, it is a crap shoot with very long shot chances of being a Schenn. Just does not make sense trading a 25 year old because we have a Lindblom coming in next year.
- joegreif17

What do picks 45-55 have to do with the Schenn trade?

What young pp specialist did they trade for 2 second round picks?
- jmatchett383

Schenn

Schenn
- joegreif17

No, you are incorrect sir.

What young pp specialist did they trade for 2 second round picks?
- jmatchett383

McGinn?

Schenn was below-average defensively, average 5-on-5 and inconsistent in the areas that are supposed to be his strong suits. Any team in the NHL would have taken two first-round picks for Schenn in a heartbeat. I know because some non-Flyers pro scouts were amazed the Flyers got that much when 1st round picks are a hugely coveted asset (and one of the scouts didn't like the Lehterä part of the deal from a hockey standpoint ).
- bmeltzer

My sincere apologies, for some reason my computer had me thinking it was two second round picks. The first round picks change my opinion some but still would have kept Schenn over two #20 to #25 first round picks. Either way it is done and time will tell. If Schenn keeps developing and scores 30+ for years and the pick do not pan out I was right. If the picks turn out to be two Erik Karlsson's then I was wrong.

No, you are incorrect sir.
- jmatchett383

My bad, thanks for pointing it out.

McGinn?
- Streit2ThePoint

Denis Gauthier was ACQUIRED for 2 second rounders, but I don't know of any trade in which they traded for 2, and I wouldn't call Gauthier a "young PP specialist."

Yea the Rangers still have one of the worst if not the worst prospect groups in the NHL. What is saving them is their regular roster is still pretty young outside of Hank and Nash. Will be interesting how long they can stay a constant playoff team.

Hopefully Patrick plays tomorrow to, I think that game will be on TV. Want to see him play
- TPC

Buchnevich, DeAngelo, Vesey are all very good prospects, Pionk, Andersson they are not as bad as you say

My sincere apologies, for some reason my computer had me thinking it was two second round picks. The first round picks change my opinion some but still would have kept Schenn over two #20 to #25 first round picks. Either way it is done and time will tell. If Schenn keeps developing and scores 30+ for years and the pick do not pan out I was right. If the picks turn out to be two Erik Karlsson's then I was wrong.
- joegreif17

It's tough to use revisionist history to evaluate a trade. For instance, when the Flyers traded the 27th overall pick for Steve Eminger, it was a bad trade. Steve Eminger could have gone on to win 18 Norris Trophies and it was still a bad trade, because you have to consider value given and taken when the trade was done. They could have gotten a much better return than a 3rd pairing defenseman for that pick, so it was a bad trade, regardless of what happened after.

Two first round picks and a bottom-6 center with 2 less years on his deal than Schenn was at least fair value for a guy who was a 5v5 black hole last season.

Denis Gauthier was ACQUIRED for 2 second rounders, but I don't know of any trade in which they traded for 2, and I wouldn't call Gauthier a "young PP specialist."
- jmatchett383

You can drop it now got your message the first time and replied.

You can drop it now got your message the first time and replied.
- joegreif17

Fine, but there's a world of difference between 2 1sts and 2 2nds. If it was 2 2nds, Hexy probably hangs up and laughs. I say this in the most non-condescending way possible, please do your best to gets your facts straight before talking about how poor something is. I made the same mistake this morning with the waiver claim rule, it happens.

It's tough to use revisionist history to evaluate a trade. For instance, when the Flyers traded the 27th overall pick for Steve Eminger, it was a bad trade. Steve Eminger could have gone on to win 18 Norris Trophies and it was still a bad trade, because you have to consider value given and taken when the trade was done. They could have gotten a much better return than a 3rd pairing defenseman for that pick, so it was a bad trade, regardless of what happened after.

Two first round picks and a bottom-6 center with 2 less years on his deal than Schenn was at least fair value for a guy who was a 5v5 black hole last season.
- jmatchett383

Not everyone would agree but time will tell. I still feel that Schenn will have his best years ahead of him. The Canucks rushed Cam Neely once upon a time and gave up on him and we all know how that turned out. Just sayin

Schenn was below-average defensively, average 5-on-5 and inconsistent in the areas that are supposed to be his strong suits. Any team in the NHL would have taken two first-round picks for Schenn in a heartbeat. I know because some non-Flyers pro scouts were amazed the Flyers got that much when 1st round picks are a hugely coveted asset (and one of the scouts didn't like the Lehterä part of the deal from a hockey standpoint ).
- bmeltzer

Hahaha! You can break down Schenn's game situationally all you want, he put pucks in the net. The Flyers don't have those guys growing on trees unfortunately . . . so for at least this year . . . the deal seems a minus for this year. Lindblom and Patrick could combine for 40+ goals and change that.

Long term, Frost is already looking nice for down the road. The trade is what it is now. I look to it as a positive sign Hextall is stepping up the kids and we'll see more of that in who finally does make the team.