That's hilarious the only trend here is to attack anything Canuck to death. The voices like your own are actually the rule here to deride everything and anything. Don't equate the local fan base of casual fan observers as the HB poster.

Having objectivity isn't a spurious affliction of cheering. There are suggestions made not take it or leave it demands. The reality being proposed is it's not as bad as you make it out and try to look at all sides of the issue. But your reaction is visceral. Calling that as independent thinking is hypocritical at best.

No one overates anything Canucks on these threads. The popular thing is to ridicule as much as possible. You lead the charge there, as you say, so maybe you think you are free thinking in your popularism.

An independent thinker, which applies reason, would understand the team has flaws and a long way to go but appreciate the little things like player development.
- Nuck4U

you are so far removed from reality is hilarious. By being critical of the talent (talentless) players, I’m labelled as visceral. This just proves my point that because I do not agree to your opinions you need to discount my stance...well done.

Everyone overrates everything Canucks, you with Stecher, last year complained insistently about Rodin not getting his chance to shine. You complained ad nauseous about several different line combinations because Desjardins didn’t agree with your over evaluation of crap players.

I will say my assessment of players that seems to counter your and others raw raw assumptions. Stecher sucks defensively and I will apply reason, not your Pom Pom reason for sure. And player development, do you even understand what that means, I think not, as I have stated several times last year and this summer, Hutton and Stecher belong in the AHL to be developed properly as defense man, not Chinese fire drill specialists.

you are so far removed from reality is hilarious. By being critical of the talent (talentless) players, I’m labelled as visceral. This just proves my point that because I do not agree to your opinions you need to discount my stance...well done.

Everyone overrates everything Canucks, you with Stecher, last year complained insistently about Rodin not getting his chance to shine. You complained ad nauseous about several different line combinations because Desjardins didn’t agree with your over evaluation of crap players.

I will say my assessment of players that seems to counter your and others raw raw assumptions. Stecher sucks defensively and I will apply reason, not your Pom Pom reason for sure. And player development, do you even understand what that means, I think not, as I have stated several times last year and this summer, Hutton and Stecher belong in the AHL to be developed properly as defense man, not Chinese fire drill specialists.
- Makita

Only thing proven is your hyperbole and continuation to personalize falsely. Plus there is no demand for you to accept an opinion by pointing out your view of Canuck bashing is the popular one.

Wanting to send down Hutton and Stecher who would be claimed on waivers is not reasonable. The reality is they are developing learning the NHL game. How competent they become will be evident over the next couple seasons.

Only thing proven is your hyperbole and continuation to personalize falsely. Plus there is no demand for you to accept an opinion by pointing out your view of Canuck bashing is the popular one.

Wanting to send down Hutton and Stecher who would be claimed on waivers is not reasonable. The reality is they are developing learning the NHL game. How competent they become will be evident over the next couple seasons.
- Nuck4U

You have a weird interpretation of an individuals opinion, just because they don’t align with your ridiculous assessments you need to criticize and demean mine as hyperbole. You can shove your continued assertion that my view is a popular bashing of the Canucks.

Your Pom Pom waving is sickening, your continued assertion that the NHL is a developing league just shows your lack of proper player development. I could care less if either player is lost to waivers, and I would doubt any NHL team would claim them off waivers, they’re borderline NHL players.

Hey but continue to wave those Pom poms, you are the only true fan, we can only bow to your expansive hockey knowledge. Talk about ignorant blind closed minded opinions.

Elite 3c?
- Pres.cup

Gaudette if your wondering

Actually I would call people with the courage to voice their opinions that don’t adhere to main stream brainwashing, (similar to what several of you guys here subscribe to) as free thinkers.

Stecher is severely overrated. As the season progresses you guys will fall in with the first guy like Vantel or Lefty that starts to criticize Stecher and *bam* it will be a thing that you all jump on.
- Makita

My opinion of Stecher is he is just okay. He needs to improve but he is young so maybe he can ? I don't think he is part of an elite D. He was one of Canucks best D last year but that fits in to the saying of the best apple of a rotten bunch.

I don't think this years D is horrible but nor do I think they are good. I think they could have 3 good pieces and Stecher nor Hutton are one of those pieces.

