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opeth_pa
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: The Implication
Joined: 12.13.2011

Dec 29 @ 9:16 PM ET
1/3 of the times that Ghost releases the puck, the shots are not blocked or on the frame. Of the shots that are directed on goal, a very low percentage result in goals. His S% is lower than Brandon Manning, that potent offensive weapon (also Dale Weise, fan favorite). If you play on PP1, and you throw a lot of pucks in the general direction of the net, apparently you score. But in spite of getting almost 60% offensive zone starts, his Fenwick is <50%.

And all of your centers need to be trusted to win draws or they should not be centers. Period. Jori Lehtera is a better center than Scott Laughton. The 4th line would be better with him at center. The only reason that move has not been made is that Scott Laughton can't play wing. Not even a little.

- hockeyal



Great..
Ghost had another goal tonight and you can roll all the Fenwick + CORSi \ 60 stats you want out there..facts are here is top 2 in points in the league for dmen.
hockeyal
Philadelphia Flyers
Joined: 07.22.2017

Dec 29 @ 9:16 PM ET
The coach does not decide who is on the Flyers roster and who is in Lehigh Valley. That's the GM's job. Provorov is very strong defensively in his own zone. Gostisbehere is one of the top scoring defenseman in the NHL.
- MJL


Provorov WAS a strong defenseman in his own zone paired with AMac or Hagg.

It doens't matter how many assists you get on the power play if you give up lots of shortys and 5v5 you can't hold your own. The 1st power play would be more effective with Provorov instead of Ghost, and his numbers would be big as well.

And you may be right about personnel. What do you think Hextall would say if Hak said he needed personnel? Would he say no? With Laughton, he might.
MJL
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: Candyland, PA
Joined: 09.20.2007

Dec 29 @ 9:18 PM ET
Alt has 0 value, hence being placed on waivers. I would be surprised if he gets claimed.

I know, you are going to tell me how he is an asset and has value. Ok, thanks.


- ggunky


False. Alt showed the value he had when he was called up to play when they needed a defenseman. With Manning ready to play they had 8 defenseman and needed a roster spot. With Alt not being waiver exempt he needed to clear waivers to be sent back down. Nothing to do with him having zero value. He is a depth defenseman that showed he can play limited minutes at the NHL level and not be an liability.
bulet13
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: Faceoffs, Plus/Minus, and PIMs...the Holy Trinity, TX
Joined: 03.10.2013

Dec 29 @ 9:19 PM ET
no offense sean
Just5
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: PA
Joined: 05.22.2008

Dec 29 @ 9:20 PM ET
Don’t look now but R2Z2 is heating up
hockeyal
Philadelphia Flyers
Joined: 07.22.2017

Dec 29 @ 9:20 PM ET
I don't think Lehtera brings much of anything over Leier in a 4th line role. I think at most is that Lehtera can play on the 2nd unit PP.

Manning is a more experienced and a better defender at this point in time than Sanheim is and likely is trusted more by the coaching staff. We knew this was going to happen.

- MJL


Every time Lehtera has been tried at wing he has failed. So no surprise there. But he is the 4th or 5th best center on the roster right now, and one of those guys is playing wing on the 1st line.

Sanheim simply was not ready for the NHL, and it is more glaring for a Dman than it is for, say Patrick, who is equally unready. They need to pair him with AMac on the 2nd pairing, put Hagg back on the 1st pairing and keep Gudas and Ghost on the bench as much as possible 5v5.
Just5
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: PA
Joined: 05.22.2008

Dec 29 @ 9:23 PM ET
Every time Lehtera has been tried at wing he has failed. So no surprise there. But he is the 4th or 5th best center on the roster right now, and one of those guys is playing wing on the 1st line.

Sanheim simply was not ready for the NHL, and it is more glaring for a Dman than it is for, say Patrick, who is equally unready. They need to pair him with AMac on the 2nd pairing, put Hagg back on the 1st pairing and keep Gudas and Ghost on the bench as much as possible 5v5.

