Well, let's just use Weise on PP2 as an example. Is that the main reason that the team has struggled? Certainly not. Is it something that could be better served by giving a different player his spot? I think so, so why not change it? Just because something is not a major issue doesn't mean it can't be addressed, because little things can pile up.

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This.
- jmatchett383

On the other hand, rearranging the deck chairs on the Titanic may have given some folks a different view but in the bigger picture was pretty much a waste of time.

When I'm trying to "right a ship" I always start with the big stuff and work my way down the list. My wife, on the other hand, tackles the low hanging fruit in the name of "visible progress."

On the other hand, rearranging the deck chairs on the Titanic may have given some folks a different view but in the bigger picture was pretty much a waste of time.

When I'm trying to "right a ship" I always start with the big stuff and work my way down the list.
- Scoob

I agree. I really do. But if you're trying to right the ship and can also fix small things that won't hinder you from fixing bigger things, why not do so?

I missed Rubstov's goal. How'd it look?

eh a few people on here have ripped him due to his fancy stats.
- nastyflyergirl

That's been done by those who have no clue in how to properly use analytics. They judge every player from the same high perch that they judge every NHL player instead of considering the entire situation that the player plays in. Hagg ideally should be breaking in in a limited 3rd pair role instead he's been used in a much bigger role defensively. Due to the makeup of the remainder of the Flyers defense. Which goes back to the whole reasoning why they wanted to limit the number of young defenseman in the top 6.

I agree. I really do. But if you're trying to right the ship and can also fix small things that won't hinder you from fixing bigger things, why not do so?
- jmatchett383

I don't disagree. Heck, shuffling the deck chairs would help keep some of the folks here quiet for a minute. Until they start complaining that there's too much shuffling and not enough time given for chemistry building. lol

I missed Rubstov's goal. How'd it look?
- jmatchett383

The puck crossed the line.

Right or wrong, a lot of talk about blaming G and V.

They are pros and all yeah, but what the hell are they supposed to lead? They are getting points, and this organization has put out a sack of poop lineup for far too many years.

You’re leading the ewoks gliders in against imperial destroyers.

Your last 3/4 coaches were complete noobs in Stevens, Berube and Hak. How many piss poor trades or FA signings can we name off during that time? Far too many.

Organization yet again chose to “re tool” instead of rebuild. Number one problem in my eyes is the management of the kids, and an obsession with vets who are horrendous. Hak and Hex are fully at fault for that.

G is the current Sundin. That’s just sad really.

I don't disagree. Heck, shuffling the deck chairs would help keep some of the folks here quiet for a minute. Until they start complaining that there's too much shuffling and not enough time given for chemistry building. lol
- Scoob

Exactly.

You damage your credibility with the tone of your post here. There aren't many choices available to the coach. It's not defending a hill, it's looking at things objectively rather than just picking out a scapegoat.
- MJL

The only one damaging their credibility is you by defending Hak's decisions at all cost. You don't have a leg to stand on here bud, you couldn't tell me with a straight face Weise is the right decision for the power play. You're not being objective here.

That's been done by those who have no clue in how to properly use analytics. They judge every player from the same high perch that they judge every NHL player instead of considering the entire situation that the player plays in. Hagg ideally should be breaking in in a limited 3rd pair role instead he's been used in a much bigger role defensively. Due to the makeup of the remainder of the Flyers defense. Which goes back to the whole reasoning why they wanted to limit the number of young defenseman in the top 6.
- MJL

I hate to say this was proven when AMac was hurt and Gudas was suspended. Man did the D look worse. Those two vet return and thing stabilized a bit.

Organization yet again chose to “re tool” instead of rebuild. Number one problem in my eyes is the management of the kids, and an obsession with vets who are horrendous. Hak and Hex are fully at fault for that.

- flyer_nutter

In your view, specifically what should they do so we can call it a rebuild instead of a "re tool". How should they be managing the kids differently?

The only one damaging their credibility is you by defending Hak's decisions at all cost. You don't have a leg to stand on here bud, you couldn't tell me with a straight face Weise is the right decision for the power play. You're not being objective here.
- SimmerDown17

All teams have a vacant HC position starting tomorrow. How many NHL organizations hire Hak to fill that role.

Throw Lappy in that bunch.