IF they win tonight. Van's in a playoff spot!

Damnit, need to find pictures of pom poms.

Luoungo placed in IR with hand injury.

There is truth to what Makita said last night and what Darius said.

There are no high skilled players on his team at the moment .There are a few decent players but not high end talent. The closest we have at this moment are Brock and Bo.

I still think Bo is a 3C and overpaid by 1 mil but hopefully time proves me wrong. He is a damn good all around player. I never look at him as being an elite scorer or play maker but more as a guy that you can rely on for everything. A lunch bucket player.

Brock is way too early to start making predictions but so far so good.

JV I think will become a top 6 player eventually.

I would like to see JV BB and Bo form a line. After that you have two pretty good Dmen Edler and Tanev and EG looks like he might turn into something decent (Willie Mitchell type) . After that mediocre at best

Darius is right about the Pom pom waiving because it is all we have

My opinion of Stecher is he is just okay. He needs to improve but he is young so maybe he can ? I don't think he is part of an elite D. He was one of Canucks best D last year but that fits in to the saying of the best apple of a rotten bunch.

I don't think this years D is horrible but nor do I think they are good. I think they could have 3 good pieces and Stecher nor Hutton are one of those pieces.
- VANTEL

Expecting young d to be stars right away is delusional. Even some of the best d in past 25 years struggled early in their careers (see Pronger). Stetcher will never be a Pronger but he has offensive instincts that make him an NHL asset in today's game. Let him grow and see what he becomes in 2 years.

IF they win tonight. Van's in a playoff spot!

Damnit, need to find pictures of pom poms.
- manvanfan

I am in the minority but I like seeing them win and hope they do so each time they play.

I am in the minority but I like seeing them win and hope they do so each time they play.
- Robio

I love to watch them win. I love to see the young players grow. I love when they make mistakes and learn from their mistakes.

I am in the minority but I like seeing them win and hope they do so each time they play.
- Robio

Even us draftist like seeing them win. We just look at it as if we want high end talent we have to take a hit for a few years.

There is truth to what Makita said last night and what Darius said.

There are no high skilled players on his team at the moment .There are a few decent players but not high end talent. The closest we have at this moment are Brock and Bo.

I still think Bo is a 3C and overpaid by 1 mil but hopefully time proves me wrong. He is a damn good all around player. I never look at him as being an elite scorer or play maker but more as a guy that you can rely on for everything. A lunch bucket player.

Brock is way too early to start making predictions but so far so good.

JV I think will become a top 6 player eventually.

I would like to see JV BB and Bo form a line. After that you have two pretty good Dmen Edler and Tanev and EG looks like he might turn into something decent (Willie Mitchell type) . After that mediocre at best

Darius is right about the Pom pom waiving because it is all we have
- VANTEL

When all you do is look for sadness and disappointment you tend to find it.

I would say that just about everyone in here knows that this team lacks top end talent. There is nothing we can do about it right now so STFU about it. Be Patient.

As a Canucks fan, I am going to enjoy watching the team win hockey games. Play entertaining hockey.

That doesn't mean i'm some sort of pom pom waiver because I don't just focus on the bad things.

There is truth to what Makita said last night and what Darius said.

There are no high skilled players on his team at the moment .There are a few decent players but not high end talent. The closest we have at this moment are Brock and Bo.

I still think Bo is a 3C and overpaid by 1 mil but hopefully time proves me wrong. He is a damn good all around player. I never look at him as being an elite scorer or play maker but more as a guy that you can rely on for everything. A lunch bucket player.

Brock is way too early to start making predictions but so far so good.

JV I think will become a top 6 player eventually.

I would like to see JV BB and Bo form a line. After that you have two pretty good Dmen Edler and Tanev and EG looks like he might turn into something decent (Willie Mitchell type) . After that mediocre at best

Darius is right about the Pom pom waiving because it is all we have
- VANTEL

Granny is a strong defensive player with some offence in him. Could end up being a Draper/Maltby type on a good team in the future if the top picks pan out as planned. This team might not have stars but it has a lot of good players (potentially 8 20 goal scorers in Daniel, BB, Granny, Bo, Vanek, Sven, Sutter, Loui, and dare I say Dorsett ).