- hockeyal


I like where your head is at
hockeyal
Philadelphia Flyers
Joined: 07.22.2017

Dec 29 @ 9:23 PM ET
Great..
Ghost had another goal tonight and you can roll all the Fenwick + CORSi \ 60 stats you want out there..facts are here is top 2 in points in the league for dmen.

- opeth_pa


Provorov has an even better shot. AMac got a goal playing on the 1st PP unit early in the season. Provorov should get a shot. We wouldn't have given up 5 shortys if he was on the 1st unit.
MJL
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: Candyland, PA
Joined: 09.20.2007

Dec 29 @ 9:23 PM ET
Provorov WAS a strong defenseman in his own zone paired with AMac or Hagg.

It doens't matter how many assists you get on the power play if you give up lots of shortys and 5v5 you can't hold your own. The 1st power play would be more effective with Provorov instead of Ghost, and his numbers would be big as well.

And you may be right about personnel. What do you think Hextall would say if Hak said he needed personnel? Would he say no? With Laughton, he might.

- hockeyal


You stated that they didn't have a defensive minded defenseman on the top pairing. That's wrong. Gostisbehere can absolutely hold his own at 5 on 5. You have zero basis for stating that the 1st PP unit would be more effective with Provorov over Gostisbehere. Gostisbehere may be the best PP defenseman in the entire league. Did you see the play he made to get the PP set up on the PP that he scored on? That was a key play that not many can make.


ggunky
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: I like cold beverages, NJ
Joined: 04.09.2008

Dec 29 @ 9:23 PM ET
False. Alt showed the value he had when he was called up to play when they needed a defenseman. With Manning ready to play they had 8 defenseman and needed a roster spot. With Alt not being waiver exempt he needed to clear waivers to be sent back down. Nothing to do with him having zero value. He is a depth defenseman that showed he can play limited minutes at the NHL level and not be an liability.
- MJL



OK.

I am not going to argue the value of a 9th- 10th d-man.



MJL
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: Candyland, PA
Joined: 09.20.2007

Dec 29 @ 9:23 PM ET
Provorov has an even better shot. AMac got a goal playing on the 1st PP unit early in the season. Provorov should get a shot. We wouldn't have given up 5 shortys if he was on the 1st unit.
- hockeyal


No he does not.
Landsbergfan
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: Gävle, Sweden
Joined: 07.15.2014

Dec 29 @ 9:24 PM ET
Elliott major trade bait if he continue like this
dragonoffrost
Season Ticket Holder
Location: The East Coast Dump, NJ
Joined: 10.12.2015

Dec 29 @ 9:24 PM ET
Every time Lehtera has been tried at wing he has failed. So no surprise there. But he is the 4th or 5th best center on the roster right now, and one of those guys is playing wing on the 1st line.

Sanheim simply was not ready for the NHL, and it is more glaring for a Dman than it is for, say Patrick, who is equally unready. They need to pair him with AMac on the 2nd pairing, put Hagg back on the 1st pairing and keep Gudas and Ghost on the bench as much as possible 5v5.

- hockeyal

Patrick had not one but two of the same surgery that one of it made G and Ghost look like shells of themselves but sure Patrick isn't ready
MJL
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: Candyland, PA
Joined: 09.20.2007

Dec 29 @ 9:25 PM ET
Every time Lehtera has been tried at wing he has failed. So no surprise there. But he is the 4th or 5th best center on the roster right now, and one of those guys is playing wing on the 1st line.

Sanheim simply was not ready for the NHL, and it is more glaring for a Dman than it is for, say Patrick, who is equally unready. They need to pair him with AMac on the 2nd pairing, put Hagg back on the 1st pairing and keep Gudas and Ghost on the bench as much as possible 5v5.

- hockeyal


Hagg hasn't been on the first pairing all year. Gostisbehere should be playing high minutes at 5 on 5 every game.
MJL
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: Candyland, PA
Joined: 09.20.2007

Dec 29 @ 9:26 PM ET
OK.

