Right or wrong, a lot of talk about blaming G and V.

They are pros and all yeah, but what the hell are they supposed to lead? They are getting points, and this organization has put out a sack of poop lineup for far too many years.

You’re leading the ewoks gliders in against imperial destroyers.

Your last 3/4 coaches were complete noobs in Stevens, Berube and Hak. How many piss poor trades or FA signings can we name off during that time? Far too many.

Organization yet again chose to “re tool” instead of rebuild. Number one problem in my eyes is the management of the kids, and an obsession with vets who are horrendous. Hak and Hex are fully at fault for that.

G is the current Sundin. That’s just sad really.
- flyer_nutter

but look how that turned out

speaking of, seeing the last Jedi Sunday after the Eagles game

valid question. I think a young player making mistakes out of effort is different than something like taking bad penalties. if a kid makes a mistake I personally would show my confidence in him by putting him back out there. several bad penalties over 2 games warrants less ice time in my opinion but I would go right back to him tonight.
- nastyflyergirl

I'm hoping this is exactly what happens. Was there a morning skate and did we see the lines from it?

but look how that turned out

speaking of, seeing the last Jedi Sunday after the Eagles game
- nastyflyergirl

Be sure to pull a Joe Russomano and spoil the biggest part of the movie here and chastise those of us whose lives have not allowed us to see it yet.

I think they should all be traded immediately for some tretiary veteran scorers.
- jmatchett383

please do, I aspire to obtain another Matt Ellison.

Be sure to pull a Joe Russomano and spoil the biggest part of the movie here and chastise those of us whose lives have not allowed us to see it yet.
- jmatchett383

got it

Seriously tho, I am glad I wasn't on HB that day

but look how that turned out

speaking of, seeing the last Jedi Sunday after the Eagles game
- nastyflyergirl

Im interested to see if you think the same scene in that film is the new "jumping the shark"

ugh

but look how that turned out

speaking of, seeing the last Jedi Sunday after the Eagles game
- nastyflyergirl

Ahhhh fail!

Those were walkers not destroyers. I saw Last Jedi too last week, wont ruin it for you. There is a Luke scene with some walkers that is wonderful.

The number # 2 picks of the previous two years were Eichel and Laine. Patrick is tied with Rinaldo 2 goals.
- PLindbergh31

Only you could somehow turn that into an insult about the Flyers.

Ahhhh fail!

Those were walkers not destroyers. I saw Last Jedi too last week, wont ruin it for you. There is a Luke scene with some walkers that is wonderful.
- flyer_nutter

i just meant overall the end results

I'm really excited.

All NHL teams at one point or another will use veteran role players to do a lot of the heavy lifting while developing younger player to hopefully take over bigger roles at some point. Pretty much a staple of team development.
- MJL

Very true. So since the veterans hextall chose are underperforming should we than blame hextall for the team's lack of performance?

What standards? The guy's a bottom-3 defenseman who's had to play top-pair minutes based on the current roster. What exactly do you expect from him?

Why is it his fault that the Flyers offered him a 6-year deal? That's on the GM, not him.

Keep in mind I said I'm basing it on his play, not his contract.
- jmatchett383

Its not about MacDonald by any means.

What I am getting at is their talent evaluation is far too often horrendous. I dont want to rehash all the moves, but playing LeCavalier and Umberger for as many games as they did. VDV. Weise. Fil. Playing Lehtera. Having MacDonald be your back end staple (minus one year). Continually rolling out with Lappy and his PK.

This is a retool, not a rebuild. A good number of the veterans the club has chosen to play to help guide these kids are turds. Hextall is good at drafting, but personally - a lot of his other decisions are quite questionable.

I wont address the goaltending, but how many other NHL clubs would willingly swap out their tandems tomorrow for ours.

This should have been a total rebuild (organization is too foolishly proud to do it), and it is what it is now. Hopefully it turns out, but their talent evaluation and usage past drafting is a big problem. As is coaching, and an inability to find some quality vets to help lead the kids.

Only you could somehow turn that into an insult about the Flyers.
- opeth_pa

We did pick a terrible time to get a #2 pick. Maybe this year will be the charm 😂

i just meant overall the end results

I'm really excited.
- nastyflyergirl

Some people didnt like the humor, I though it was great. In particular the milk scene.

Very true. So since the veterans hextall chose are underperforming should we than blame hextall for the team's lack of performance?
- Tfaehner

I think it's the combination that is put together that is the issue. I don't see the main reason for the teams performance being due to veterans under performing.

Some people didnt like the humor, I though it was great. In particular the milk scene.
- flyer_nutter

I'll admit when it comes to star wars and any Marvel/DC comic movies I don't need oscar like movies. I just need to be entertained.

You basically have G, V and Coots who are top 6 players.

Konec and Patrick who should get every opportunity to grow into such players instead of being giving chum change for minutes. These two have been forced to play with guys like Lehtera, Weise and Fil. With Leier for as hard as he tries. That is piss poor player development for two guys you should be absolutely trying to groom into top 6 staples.

On the back end you chose as an organization to have Andrew MacDonald be the veteran leader on the back end to help guide the kids. Thats just asinine.

I truly do hope those ticket sales continue to fall because I am starting to question Hextall. The drafting is great, but a lot of the rest is a disturbing trend.

I think it's the combination that is put together that is the issue. I don't see the main reason for the teams performance being due to veterans under performing.
- MJL

So if you had to list our 3 biggest problems that led to our current state of affairs what would they be ?

