Yotes have a very solid core of talents though. 100/100 times the Yotes over the Wings roster.
- DutchSenators

Definitely.

Yotes have a very solid core of talents though. 100/100 times the Yotes over the Wings roster.
- DutchSenators

Definitely.
- gergeswillems

*aren't doing as bad*

My bad.

I've been thinking of a possible 3 way trade between EDM/CAR/DET...

It would have been centered around Rask, Edmonton 1st to Detroit, RNH, Kronwall, and Detroit 1st to Carolina, Faulk and (Tatar OR Nyquist) to Edmonton.

Carolina would probably ask for a slightly more (a prospect, possibly from EDM), but the value is there for each team.

Each team addresses a need (EDM=defense and RW top 6 depth; Detroit=cap space, 2C center; Carolina=solid 1Cb (upgrade over Rask*) and a solid 1st round draft pick for deepening/improving forward prospect options).

One key thing here is to look at what each team loses and how it can be manageable. Detroit can lose one of Tatar or Nyquist with Mantha developing into a stellar top 6 option. EDM might lose depth down the middle, but the team will be more well balanced. Carolina can cover up the depth on the right side with how stellar their depth is when it comes to defense. Kronwall would definitely help mentor the young defensive core of Carolina for two years. Then he is gone.

Thoughts? I'm projecting EDM's 1st to be around 13-16 and DET's 1st to be around 8-12.
- EdmHockeyMan

Nice try but no point for the Wings to do this. Trading this 1st round pick with this garbage team would be idiotic for the Wings to do. They don't need a 2nd line center they need a star 1st line center as Z is almost done and i see Larkin as a #2 guy like Kessler. You think Oilers need defense...Wings have by far the worst defense in the league and not much coming in terms of prospects to boot. I would trade this defense for any other nhl teams defense in a heartbeat.

Nice try but no point for the Wings to do this. Trading this 1st round pick with this garbage team would be idiotic for the Wings to do. They don't need a 2nd line center they need a star 1st line center as Z is almost done and i see Larkin as a #2 guy like Kessler. You think Oilers need defense...Wings have by far the worst defense in the league and not much coming in terms of prospects to boot. I would trade this defense for any other nhl teams defense in a heartbeat.
- dcz28

Interesting perspective.
However, I think that every DET fan is just rattled from that 10-1 loss and the current 7 game losing streak. Prior to that, DET was doing alright. They just need to get their poop together.

But from what I have seen from Larkin this season, he definitely is looking more and more ready to take the reins of the 1st line once HZ's time is up. From what I've seen from him this season, it seems to me that he is looking great out there. Looking back at his stats, it looks like he is having a career year. He is only 21 as well!

Sure the team's defense isn't that good and they would definitely benefit from acquiring or drafting a #1 defender (Dahlin????? :D ) but contingent upon prospect development, in possibly 1-2 years, DET's blueline might poise itself as definitely a bright spot for DET. A young corps consisting of Cholowski, Hronek, and possibly Saarijarvi. Top that off with Dekeyser (who seems to be having a down year) and it looks solid to me. Hopefully, for your team's sake, they develop properly.

Even if the desire for a #1 defender exceeds any other need, acquiring EDM's 1st in that proposal will still see you likely drafting around the 12-15 mark (I don't believe EDM will make the playoffs this year, too much inconsistency and injuries are starting to pile up, couple that with Chia gutting our depth this prior offseason and also due to the results of the Reinhart trade biting us in the ass) in what is a draft very deep in fantastic defenders, so not really a loss unless you're aiming for Dahlin, in which the yotes or especially the sabres seem to have a closer eye on, not to mention I'm pretty sure DET will do still do decent this season unless Holland guts this team. So no need to burn more assets to acquire a #1 defender. Just some time (1-2 years; this could have been avoided had Holland not acted like a toddler managing an NHL team).

All in all, I'd say that these next two years should see DET adapt an offensive tempo and approach to their gameplan. Use your depth on the wings and possibly increased depth down the middle (Rask maybe... :D) in what looks (would look) like a damn good top 9 corps to the fullest of advantage for at possibly 1-2 years until your defensive prospects hopefully blossom. Not to mention you guys have a few really good forward prospects that could blossom during that timeline as well. Just don't screw it up or do any more damage...