Scoring and defending by committee with strong day to day game plans could produce surprising results.

Granny is a strong defensive player with some offence in him. Could end up being a Draper/Maltby type on a good team in the future if the top picks pan out as planned. This team might not have stars but it has a lot of good players (potentially 8 20 goal scorers in Daniel, BB, Granny, Bo, Vanek, Sven, Sutter, Loui, and dare I say Dorsett ).

Scoring and defending by committee with strong day to day game plans could produce surprising results.
- Robio

Look at the VGK so far.

When all you do is look for sadness and disappointment you tend to find it.

I would say that just about everyone in here knows that this team lacks top end talent. There is nothing we can do about it right now so STFU about it. Be Patient.

As a Canucks fan, I am going to enjoy watching the team win hockey games. Play entertaining hockey.

That doesn't mean i'm some sort of pom pom waiver because I don't just focus on the bad things.
- manvanfan

First off GFY

I mean that GFY

I was not criticizing them and I do enjoy watching every games so I will repeat one more time . Bend over and GFY

Granny is a strong defensive player with some offence in him. Could end up being a Draper/Maltby type on a good team in the future if the top picks pan out as planned. This team might not have stars but it has a lot of good players (potentially 8 20 goal scorers in Daniel, BB, Granny, Bo, Vanek, Sven, Sutter, Loui, and dare I say Dorsett ).

Scoring and defending by committee with strong day to day game plans could produce surprising results.
- Robio

I like Granny Burmi Sutter Stecher MDZ but they are a tier down . Granlund I am all with keeping him. He is a secret guilty pleasure guy for me. I like his style .

I am in the minority but I like seeing them win and hope they do so each time they play.
- Robio

Yeah and my point to Makita that on HB his view of Canucks being trash is the popular one yet he kept insisting we all overestimate the players and team.

I love to watch them win. I love to see the young players grow. I love when they make mistakes and learn from their mistakes.
- manvanfan

According to Makita that development isn't possible at the NHL level.

Why his truth was that players like Stecher and Hutton are fringe NHL types that don't belong and would not be claimed if put on waivers.

Yeah and my point to Makita that on HB his view of Canucks being trash is the popular one yet he kept insisting we all overestimate the players and team.
- Nuck4U

Did he call them trash?

We have to face the facts we have finished in the bottom 3 of 4 years.

Would Canucks win a cup with Bo as the top center? Very unlikely . If Bo was your third best center you would have a better chance don't you think?

On D if you have Edler Tanev as top pair followed by Stecher Hutton you are probably finishing bottom 10

A top pairing Dahlin and ? with Tanev Edler second pair could be much better.

He never called them trash , he said you are over rating them.

According to Makita that development isn't possible at the NHL level.

Why his truth was that players like Stecher and Hutton are fringe NHL types that don't belong and would not be claimed if put on waivers.
- Nuck4U

Ya know I don't know if they would be or not. I'm not in the NHL. I don't have a role on an NHL team. Have seen players with less upside and not as good claimed. Cough "Corrado" cough.

That would be why I listen to mainstream media that are involved in the game as their jobs. Not writers like Botchford but actual people like Mckenzie and Button.

Even the best young players can still develop parts of their games in the NHL.

I was not criticizing them and I do enjoy watching every game.
- VANTEL

I see you needed help and fixed that for you.

According to Makita that development isn't possible at the NHL level.

Why his truth was that players like Stecher and Hutton are fringe NHL types that don't belong and would not be claimed if put on waivers.
- Nuck4U

They would both be claimed, as would everyone on the D except for Biega. They might not all be stars, but they would all find a spot in say...Montreal (man the Habs look awful)

They would both be claimed, as would everyone on the D except for Biega. They might not all be stars, but they would all find a spot in say...Montreal (man the Habs look awful)
- Robio

What about Arizona, OEL, Goligoski, Demers, Hjlarmarsson (however you spell it).
Winless.

They would both be claimed, as would everyone on the D except for Biega. They might not all be stars, but they would all find a spot in say...Montreal (man the Habs look awful)
- Robio

I know Holm when he was here looked brutal . Looked like a fish out of water but he had his moments on offense. He has improved a lot with the Comets and may be someone to keep an eye on in a year or two.