In regards to the veterans on this team. G, Jake and Coots for a variety of reasons, aren't going anywhere, but the rest should be for sale as the deadline approaches.

I’d agree. I’d just say that over the balance of hakstols coaching period the consistent effort is generally there. A hell of a lot more even in my opinion than a lava coached Pronger led flyers team.

They just have a very poor roster and that to me is the #1 issue.

Are we firing hak for being the bubble team we all expected them to be?
- Just5

I'm not firing Hakstol but I'm definitely focusing on the core of this team for the slow starts. It's not conducive to fixing them being a bubble team if that poop continues.

In regards to the veterans on this team. G, Jake and Coots for a variety of reasons, aren't going anywhere, but the rest should be for sale as the deadline approaches.
- BiggE

If someone calls about G or Jake I might be willing to listen intently on what the offer is. I still need a solid offer to give them away and I'm not eating salary.

If someone calls about G or Jake I might be willing to listen intently on what the offer is. I still need a solid offer to give them away and I'm not eating salary.
- dragonoffrost

Simmonds should be made available. Don’t give him away, but as others have stated. A 1st rounder and a young nhler should do it

Simmonds should be made available. Don’t give him away, but as others have stated. A 1st rounder and a young nhler should do it
- Just5

3 first rounders in this draft would be tremendous

If someone calls about G or Jake I might be willing to listen intently on what the offer is. I still need a solid offer to give them away and I'm not eating salary.
- dragonoffrost

Looking at their contracts and the remaining term, I just can't see anyone making a good enough offer to make a deal worth it for the Flyers.

There is more then just a few more of our draft picks to come up and our current ones to develop. There is something majorly wrong with this team and organization in general. I don't know what it is, but it's like groundhog day over and over for the last 10 years. The same problems over and over again. How do we continue to allow so many odd man rushes against every game? That is something coaching has to by now start getting fixed.
You just know that tomorrow Lehtera will be in the line up and as soon as Manning is healthy Sanheim is coming out. I think I would sit Hagg before Sanheim. Outside of a few games, I have not been overly impressed with Hagg at all.
The lack of ice time for Patrick because of a penalty is ridiculous. Just let the damn kid play. I'm tired of watching this crap. Hakstol seems desperate and will make any move other then a smart one.

After watching this game, I have 100% given up on playoff hoped for this year as far away as they were already. This team is not and should not be mentioned anymore in playoff talk. To many bad teams that are better then them to be mentioned.
- Buzzo

Patrick took two stick penalties the previous game and last night high sticked a player in the face for no reason whatsoever. He was just skating beside him. Not sending a message to Patrick is what would've been ridiculous. His lack of ice time
was earned and deserved.

Bill Meltzer: Flyers Gameday: 12/29/17 @ TB, Wrap: Flyers @ FLA, Prospect & WJC Updates
- bmeltzer

If I were Hextall I would be open to offers on any and all players on the roster minus 14, 19, 9, 6 and 8

really not sure if Hakstol should see the end of the season as coach either

Patrick took two stick penalties the previous game and last night high sticked a player in the face for no reason whatsoever. He was just skating beside him. Not sending a message to Patrick is what would've been ridiculous. His lack of ice time
was earned and deserved.
- MJL

Looking at their contracts and the remaining term, I just can't see anyone making a good enough offer to make a deal worth it for the Flyers.
- BiggE

I think if someone offers a 1st, top 6 guy and a prospect I take it and shake the core up. But that is only trading one of them if I am looking to get rid of both the offer is going to need to be a top 3 player, a first, a prospect and a 2nd or 3rd rounder for each.

So piss poor effort last night against a bad team. Odds they come out tonight and play good against a good team?

You know it's typical Philly.

And yes something does need to change as this team has had many coaches with the same lazy play...
- dragonoffrost

Guarantee they come out and play better tonight. It's an all too familiar pattern. What makes this team think they are in any way in a position or good enough to take any team lightly? It's infuriating. No urgency shown until it is too late. This is on the leadership, not the coach.

If I were Hextall I would be open to offers on any and all players on the roster minus 14, 19, 9, 6 and 8

really not sure if Hakstol should see the end of the season as coach either
- corduroy

That's about my untouchable list right now also. I might add 53 but you'd need to blow me away to make that deal doable.

- jak521

Man up and make an argument.

Guarantee they come out and play better tonight. It's an all too familiar pattern. What makes this team think they are in any way in a position or good enough to take any team lightly? It's infuriating. No urgency shown until it is too late. This is on the leadership, not the coach.
- MJL

Which is why I listen to offers for those specific parts

Of course this is why I'd never make it as an NHL GM.

Simmonds should be made available. Don’t give him away, but as others have stated. A 1st rounder and a young nhler should do it
- Just5

Agreed

I'd also be shopping the following, obviously they won't be able to move them all:

Filppula-I'd be willling to retain 50% since it's his final year, but I'd want at least a 2nd round pick coming back since it will likely be a late 2nd rounder

Weal-I think he's no more than a borderline NHL scorer so if someone is willing to part with a bigger, grittier player that can kill penalties, I'd happily move him

Weise, Lehtera, Read: I trade any of these three for a bag of used pucks

AMac- I'd be willing to retain up to 1.5 million for the rest of this season and the next 2. Would want a 3rd round pick coming back. AMac at a cap hit of 3.5 million is a solid, serviceable player.

Gudas-I'm not retaining anything and I'd want a late 1st for him. I'd be willing to throw in a 3rd round pick to get back that 1st.

Neuvirth- with his injury history, I'd move him for an NHL/AHL tweener to finish the season as our back up along with a 4th round pick.