I'll admit when it comes to star wars and any Marvel/DC comic movies I don't need oscar like movies. I just need to be entertained.
- nastyflyergirl

Trying hard not to give any spoilers. I found one of the cities they visited to be kind of a waste of time. The overall story was kind of meh, along with some new "force elements" they added. The writing wasn't great.

Entertaining though.

(frank)ing yikes

You basically have G, V and Coots who are top 6 players.

Konec and Patrick who should get every opportunity to grow into such players instead of being giving chum change for minutes. These two have been forced to play with guys like Lehtera, Weise and Fil. With Leier for as had as he tries. That is piss poor player development for two guys you should be absolutely trying to groom into top 6 staples.

On the back end you chose as an organization to have Andrew MacDonald be the veteran leader on the back end to help guide the kids. Thats just asinine.

I truly do hope those ticket sales continue to fall because I am starting to question Hextall. The drafting is great, but a lot of the rest is a disturbing trend.
- flyer_nutter

While Simmonds is having a down year by his standards he is a top 6 player IMO.

I have no problem with 47 as a veteran leader.
Do I like he is getting first pair minutes, no I dont but I dont question his ability to be a solid influence.

If you want to point out that the bottom six, short of Raffl , is a clownshow then ill agree.

(frank)ing yikes
- Giroux_Is_God

No mercy. Past the drafting its a lot of _______.

In your replies to me on this subject you have not provided one single statement with any context in it that can actually be discussed about the issue. You have failed to actually address any of the points that I've made in rebuttal to you. Do you want to discuss it or not? I'd say not. You wouldn't like how that would turn out.

- MJL

Not worth my time. I don't have anything to say to someone who defends every move Hak makes. He's not infallible. You can try to have this high and mighty attitude but you're not bringing any meaningful argument to the table. Just arguing to argue. Good day sir.

Its not about MacDonald by any means.

What I am getting at is their talent evaluation is far too often horrendous. I dont want to rehash all the moves, but playing LeCavalier and Umberger for as many games as they did. VDV. Weise. Fil. Playing Lehtera. Having MacDonald be your back end staple (minus one year). Continually rolling out with Lappy and his PK.


- flyer_nutter

Here is what you never admit to. Last year you and others repeatedly complained about Vandevelde and Bellemare playing too much. Where are they now? They're gone. Replaced by Laughton and Leier. Who did they protect in the expansion draft? Laughton or Bellemare. The Flyers have played Lehtera when there have been injuries. You and others are far too focused on the the Lehtera's and Weise's of the club when that's not the issue. The issue is that the younger players simply aren';t ready to take a bigger bite to carry this team. When they are, the veterans we'll see less ice time and or be removed from the roster. You don't recognize that happening or just conveniently ignore it because it doesn't fit your narrative.

This is a retool, not a rebuild. A good number of the veterans the club has chosen to play to help guide these kids are turds. Hextall is good at drafting, but personally - a lot of his other decisions are quite questionable.

I wont address the goaltending, but how many other NHL clubs would willingly swap out their tandems tomorrow for ours.


- flyer_nutter

What is the difference between a rebuild and re tool?

You keep asking the wrong question about the goaltending? Your question is illogical because it is out of context. How many teams in the Flyers position of being a bubble team who has excellent young goaltenders in development would bring in Brian Elliott as a two year stop gap is really the question. The answer is most of them would.

This should have been a total rebuild (organization is too foolishly proud to do it), and it is what it is now. Hopefully it turns out, but their talent evaluation and usage past drafting is a big problem. As is coaching, and an inability to find some quality vets to help lead the kids.
- flyer_nutter

How would they have done a total rebuild in your view? What would've have satisfied you? Hextall has made a number of quality moves bringing in veteran players as stop gaps. It's hyperbole to state it has been garbage and a big problem when the reality is that it has been a mixed bag of moves that have worked out and some that haven't.

So if you had to list our 3 biggest problems that led to our current state of affairs what would they be ?
- Tfaehner

I know you were asking MJL but Ill bite.

1. Secondary scoring: No reason to think Simmonds would be as off as he has been this season. Also hope that TK would take a step forward.

2. Growing pains with youth: Patrick, Leir, Hagg and Sanheim are all rookies. TK is a second year player. Ghost a 3rd year player.

3. Lack of any definable jam-style-whatever: They play like oatmeal. They arent fast but arent slow. Arent physical. Arent overly skilled but with G , Jake, Coots, Ghost they have skill. Are sort of small. They just play like oatmeal.

You basically have G, V and Coots who are top 6 players.

Konec and Patrick who should get every opportunity to grow into such players instead of being giving chum change for minutes. These two have been forced to play with guys like Lehtera, Weise and Fil. With Leier for as hard as he tries. That is piss poor player development for two guys you should be absolutely trying to groom into top 6 staples.

On the back end you chose as an organization to have Andrew MacDonald be the veteran leader on the back end to help guide the kids. Thats just asinine.

I truly do hope those ticket sales continue to fall because I am starting to question Hextall. The drafting is great, but a lot of the rest is a disturbing trend.
- flyer_nutter

This post is a contradiction with everything you state. How would the Flyers get more legitimate top 6 players in the lineup for the younger players to play with? They'd have to trade for them, or sign them as free agents which would mean less ice time and spots for the young players. Yet you repeatedly state that the Flyers should do a rebuild! Which is it?

Provorov doesn't seem to have any issue playing with MacDonald and has repeatedly praised him for his leadership as a veteran partner.