Can we ignore Loui Eriksson for the next 5 years like he never was here?
- VANTEL

30 goals soon!!

30 goals soon!!
- LordHumungous

Over the next 5 years maybe

Over the next 5 years maybe
- VANTEL

lol

You've never needed an invitation
- belcherbd

I missed that one.

Oh, you're going to get it now. Top of my poop list.

Over the next 5 years maybe
- VANTEL

What exactly do they do with him when he's back? Some injuries will probably occur by then but if the team plays with this sort of chemistry when he gets back. Going to sit a 6 million dollar a year player? I know you would. Sit Gagner? A lot of money sitting in the press box.

What exactly do they do with him when he's back? Some injuries will probably occur by then but if the team plays with this sort of chemistry when he gets back. Going to sit a 6 million dollar a year player? I know you would. Sit Gagner? A lot of money sitting in the press box.
- manvanfan

Maybe he will get a skin infection like Hossa.


Bennng is going to have to get creative.

Maybe he will get a skin infection like Hossa.


Bennng is going to have to get creative.
- VANTEL

Maybe he'll get incurable lice in that big fawking mane of his and go on LTIR

Maybe he will get a skin infection like Hossa.


Bennng is going to have to get creative.
- VANTEL

and of course he has a NTC for 3 more years.

What exactly do they do with him when he's back? Some injuries will probably occur by then but if the team plays with this sort of chemistry when he gets back. Going to sit a 6 million dollar a year player? I know you would. Sit Gagner? A lot of money sitting in the press box.
- manvanfan

Wouldnt that be nice? Gagner's been fairly useless - in reality, they'd probably sit Burmy

Hey guys... I did a thing.

I wanted to do a quick check on possession numbers to see why Green is playing certain players so much (Sutter, for instance, led all forwards in even strength ice time last night but he has the worst possession numbers of any forward on the team).

I know a lot of you hate analytics, but stay with me. While I think Corsi is a relatively decent way to measure possession, I don't like it on it's own as it doesn't account for zone starts. So I took a look at the corsi numbers for the Canucks, but I adjusted them for Offensive Zone Start percentages and Face Off Win percentage. Theoretically, if you are starting most of your shifts in the ozone and gaining possession off the face off, you should have a good corsi percentage.

Here's the formula: Corsi%/(5on5 Ozone Start % + 5on5 FO %)

For the forwards, I used the 5on5 FO% for the regular centre on each line (Bo, Henrik, Sutter, Burmi). For Dmen, I used the team 5on5 FO%.

Here is what I found:

Name Adjusted Possession
Tanev 55.8
Sutter 51.6
Dorsett 51.1
Gagner 50.4
Stecher 50.0
Granlund 49.1
Burmi 48.0
Hutton 48.0
Horvat 48.0
Sven 47.4
Daniel 46.8
Del Zotto 46.8
Henrik 46.7
Virtanen 45.9
Boeser 45.1
Pouliot 44.7
Vanek 43.0
Guddy 41.9

Tanev, we all know, is a possession machine and an analytics darling. Gudbranson, well he's got his intangibles.

The guys that can drive possession, independently of where they are starting the shift, are getting the most ice time at evens from Green. Last night, Sutter, Granlund, and Dorsett played 16:42, 16:32, and 14:50 respectively. The next highest forward at even strength was Bo with 12:28. This makes sense, as the Sutter line was matched up against Ovechkin last night. If they can continue to drive possession like this against the other team's star players, it should bode well for the Canucks moving forward.

By contrast, the Sedins got less than 10 mintues at even strength last night, with the majority of their starts coming in Washington's zone. They have the highest unadjusted corsi on the team but it would seem that they lose possession more often than not.

Gagner seems to be a bit of an outlier here. His numbers suggest he drives possession, but Green played him under 10 minutes at even strength last night. Still... I don't think he's as bad as some people think (although certainly not worth his contract at this point)

Anyway, just a little food for thought on your Friday morning.

/end essay

Hey guys... I did a thing.

I wanted to do a quick check on possession numbers to see why Green is playing certain players so much (Sutter, for instance, led all forwards in even strength ice time last night but he has the worst possession numbers of any forward on the team).