In your view, specifically what should they do so we can call it a rebuild instead of a "re tool". How should they be managing the kids differently?
- MJL

You’re just looking to debate endlessly. It’s not even about the Flyers. Another time.

Love Flyersbuzz..

Patrick, Sanheim, Hagg havent played 50 games in the NHL and they are doing much, were they overvalued?

The only one damaging their credibility is you by defending Hak's decisions at all cost. You don't have a leg to stand on here bud, you couldn't tell me with a straight face Weise is the right decision for the power play. You're not being objective here.
- SimmerDown17

Here's his post

Fans keep wanting Hakstol to paint a Rembrandt with water color paints. I have no problem putting a big body to crash the net and work the corners on the 2nd PP unit. It's not as if they've been lighting it up.. Although I would personally choose Raffl over Weise.
- MJL

I don't understand which part you don't understand.

I'll translate for you: Coach is using a big body there on the second PP unit. MJL would prefer he used Raffle rather than Weise, but he gets that a big body is being used there.

The only one damaging their credibility is you by defending Hak's decisions at all cost. You don't have a leg to stand on here bud, you couldn't tell me with a straight face Weise is the right decision for the power play. You're not being objective here.
- SimmerDown17

In your replies to me on this subject you have not provided one single statement with any context in it that can actually be discussed about the issue. You have failed to actually address any of the points that I've made in rebuttal to you. Do you want to discuss it or not? I'd say not. You wouldn't like how that would turn out.

I hate to say this was proven when AMac was hurt and Gudas was suspended. Man did the D look worse. Those two vet return and thing stabilized a bit.
- dragonoffrost

AMac has been very good this year based on his on-ice play.

You’re just looking to debate endlessly. It’s not even about the Flyers. Another time.
- flyer_nutter

That's your new shtick but that is what we do here. It's a hockey discussion forum. I asked question specifically related to your points and the Flyers. So how is it not about the Flyers?

Love Flyersbuzz..

Patrick, Sanheim, Hagg havent played 50 games in the NHL and they are doing much, were they overvalued?
- opeth_pa

I think they should all be traded immediately for some tretiary veteran scorers.

All teams have a vacant HC position starting tomorrow. How many NHL organizations hire Hak to fill that role.

Throw Lappy in that bunch.
- flyer_nutter

You're asking an irrelevant question that you can't answer factually. It's a false narrative. It only took one team to hire Hakstol to make him an NHL head coach.

AMac has been very good this year based on his on-ice play.
- jmatchett383

The standards need to be raised. MacDonald minus one year has been a staple on the back end.

How many other NHL clubs would willingly do that? That’s the best a club with the financial resources and a pretty attractive destination an do? Really?

The standards need to be raised. MacDonald minus one year has been a staple on the back end.

How many other NHL clubs would willingly do that? That’s the best a club with the financial resources and a pretty attractive destination an do? Really?
- flyer_nutter

What standards? The guy's a bottom-3 defenseman who's had to play top-pair minutes based on the current roster. What exactly do you expect from him?

Why is it his fault that the Flyers offered him a 6-year deal? That's on the GM, not him.

Keep in mind I said I'm basing it on his play, not his contract.

The standards need to be raised. MacDonald minus one year has been a staple on the back end.

How many other NHL clubs would willingly do that? That’s the best a club with the financial resources and a pretty attractive destination an do? Really?
- flyer_nutter

All NHL teams at one point or another will use veteran role players to do a lot of the heavy lifting while developing younger player to hopefully take over bigger roles at some point. Pretty much a staple of team development.

We have established many times that coaches treat younger players differently than veterans and the primary tool for “teaching” a young player is through ice time.

The question is...is that Stone Age tool still particularly effective? Do young nhl players need to have their faces rubbed into the carpet after soiling the rug?
- StepfordSam

valid question. I think a young player making mistakes out of effort is different than something like taking bad penalties. if a kid makes a mistake I personally would show my confidence in him by putting him back out there. several bad penalties over 2 games warrants less ice time in my opinion but I would go right back to him tonight.

valid question. I think a young player making mistakes out of effort is different than something like taking bad penalties. if a kid makes a mistake I personally would show my confidence in him by putting him back out there. several bad penalties over 2 games warrants less ice time in my opinion but I would go right back to him tonight.
- nastyflyergirl

I'm just glad that we don't have 80+ games on Chris "I excel at nothing" VandeVelde this year.