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- Scoob

My giftcard to 1234 ScoobALoob Ave was a return to sender.

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The Flyers haven't done anything differently than the Leafs have. Babcock has played players such as Nylander on the 4th line and cut the ice time of young players at times. Go to the Leags blogs, the fans complain about it the same way. The big difference is their younger players are far more advanced than the Flyers young players are.
- MJL

They committed to a full and fast rebuild. They traded away veterans and kept a few hand picked ones got into the top 10 and got a few high end prospects. They than replenished veteran leadership through free agency without tying up their cap situation for the future. Not a lot different than what some of this forum has suggested. We have refused to fully commit.

If young players such as Patrick, Konecny, and Sanheim were able to take a big step forward in their maturity as players, what effect would that have on the Flyers as a team?

Are we really comparing Babcock and Hakstol in any way though? Come on.
- flyer_nutter

Funny that you don't want to speak of a highly regarded coach that does the same processes that Hakstol does.

They committed to a full and fast rebuild. They traded away veterans and kept a few hand picked ones got into the top 10 and got a few high end prospects. They than replenished veteran leadership through free agency without tying up their cap situation for the future. Not a lot different than what some of this forum has suggested. We have refused to fully commit.
- Tfaehner

Disagree. They kept all of their better players, minus Schenn now - and basically just rolled out for a few years waiting for the draft picks to turn out.

They committed to a full and fast rebuild. They traded away veterans and kept a few hand picked ones got into the top 10 and got a few high end prospects. They than replenished veteran leadership through free agency without tying up their cap situation for the future. Not a lot different than what some of this forum has suggested. We have refused to fully commit.
- Tfaehner

Do you think the Flyers should go out and sign a player like Marleau? Their cap spending is at 80M and they have a number of players that need to be re-signed for next year.

If young players such as Patrick, Konecny, and Sanheim were able to take a big step forward in their maturity as players, what effect would that have on the Flyers as a team?
- MJL

Idk but we would find a way to make it unpleasant

Funny that you don't want to speak of a highly regarded coach that does the same processes that Hakstol does.
- dragonoffrost

No I am just not going to compare the two. Hakstol is a neanderthal compared to Babcock.

Im sure Babs has also benched one of his young guys for taking a poor penalty.

If young players such as Patrick, Konecny, and Sanheim were able to take a big step forward in their maturity as players, what effect would that have on the Flyers as a team?
- MJL

A little more consistency on defense and more scoring spread out throughout the lineup on offense.

Disagree. They kept all of their better players, minus Schenn now - and basically just rolled out for a few years waiting for the draft picks to turn out.
- flyer_nutter

I was referring to Toronto

Are we really comparing Babcock and Hakstol in any way though? Come on.
- flyer_nutter

No, what is being said is that the coach who many consider to be the best in the NHL frequently limits young players ice time and demotes them to the 4th line as a developmental tool.

Do you think the Flyers should go out and sign a player like Marleau? Their cap spending is at 80M and they have a number of players that need to be re-signed for next year.
- MJL

The leafs cleared out long expensive contracts and than signed marleau to a 3 year deal. Yes I would be completely okay with that. But you can't have 1 without the other.

No, what is being said is that the coach who many consider to be the best in the NHL frequently limits young players ice time and demotes them to the 4th line as a developmental tool.
- MJL

Coaching is measured on wins right ? That's what you've said before. So who is the best coach in the league ? Let's count cups first

A little more consistency on defense and more scoring spread out throughout the lineup on offense.
- hockeylover

I think it would make the Flyers a much better team. Now add maybe another player such as Lindblom when he is ready. It's a process.

The Flyers are where they are because of where the young players are in their development path, not because of the veterans. How the draft picks turn out is what is going to determine the Flyers future, not how Dale Weise and Jori Lehtera play.