I know a lot of you hate analytics, but stay with me. While I think Corsi is a relatively decent way to measure possession, I don't like it on it's own as it doesn't account for zone starts. So I took a look at the corsi numbers for the Canucks, but I adjusted them for Offensive Zone Start percentages and Face Off Win percentage. Theoretically, if you are starting most of your shifts in the ozone and gaining possession off the face off, you should have a good corsi percentage.

Here's the formula: Corsi%/(5on5 Ozone Start % + 5on5 FO %)

For the forwards, I used the 5on5 FO% for the regular centre on each line (Bo, Henrik, Sutter, Burmi). For Dmen, I used the team 5on5 FO%.

Here is what I found:

Name Adjusted Possession
Tanev 55.8
Sutter 51.6
Dorsett 51.1
Gagner 50.4
Stecher 50.0
Granlund 49.1
Burmi 48.0
Hutton 48.0
Horvat 48.0
Sven 47.4
Daniel 46.8
Del Zotto 46.8
Henrik 46.7
Virtanen 45.9
Boeser 45.1
Pouliot 44.7
Vanek 43.0
Guddy 41.9

Tanev, we all know, is a possession machine and an analytics darling. Gudbranson, well he's got his intangibles.

The guys that can drive possession, independently of where they are starting the shift, are getting the most ice time at evens from Green. Last night, Sutter, Granlund, and Dorsett played 16:42, 16:32, and 14:50 respectively. The next highest forward at even strength was Bo with 12:28. This makes sense, as the Sutter line was matched up against Ovechkin last night. If they can continue to drive possession like this against the other team's star players, it should bode well for the Canucks moving forward.

By contrast, the Sedins got less than 10 mintues at even strength last night, with the majority of their starts coming in Washington's zone. They have the highest unadjusted corsi on the team but it would seem that they lose possession more often than not.

Gagner seems to be a bit of an outlier here. His numbers suggest he drives possession, but Green played him under 10 minutes at even strength last night. Still... I don't think he's as bad as some people think (although certainly not worth his contract at this point)

Anyway, just a little food for thought on your Friday morning.

/end essay
- nucks_94

Great Blog

Wouldnt that be nice? Gagner's been fairly useless - in reality, they'd probably sit Burmy
- Brooks_Light

Burmy is playing center currently. Gagner can but they haven't used him there.

Hey guys... I did a thing.

I wanted to do a quick check on possession numbers to see why Green is playing certain players so much (Sutter, for instance, led all forwards in even strength ice time last night but he has the worst possession numbers of any forward on the team).

I know a lot of you hate analytics, but stay with me. While I think Corsi is a relatively decent way to measure possession, I don't like it on it's own as it doesn't account for zone starts. So I took a look at the corsi numbers for the Canucks, but I adjusted them for Offensive Zone Start percentages and Face Off Win percentage. Theoretically, if you are starting most of your shifts in the ozone and gaining possession off the face off, you should have a good corsi percentage.

Here's the formula: Corsi%/(5on5 Ozone Start % + 5on5 FO %)

For the forwards, I used the 5on5 FO% for the regular centre on each line (Bo, Henrik, Sutter, Burmi). For Dmen, I used the team 5on5 FO%.

Here is what I found:

Name Adjusted Possession
Tanev 55.8
Sutter 51.6
Dorsett 51.1
Gagner 50.4
Stecher 50.0
Granlund 49.1
Burmi 48.0
Hutton 48.0
Horvat 48.0
Sven 47.4
Daniel 46.8
Del Zotto 46.8
Henrik 46.7
Virtanen 45.9
Boeser 45.1
Pouliot 44.7
Vanek 43.0
Guddy 41.9

Tanev, we all know, is a possession machine and an analytics darling. Gudbranson, well he's got his intangibles.

The guys that can drive possession, independently of where they are starting the shift, are getting the most ice time at evens from Green. Last night, Sutter, Granlund, and Dorsett played 16:42, 16:32, and 14:50 respectively. The next highest forward at even strength was Bo with 12:28. This makes sense, as the Sutter line was matched up against Ovechkin last night. If they can continue to drive possession like this against the other team's star players, it should bode well for the Canucks moving forward.