Oh, this leads me to my final point. FIRE HOLLAND AND BLASHILL ALREADY! Those two imbeciles are destroying this team! Your team isn' that bad honestly, but those two need to go before they do any more damage. Sucks to see the mighty DET fall so far.

Lol Duff is so bad. Enuff with Duhhhhhhff

I appreciate your well thought out trade proposal. I don't want either Tatar or Nyquist on this team. I'm literally sick of both of them. But it's all about Dahlin now. We NEED Dahlin. BAD. We need to keep our lottery pick. Oilers will finish much higher than Detroit in the standings. McDavid alone guarantees this.
- gergeswillems

Ok. Losing two 2nd line wingers on a team with Mantha and ... that’s it for top six wingers outside Tatar and Nyquist. That would be crap unless we could get two top ten first round draft picks for them this year. Who would replace them?

Interesting perspective.
However, I think that every DET fan is just rattled from that 10-1 loss and the current 7 game losing streak. Prior to that, DET was doing alright. They just need to get their poop together.

But from what I have seen from Larkin this season, he definitely is looking more and more ready to take the reins of the 1st line once HZ's time is up. From what I've seen from him this season, it seems to me that he is looking great out there. Looking back at his stats, it looks like he is having a career year. He is only 21 as well!

Sure the team's defense isn't that good and they would definitely benefit from acquiring or drafting a #1 defender (Dahlin????? :D ) but contingent upon prospect development, in possibly 1-2 years, DET's blueline might poise itself as definitely a bright spot for DET. A young corps consisting of Cholowski, Hronek, and possibly Saarijarvi. Top that off with Dekeyser (who seems to be having a down year) and it looks solid to me. Hopefully, for your team's sake, they develop properly.

Even if the desire for a #1 defender exceeds any other need, acquiring EDM's 1st in that proposal will still see you likely drafting around the 12-15 mark (I don't believe EDM will make the playoffs this year, too much inconsistency and injuries are starting to pile up, couple that with Chia gutting our depth this prior offseason and also due to the results of the Reinhart trade biting us in the ass) in what is a draft very deep in fantastic defenders, so not really a loss unless you're aiming for Dahlin, in which the yotes or especially the sabres seem to have a closer eye on, not to mention I'm pretty sure DET will do still do decent this season unless Holland guts this team. So no need to burn more assets to acquire a #1 defender. Just some time (1-2 years; this could have been avoided had Holland not acted like a toddler managing an NHL team).

All in all, I'd say that these next two years should see DET adapt an offensive tempo and approach to their gameplan. Use your depth on the wings and possibly increased depth down the middle (Rask maybe... :D) in what looks (would look) like a damn good top 9 corps to the fullest of advantage for at possibly 1-2 years until your defensive prospects hopefully blossom. Not to mention you guys have a few really good forward prospects that could blossom during that timeline as well. Just don't screw it up or do any more damage...

Oh, this leads me to my final point. FIRE HOLLAND AND BLASHILL ALREADY! Those two imbeciles are destroying this team! Your team isn' that bad honestly, but those two need to go before they do any more damage. Sucks to see the mighty DET fall so far.
- EdmHockeyMan

Larkin is looking like a 1b center like RyJo. Which I’ll take. If you get him on that top line with Mantha and another top six scoring winger, we have a lot of potential for the second line to be a 1b situation. If Rasmussen and Svechnikov hit their potential, we have the starts of a great young top six for the 2020 time frame.

Blank - Larkin - Mantha
Svechnikov - Rasmussen - Blank

You could fill those with cheap UFAs or people like Bertuzzi, Frk, AA, or Nyquist/Tatar.

Ok. Losing two 2nd line wingers on a team with Mantha and ... that’s it for top six wingers outside Tatar and Nyquist. That would be crap unless we could get two top ten first round draft picks for them this year. Who would replace them?
- RafiDRW

I don't care. I'm sick of them. It's not like we're winning with them anyway.