I'd keep Raffl, I like the way he plays the game and I think he's a good influence on the kids and I'd keep Manning who stands up for his teammates and is a decent 6/7 guy. I'd also keep Elliott, they are going to still need at least one veteran goaltender next year.

I still don't like hasktol. Shortening your bench and having people log heavy minutes a day before a b2b is bad business especially when tomorrow night is the best team in the nhl. He desperately chased a win that wasn't coming and now in my eyes I think we get slaughtered tonight.

As far as the veterans go you can't trade g coots or Jake or you pretty much take away our entire offense this season and things will only get worse. Jake for all his flaws has been our most consistent producer offensively. But I do think this group needs a major shake up. The problem is let's say we trade Simmonds for a young nhl player and a first. What players you looking at ? Likely they will be developing guys and not gu us who are going to contribute now. It's the schenn trade all over again. That's another step back for competing now.

The scary thing about our play is we are actually 21st in the Nhl but last place in the metro. So as division play comes up what chance do we honestly have ? I don't give us any in this division.

So around this time last year, a lot of posters brought up trading G and “getting out of his contract” as he seemed to be in a quick decline. And when this was mentioned, posters said Hexy should have traded the team at X time for a full rebuild; this also included trading Jake when his value was high rather than extending him. Fast forward to this season, G and Jake look like their normal selves and are top 10-15 scorers. With that said, if this team continues these piss poor games and effort, do we fire sale for a full rebuild or is it too late? I don’t want this but I was reminiscing over last season and the daily trade Giroux threads with his value declining. Seems now his value is much higher and easier to trade.

I still don't like hasktol. Shortening your bench and having people log heavy minutes a day before a b2b is bad business especially when tomorrow night is the best team in the nhl. He desperately chased a win that wasn't coming and now in my eyes I think we get slaughtered tonight.

As far as the veterans go you can't trade g coots or Jake or you pretty much take away our entire offense this season and things will only get worse. Jake for all his flaws has been our most consistent producer offensively. But I do think this group needs a major shake up. The problem is let's say we trade Simmonds for a young nhl player and a first. What players you looking at ? Likely they will be developing guys and not gu us who are going to contribute now. It's the schenn trade all over again. That's another step back for competing now.

The scary thing about our play is we are actually 21st in the Nhl but last place in the metro. So as division play comes up what chance do we honestly have ? I don't give us any in this division.
- Tfaehner

See my post earlier. This team has a habit of playing to the level of the competition. It actually may bode well for them to start facing the best of the Metro. Maybe they wake the (frank) up.

Clockwork Orange & Black - watching tape of all the Flyers 1st periods under Hakstol.

I still don't like hasktol. Shortening your bench and having people log heavy minutes a day before a b2b is bad business especially when tomorrow night is the best team in the nhl. He desperately chased a win that wasn't coming and now in my eyes I think we get slaughtered tonight.


- Tfaehner

If you're the coach which game is more winnable on the road? The Panthers game or the TB game? It's not bad business to coach all out to try and win the Florida game. Unfortunately, the team did not respond. If he didn't shorten his bench he would've been criticized for that.

Clockwork Orange & Black - watching tape of all the Flyers, 1st periods under Hakstol.


- Feanor

And Berube and Lavy... let's not act like this hasn't been going on for a long time.

See my post earlier. This team has a habit of playing to the level of the competition. It actually may bode well for them to start facing the best of the Metro. Maybe they wake the (frank) up.
- dragonoffrost

I don't see the resiliency in this team that I have in the past. I don't see it happening but I hope you're right. So many players underperforming or not developing on pace. I know people are mentioning same issues 3 coaches but idk how we can even make the comparison considering lavy coached what 2-3 player that's on this team? Even the lineup from Berube to now is significantly different. Blaming g Jake coots for the team's problems is asinine as they are the only bright spots on offense. Our problem is after our top line nobody is showing up. It's a coaches job to develop and put these players in positions to win. I would consider a jvr for l schenn type deal right now only we get jvr this time.

I don't see the resiliency in this team that I have in the past. I don't see it happening but I hope you're right. So many players underperforming or not developing on pace. I know people are mentioning same issues 3 coaches but idk how we can even make the comparison considering lavy coached what 2-3 player that's on this team? Even the lineup from Berube to now is significantly different. Blaming g Jake coots for the team's problems is asinine as they are the only bright spots on offense. Our problem is after our top line nobody is showing up. It's a coaches job to develop and put these players in positions to win. I would consider a jvr for l schenn type deal right now only we get jvr this time.
- Tfaehner

To pull that deal off you are losing Ghost or Hagg or Sanheim probably along with a draft choice. Now how do you feel about it?

And Berube and Lavy... let's not act like this hasn't been going on for a long time.
- dragonoffrost

http://www.nhl.com/stats/...e,NaN&sort=goalsForInPer1

Under Hak - 201 games
- 126 GF in P1 (30th best in NHL)
- 156 GA in P1 (11th worst in NHL)

Under Berube - 164 games
- 123 GF in P1 (20th best in NHL)
- 128 GA in P1 (13th worst in NHL)

I don't see the resiliency in this team that I have in the past. I don't see it happening but I hope you're right. So many players underperforming or not developing on pace. I know people are mentioning same issues 3 coaches but idk how we can even make the comparison considering lavy coached what 2-3 player that's on this team? Even the lineup from Berube to now is significantly different. Blaming g Jake coots for the team's problems is asinine as they are the only bright spots on offense. Our problem is after our top line nobody is showing up. It's a coaches job to develop and put these players in positions to win. I would consider a jvr for l schenn type deal right now only we get jvr this time.
- Tfaehner

Weal has not scored a singe goal in 5 on 5 play this season. What position should the coach put Weal in to win that he hasn't been placed in already? On the top line?