By contrast, the Sedins got less than 10 mintues at even strength last night, with the majority of their starts coming in Washington's zone. They have the highest unadjusted corsi on the team but it would seem that they lose possession more often than not.

Gagner seems to be a bit of an outlier here. His numbers suggest he drives possession, but Green played him under 10 minutes at even strength last night. Still... I don't think he's as bad as some people think (although certainly not worth his contract at this point)

Anyway, just a little food for thought on your Friday morning.

/end essay
- nucks_94

CAROL - this dudes trying to steal your thunder

just kidden man, really interesting stuff, thanks

umm.....no! Just because something happens once doesn't make it the norm.

It is nice to see a coach who's not afraid to play young players. Amazing what happens when you don't rely on old slow players. Hello Willie.
- LeftCoaster

Is everyone drinking the kool-aid right now? I dont know where this "play the kids" narrative is coming from. Sven seems to be the only young player getting noticeably more icetime and some here dont consider him that young

Bo is averaging 2 seconds more per game than last season
Granlund 5 seconds more
Boeser nearly a minute less than last year
Virtanen 13 seconds less per game than last year

Basically, the 5 minute drop in icetime that the Sedin's are seeing is transferring over to Dorsett who has seen a 5 minute/game jump. Sedins still have the largest PP TOI, which has increased from last year

Burmy is playing center currently. Gagner can but they haven't used him there.
- manvanfan

Sooooo go with the LTIR lice thing??

Is everyone drinking the kool-aid right now? I dont know where this "play the kids" narrative is coming from. Sven seems to be the only young player getting noticeably more icetime and some here dont consider him that young

Bo is averaging 2 seconds more per game than last season
Granlund 5 seconds more
Boeser nearly a minute less than last year
Virtanen 13 seconds less per game than last year

Basically, the 5 minute drop in icetime that the Sedin's are seeing is transferring over to Dorsett who has seen a 5 minute/game jump. Sedins still have the largest PP TOI, which has increased from last year
- WhiteLie

He's all confused. Team's doing well.

Sooooo go with the LTIR lice thing??
- Brooks_Light

If he waved his NTC. I think Caorlina would take him. Wouldn't get much in return but oh well.

Great Blog

- VanHockeyGuy

needed my glasses...

CAROL - this dudes trying to steal your thunder

just kidden man, really interesting stuff, thanks
- Brooks_Light

Thanks!

Just realized is screwed up when I said the Sedins were losing possession. I should have just said that their possession numbers are inflated due to their zone starts.

Can we ignore Loui Eriksson for the next 5 years like he never was here?
- VANTEL

Done.

Lind, Gadjovich, Dahlen, Gaudette in Utica next year maybe even EP, Palmu and OJ too.
- Brooks_Light

Lind either plays in the show or the Dub, no ahl for him til his junior team is done.

Hey guys... I did a thing.

I wanted to do a quick check on possession numbers to see why Green is playing certain players so much (Sutter, for instance, led all forwards in even strength ice time last night but he has the worst possession numbers of any forward on the team).

I know a lot of you hate analytics, but stay with me. While I think Corsi is a relatively decent way to measure possession, I don't like it on it's own as it doesn't account for zone starts. So I took a look at the corsi numbers for the Canucks, but I adjusted them for Offensive Zone Start percentages and Face Off Win percentage. Theoretically, if you are starting most of your shifts in the ozone and gaining possession off the face off, you should have a good corsi percentage.

Here's the formula: Corsi%/(5on5 Ozone Start % + 5on5 FO %)

For the forwards, I used the 5on5 FO% for the regular centre on each line (Bo, Henrik, Sutter, Burmi). For Dmen, I used the team 5on5 FO%.

Here is what I found:

Name Adjusted Possession
Tanev 55.8
Sutter 51.6
Dorsett 51.1
Gagner 50.4
Stecher 50.0
Granlund 49.1
Burmi 48.0
Hutton 48.0
Horvat 48.0
Sven 47.4
Daniel 46.8
Del Zotto 46.8
Henrik 46.7
Virtanen 45.9
Boeser 45.1
Pouliot 44.7
Vanek 43.0
Guddy 41.9

Tanev, we all know, is a possession machine and an analytics darling. Gudbranson, well he's got his intangibles.