Coaching is measured on wins right ? That's what you've said before. So who is the best coach in the league ? Let's count cups first
- Tfaehner

Doesn't matter in the context of the post who is THE best coach in the NHL. We know that Babcock is in the running.

All NHL teams have a vacant spot for HC.

How many give a call to Dave?

The leafs cleared out long expensive contracts and than signed marleau to a 3 year deal. Yes I would be completely okay with that. But you can't have 1 without the other.
- Tfaehner

I wouldn't be. That would just make the Flyers a better playoff bubble team. The Flyers young players aren't where the Leafs are. It's not time for that yet.

All NHL teams have a vacant spot for HC.

How many give a call to Dave?
- flyer_nutter

I remember when John Stevens would never get an NHL head coaching job either. Why do you continue to use statements that are speculative?

The Flyers are a fairly young team so I don't mind the fact that they are losing games, I just want to see effort in these losses. In last nights game as well as the Buffalo game I did not see much effort there and that's where the issues start for me. Obviously the coach must be held responsible for the team coming out with no jump , or am I mistaken ?

If there is ever a signifying item of "not being ready to have a conversation" it's using the lol emoji in a debate, nice.

If you'd like to carry on your reputation of avoiding attempts at backing up your claims it's your continued undoing.

Just calling a spade a spade sir.
- Lip_Out

The Flyers are a fairly young team so I don't mind the fact that they are losing games, I just want to see effort in these losses. In last nights game as well as the Buffalo game I did not see much effort there and that's where the issues start for me. Obviously the coach must be held responsible for the team coming out with no jump , or am I mistaken ?
- FreshFlyer

Agree with you 100% until the end which is a matter of opinion. Ultimately the coach most often pays the price but I think that is on the players. Who are they as a team to think they can take any team in the NHL lightly? Watch the difference in urgency in their play tonight. I bet it's much higher.

If I'm the Flyers I'm saying bye to Simmonds and Filppula at the deadline. They can surely get a 1st and a decent prospect for Simmonds. Not sure what they can get for Flip but I'd assume at least a 2nd or potentially a late first, depending on how desperate a team may be for some scoring depth. If you make that Simmonds deal, Hextall has 3, 1st rounders to work with at the draft and with that you can definitely make some big trades, either to move up or acquire an impact established player. The Flyers need to make the playoffs next season or I'm not sure what to think of Hextall or his tenure so far.

No I am just not going to compare the two. Hakstol is a neanderthal compared to Babcock.

Im sure Babs has also benched one of his young guys for taking a poor penalty.
- flyer_nutter

Yep... Marner and Nylander...both have rode the pine for the same reasons Hakstol is vilified for.

If I'm the Flyers I'm saying bye to Simmonds and Filppula at the deadline. They can surely get a 1st and a decent prospect for Simmonds. Not sure what they can get for Flip but I'd assume at least a 2nd or potentially a late first, depending on how desperate a team may be for some scoring depth. If you make that Simmonds deal, Hextall has 3, 1st rounders to work with at the draft and with that you can definitely make some big trades, either to move up or acquire an impact established player. The Flyers need to make the playoffs next season or I'm not sure what to think of Hextall or his tenure so far.
- FreshFlyer

I'd need more than that in a trade of Simmonds. I would need a quality young NHL ready player in return with the first for Simmonds.

Agree with you 100% until the end which is a matter of opinion. Ultimately the coach most often pays the price but I think that is on the players. Who are they as a team to think they can take any team in the NHL lightly? Watch the difference in urgency in their play tonight. I bet it's much higher.
- MJL

I think some blame can be placed on both parties, I mean Florida isn't one of the best teams in the league but they can be a good team and the Flyers aren't really in a position where they should be taking any team lightly at all. The players should have came out with some jump in their strides last night but instead we see the opposite of that. Part of me thinks though that Hak should have used a time out after they went down 2-0 at least, not sure why he never uses his timeout in a situation like that when they are already losing. Might as well try and turn the tide.