I am not going to argue the value of a 9th- 10th d-man.



- ggunky


Smart move because you weren't doing a good job of it. No reason to want to lose a player when you don't have too. Hoping he gets claimed is senseless.
dragonoffrost
Season Ticket Holder
Location: The East Coast Dump, NJ
Joined: 10.12.2015

Dec 29 @ 9:29 PM ET
OK.

I am not going to argue the value of a 9th- 10th d-man.




- ggunky

Those 9th 10th Dmen get used in playoff runs
hockeyal
Philadelphia Flyers
Joined: 07.22.2017

Dec 29 @ 9:29 PM ET
Ghost..
Just flinging pucks at the net this season!

- opeth_pa



Wide open net and Budaj almost got it. He basically shot it at his glove, and got lucky. But amazin pass from Simmons to give him a wide open net.
Mononoke
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: I'd do anything to get you humans out of my forest!
Joined: 07.19.2015

Dec 29 @ 9:30 PM ET
1/3 of the times that Ghost releases the puck, the shots are not blocked or on the frame. Of the shots that are directed on goal, a very low percentage result in goals. His S% is lower than Brandon Manning, that potent offensive weapon (also Dale Weise, fan favorite). If you play on PP1, and you throw a lot of pucks in the general direction of the net, apparently you score. But in spite of getting almost 60% offensive zone starts, his Fenwick is <50%.

And all of your centers need to be trusted to win draws or they should not be centers. Period. Jori Lehtera is a better center than Scott Laughton. The 4th line would be better with him at center. The only reason that move has not been made is that Scott Laughton can't play wing. Not even a little.

- hockeyal


Alphonse Morganti, is this what you do when you're not working pre/post game tonight?
MJL
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: Candyland, PA
Joined: 09.20.2007

Dec 29 @ 9:31 PM ET
Wide open net and Budaj almost got it. He basically shot it at his glove, and got lucky. But amazin pass from Simmons to give him a wide open net.
- hockeyal


How can you expect anyone to take you seriously with comments like this? Gostisbehere buried that puck in the back of the net and he made the play happen in the first place.
Marc D
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: best smile, 14 without fake tees
Joined: 03.28.2008

Dec 29 @ 9:31 PM ET
Solid game so far.
Where was this effort last night?
dragonoffrost
Season Ticket Holder
Location: The East Coast Dump, NJ
Joined: 10.12.2015

Dec 29 @ 9:31 PM ET
Wide open net and Budaj almost got it. He basically shot it at his glove, and got lucky. But amazin pass from Simmons to give him a wide open net.
- hockeyal

Ok you hate Ghost we get it
dragonoffrost
Season Ticket Holder
Location: The East Coast Dump, NJ
Joined: 10.12.2015

Dec 29 @ 9:32 PM ET
Alphonse Morganti, is this what you do when you're not working pre/post game tonight?
- Mononoke

hockeyal
Philadelphia Flyers
Joined: 07.22.2017

Dec 29 @ 9:32 PM ET
Hagg hasn't been on the first pairing all year. Gostisbehere should be playing high minutes at 5 on 5 every game.
- MJL


Who played on the top pairing while AMac was out? That was quite a few games.

As long as Ghost is playing with Provorov, the Flyers will be a losing team. They currently have zero functional, balanced D pairings.
dragonoffrost
Season Ticket Holder
Location: The East Coast Dump, NJ
Joined: 10.12.2015

Dec 29 @ 9:32 PM ET
Solid game so far.
Where was this effort last night?

- Marc D

Phillyitis
Giroux_Is_God
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: CLASS DISMISSED
Joined: 12.15.2011

Dec 29 @ 9:33 PM ET
Alphonse Morganti, is this what you do when you're not working pre/post game tonight?
- Mononoke

Here we are with Al Morganti ALPHONSE WHAT DO YOU THINK OF THAT PERIOD
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