The guys that can drive possession, independently of where they are starting the shift, are getting the most ice time at evens from Green. Last night, Sutter, Granlund, and Dorsett played 16:42, 16:32, and 14:50 respectively. The next highest forward at even strength was Bo with 12:28. This makes sense, as the Sutter line was matched up against Ovechkin last night. If they can continue to drive possession like this against the other team's star players, it should bode well for the Canucks moving forward.

By contrast, the Sedins got less than 10 mintues at even strength last night, with the majority of their starts coming in Washington's zone. They have the highest unadjusted corsi on the team but it would seem that they lose possession more often than not.

Gagner seems to be a bit of an outlier here. His numbers suggest he drives possession, but Green played him under 10 minutes at even strength last night. Still... I don't think he's as bad as some people think (although certainly not worth his contract at this point)

Anyway, just a little food for thought on your Friday morning.

/end essay
- nucks_94

That is worth a "Thanks Nucks_94"

Hey guys... I did a thing.

I wanted to do a quick check on possession numbers to see why Green is playing certain players so much (Sutter, for instance, led all forwards in even strength ice time last night but he has the worst possession numbers of any forward on the team).

I know a lot of you hate analytics, but stay with me. While I think Corsi is a relatively decent way to measure possession, I don't like it on it's own as it doesn't account for zone starts. So I took a look at the corsi numbers for the Canucks, but I adjusted them for Offensive Zone Start percentages and Face Off Win percentage. Theoretically, if you are starting most of your shifts in the ozone and gaining possession off the face off, you should have a good corsi percentage.

Here's the formula: Corsi%/(5on5 Ozone Start % + 5on5 FO %)

For the forwards, I used the 5on5 FO% for the regular centre on each line (Bo, Henrik, Sutter, Burmi). For Dmen, I used the team 5on5 FO%.

Here is what I found:

Name Adjusted Possession
Tanev 55.8
Sutter 51.6
Dorsett 51.1
Gagner 50.4
Stecher 50.0
Granlund 49.1
Burmi 48.0
Hutton 48.0
Horvat 48.0
Sven 47.4
Daniel 46.8
Del Zotto 46.8
Henrik 46.7
Virtanen 45.9
Boeser 45.1
Pouliot 44.7
Vanek 43.0
Guddy 41.9

Tanev, we all know, is a possession machine and an analytics darling. Gudbranson, well he's got his intangibles.

The guys that can drive possession, independently of where they are starting the shift, are getting the most ice time at evens from Green. Last night, Sutter, Granlund, and Dorsett played 16:42, 16:32, and 14:50 respectively. The next highest forward at even strength was Bo with 12:28. This makes sense, as the Sutter line was matched up against Ovechkin last night. If they can continue to drive possession like this against the other team's star players, it should bode well for the Canucks moving forward.

By contrast, the Sedins got less than 10 mintues at even strength last night, with the majority of their starts coming in Washington's zone. They have the highest unadjusted corsi on the team but it would seem that they lose possession more often than not.

Gagner seems to be a bit of an outlier here. His numbers suggest he drives possession, but Green played him under 10 minutes at even strength last night. Still... I don't think he's as bad as some people think (although certainly not worth his contract at this point)

Anyway, just a little food for thought on your Friday morning.

/end essay
- nucks_94

I endorse this post

#analytics

Hey guys... I did a thing.

Anyway, just a little food for thought on your Friday morning.

/end essay
- nucks_94

It almost doesn't matter how the team wins the game as long as they keep doing it.

Shot's sure don't equal goals either. Edmonton and Montreal highest shot totals and lowest goal totals.

It almost doesn't matter how the team wins the game as long as they keep doing it.

Shot's sure don't equal goals either. Edmonton and Montreal highest shot totals and lowest goal totals.
- manvanfan

I wish I had access to some of the data that Mike Kelly uses, as I agree more with his stance on where the shots are coming from. He has a ranking of shots from the slots (shot quality), which I think is more valuable to track than all shots

Montreal Canadiens:
3rd in shot volume
27th in shot quality
31st in goals

Quality > Quantity.

— Mike Kelly (@MikeKellyNHL) October 21, 2017