Better sell more pizza’s because they are gonna need the cash to make up for all the empty seats at LCA when the get home. What a joke of a team.
- Itsjustarash

Thanks Genius... for pointing that out. How insightful. Please do enlighten us with such amazing posts.

They have the worst top 6 d in the league. This team is FAR from being competitive.

Yotes have a very solid core of talents though. 100/100 times the Yotes over the Wings roster.
- DutchSenators

Ya Yotes have better futures. Hopefully Det can ride out the storm and retain their young talents. No clue on whats happening with the Larkin Extension but hopefully they can find the money. I think its time to play the heck out of Mrazek, as he could fetch a decent deadline price and the wings can afford him with Howard still on the books. I am taking the fact that Holland has no contract extension as a sign of things to come.

Larkin is looking like a 1b center like RyJo. Which I’ll take. If you get him on that top line with Mantha and another top six scoring winger, we have a lot of potential for the second line to be a 1b situation. If Rasmussen and Svechnikov hit their potential, we have the starts of a great young top six for the 2020 time frame.

Blank - Larkin - Mantha
Svechnikov - Rasmussen - Blank

You could fill those with cheap UFAs or people like Bertuzzi, Frk, AA, or Nyquist/Tatar.
- RafiDRW

Assuming they trade Green and Mrazek, Thats 10M currently on the Cap (+3M current cap space), would it be enough to keep AA, Frk, Larkin, Mantha, backup G??? I'm hoping they can reach a long term deal with Larkin, and they might not have enough left to keep the others, at least long term. How has Dekeyser been playing this year?

Assuming they trade Green and Mrazek, Thats 10M currently on the Cap (+3M current cap space), would it be enough to keep AA, Frk, Larkin, Mantha, backup G??? I'm hoping they can reach a long term deal with Larkin, and they might not have enough left to keep the others, at least long term. How has Dekeyser been playing this year?
- bikeguy99

Dekeyser is a steaming pile of dog poop.

I don't care. I'm sick of them. It's not like we're winning with them anyway.
- gergeswillems

That’s a stupid answer. If we trade both of them we might get s first in 2019 and a second in 2018 for both of them. I’d want to trade the player that gets us s first next year. Keep the other.

Assuming they trade Green and Mrazek, Thats 10M currently on the Cap (+3M current cap space), would it be enough to keep AA, Frk, Larkin, Mantha, backup G??? I'm hoping they can reach a long term deal with Larkin, and they might not have enough left to keep the others, at least long term. How has Dekeyser been playing this year?
- bikeguy99

Yes.

Interesting perspective.
However, I think that every DET fan is just rattled from that 10-1 loss and the current 7 game losing streak. Prior to that, DET was doing alright. They just need to get their poop together.

But from what I have seen from Larkin this season, he definitely is looking more and more ready to take the reins of the 1st line once HZ's time is up. From what I've seen from him this season, it seems to me that he is looking great out there. Looking back at his stats, it looks like he is having a career year. He is only 21 as well!

Sure the team's defense isn't that good and they would definitely benefit from acquiring or drafting a #1 defender (Dahlin????? :D ) but contingent upon prospect development, in possibly 1-2 years, DET's blueline might poise itself as definitely a bright spot for DET. A young corps consisting of Cholowski, Hronek, and possibly Saarijarvi. Top that off with Dekeyser (who seems to be having a down year) and it looks solid to me. Hopefully, for your team's sake, they develop properly.

Even if the desire for a #1 defender exceeds any other need, acquiring EDM's 1st in that proposal will still see you likely drafting around the 12-15 mark (I don't believe EDM will make the playoffs this year, too much inconsistency and injuries are starting to pile up, couple that with Chia gutting our depth this prior offseason and also due to the results of the Reinhart trade biting us in the ass) in what is a draft very deep in fantastic defenders, so not really a loss unless you're aiming for Dahlin, in which the yotes or especially the sabres seem to have a closer eye on, not to mention I'm pretty sure DET will do still do decent this season unless Holland guts this team. So no need to burn more assets to acquire a #1 defender. Just some time (1-2 years; this could have been avoided had Holland not acted like a toddler managing an NHL team).

All in all, I'd say that these next two years should see DET adapt an offensive tempo and approach to their gameplan. Use your depth on the wings and possibly increased depth down the middle (Rask maybe... :D) in what looks (would look) like a damn good top 9 corps to the fullest of advantage for at possibly 1-2 years until your defensive prospects hopefully blossom. Not to mention you guys have a few really good forward prospects that could blossom during that timeline as well. Just don't screw it up or do any more damage...

Oh, this leads me to my final point. FIRE HOLLAND AND BLASHILL ALREADY! Those two imbeciles are destroying this team! Your team isn' that bad honestly, but those two need to go before they do any more damage. Sucks to see the mighty DET fall so far.
- EdmHockeyMan

This isn't about the Montreal games for me, it goes back to even before last season started. This team is poorly built with a lot of overpaid mediocre (or poopty) players. Sure they have some decent young forwards but on defense there is very little there even in prospects. Hronek seems to be decent but hard to say where he will slot in the NHL. Not a fan of Cholowski at all but he is doing good in juniors this season compared to what he was doing in college. Still i don't see him as the top pair stud they desperately need. Hickets isn't doing that much in GR this season and Saarijarvi can't even make a struggling AHL team and is in the ECHL as far as i know.

This team isn't going anywhere but the bottom. Sure they could do a bit better if they fired Blashill but still not a good team. Even the players know this isn't a good team by this part of a Kronwall quote " We can't allow that to happen, we're not that good of a team, with that much talent, to take the foot off the gas and just kind of cruise along."

Wings need to finish low to get the top end talent they need especially on defense since the last guy that had any kind of impact they drafted on defense is Kronwall. Wings seem to be able to find decent/good forwards but their drafting on defense has been horrible for a long time. I'm pretty sure the Wings pick will be higher (pre-lottery) than the Oilers which to me means they would have to be nuts to trade it. They won't catch Buffalo or Coyotes but they still need as good a chance as they can to get that top pick since the teams that finish last for some reason rarely end up with the top pick unless it's the Oilers.

That’s a stupid answer. If we trade both of them we might get s first in 2019 and a second in 2018 for both of them. I’d want to trade the player that gets us s first next year. Keep the other.
- RafiDRW

Don't be stupid. No one is giving up a 1st for either of these guys. It doesn't matter anyway. Holland won't trade either one of them.

Larkin is looking like a 1b center like RyJo. Which I’ll take. If you get him on that top line with Mantha and another top six scoring winger, we have a lot of potential for the second line to be a 1b situation. If Rasmussen and Svechnikov hit their potential, we have the starts of a great young top six for the 2020 time frame.

Blank - Larkin - Mantha
Svechnikov - Rasmussen - Blank

You could fill those with cheap UFAs or people like Bertuzzi, Frk, AA, or Nyquist/Tatar.
- RafiDRW

Svechnikov is doing horrible in GR so far this season with only 4 points in 17 games. Rasmussen is basically doing about the same as last year which is not really what you would want from a guy that big playing against kids. He should be dominating this year but he isn't which to me is cause for some concern on his potential in the NHL. I saw him more as a 3rd or 4th line guy and his season in junior so far has done nothing to change my mind on him.

Svechnikov is doing horrible in GR so far this season with only 4 points in 17 games. Rasmussen is basically doing about the same as last year which is not really what you would want from a guy that big playing against kids. He should be dominating this year but he isn't which to me is cause for some concern on his potential in the NHL. I saw him more as a 3rd or 4th line guy and his season in junior so far has done nothing to change my mind on him.
- dcz28

Could've drafted Chychrun and Liljegren. Oh well.

Svechnikov is doing horrible in GR so far this season with only 4 points in 17 games. Rasmussen is basically doing about the same as last year which is not really what you would want from a guy that big playing against kids. He should be dominating this year but he isn't which to me is cause for some concern on his potential in the NHL. I saw him more as a 3rd or 4th line guy and his season in junior so far has done nothing to change my mind on him.
- dcz28

I’m just trying to be optimistic.