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jmatchett383
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: Newark, DE
Joined: 03.09.2010

Feb 2 @ 2:41 PM ET
Wrong. So very wrong.
- Scoob


Der terk his berdseed!
jmatchett383
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: Newark, DE
Joined: 03.09.2010

Feb 2 @ 2:41 PM ET

- YuenglingJagr


That cat is such a horrible person! Someone call PETA.
Baxter27
Philadelphia Flyers
Joined: 12.03.2007

Feb 2 @ 2:53 PM ET
Given no credit? I said no such thing. There is without a doubt coaching that goes on behind the scenes.

Using your examples, what were the reasons they were removed from those roles? Konecny showed "poor puck management" Did time on the 4th line teach him to be better? He learned how to pass while being scratched? Or did a smart, young hockey player learn BY PLAYING what he can or can't do at the NHL level?

A coach has to try to win hockey games, so I completely understand younger players getting scratched at times or moved around the lineup. However, I like to see a reason behind it, and when guys like Manning and Lehtera are being used in place of younger players because they aren't "trusted" that is a problem. This coach takes that reason to extremes and there is a large amount of evidence that decisions are based on individual results rather than a process. Ghost only deserves a scratching when the pucks arent going in. Manning deserves to play because of an absurd on ice sv%

I won't just blindly support the decisions he makes just because he makes them. I want all of it to make sense. I don't think that is too much to ask for.

- YuenglingJagr


I gave you my take on why Konecny lost his role and it's still something he's working on. Puck management is more than just passing. A recent hot stretch by him doesn't mean he still doesn't have a lot to learn about it.

If I remember correctly, Ghost was struggling in his own end. You reading into what statistics the coach is or isn't using to make his judgement calls is your own complex.

I don't support the decisions blindly. I take time to understand them. If i have a real issue with the logic, I'll call it out.
YuenglingJagr
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: under the bridge
Joined: 10.05.2015

Feb 2 @ 3:01 PM ET
I gave you my take on why Konecny lost his role and it's still something he's working on. Puck management is more than just passing. A recent hot stretch by him doesn't mean he still doesn't have a lot to learn about it.

If I remember correctly, Ghost was struggling in his own end. You reading into what statistics the coach is or isn't using to make his judgement calls is your own complex.

I don't support the decisions blindly. I take time to understand them. If i have a real issue with the logic, I'll call it out.

- Baxter27

Do you think Ghost would've been scratched for struggling in his own end if pucks were going in the net (offensively)?
YuenglingJagr
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: under the bridge
Joined: 10.05.2015

Feb 2 @ 3:14 PM ET
Goulbourne -> LHV
Baxter27
Philadelphia Flyers
Joined: 12.03.2007

Feb 2 @ 3:14 PM ET
Do you think Ghost would've been scratched for struggling in his own end if pucks were going in the net (offensively)?
- YuenglingJagr


Was he scratched last night after not scoring a point in 4 straight games? Hakstol obviously wanted more from him in all zones when he was struggling last season. I really don't think he was judging ghost by goals and assists when deciding to scratch him. Ghost was lacking confidence and wasn't giving the coach enough reason to stay in the line up. Kind of like Sanheim hasn't given enough reason to stay in the NHL. Regardless how bad Manning has played the last 3 games.
wcorvette
Season Ticket Holder
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: Boynton Beach, FL
Joined: 10.03.2010

Feb 2 @ 3:17 PM ET
Do you think Ghost would've been scratched for struggling in his own end if pucks were going in the net (offensively)?
- YuenglingJagr


it is true, as long as ghost was putting up points he would be in the line up. I do think it is a risk/reward approach, was Ghost involved more in getting goals or goals against. With TK, it might have been the later. Being the type of forward he is, he has to put up points. With a D like ghost, points are needed but it is easier to give him a little rope. If Sanheim would have had a few more goals, he would probably still be here. I do agree SanHeim was given nearly the chance to do it.

hammarby31
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: it's been 84 years, AZ
Joined: 01.02.2007

Feb 2 @ 3:18 PM ET
That cat is such a horrible person! Someone call PETA.
- jmatchett383


cats are pure evil. hunt for sport. just like people.
jmatchett383
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: Newark, DE
Joined: 03.09.2010

Feb 2 @ 3:18 PM ET
Goulbourne -> LHV
- YuenglingJagr


Good. If he's only getting 5:33 per game up here, might as well just put him in LV. Has anyone been called up to take his roster spot?
jmatchett383
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: Newark, DE
Joined: 03.09.2010

Feb 2 @ 3:18 PM ET
dogs are pure evil. hunt for sport. just like people.
- hammarby31


agreed
dragonoffrost
Season Ticket Holder
Location: The East Coast Dump, NJ
Joined: 10.12.2015

Feb 2 @ 3:19 PM ET
Goulbourne -> LHV
- YuenglingJagr


Not a big shocker...
YuenglingJagr
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: under the bridge
Joined: 10.05.2015

Feb 2 @ 3:24 PM ET
cats are pure evil. hunt for sport. just like people.
- hammarby31

does this mean you like dogging?
YuenglingJagr
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: under the bridge
Joined: 10.05.2015

Feb 2 @ 3:25 PM ET
Was he scratched last night after not scoring a point in 4 straight games? Hakstol obviously wanted more from him in all zones when he was struggling last season. I really don't think he was judging ghost by goals and assists when deciding to scratch him. Ghost was lacking confidence and wasn't giving the coach enough reason to stay in the line up. Kind of like Sanheim hasn't given enough reason to stay in the NHL. Regardless how bad Manning has played the last 3 games.
- Baxter27

you've lost me
SimmerDown
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: The Cold North
Joined: 12.07.2017

Feb 2 @ 3:26 PM ET
cats are pure evil. hunt for sport. just like people.
- hammarby31

Cats are hilarious - I still went with a dog when choosing a pet however. I call him Simmer Jr because they look alike.
YuenglingJagr
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: under the bridge
Joined: 10.05.2015

Feb 2 @ 3:28 PM ET
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My theory as to why the Flyers didn't make a coaching change last offseason re: the PK was because they blamed its issues on the goalies (read: Mason), not tactics. Hextall's comments today kind of confirm that.


anyone actually know the comments?
Feanor
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: DE
Joined: 02.13.2013

Feb 2 @ 3:31 PM ET
anyone actually know the comments?
- YuenglingJagr


I don't, but I know the PK has struggled since the start of the 14-15 season, not just last year when Mase had his worst season as a Flyer.
YuenglingJagr
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: under the bridge
Joined: 10.05.2015

Feb 2 @ 3:31 PM ET
anyone actually know the comments?
- YuenglingJagr

found it


cont...
SimmerDown17
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: It aint my fault, SimmerDown aint my alt, CA
Joined: 06.26.2014

Feb 2 @ 3:31 PM ET
anyone actually know the comments?
- YuenglingJagr

https://twitter.com/NHLAd...status/959509393443360769
jmatchett383
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: Newark, DE
Joined: 03.09.2010

Feb 2 @ 3:36 PM ET
found it


cont...

- YuenglingJagr




"To think that we don't have enough good penalty killers on our team here, I don't believe that."

So if it's not the goalies...and if you have enough good PK players...seems like there's only one variable left for the PK struggles.
Baxter27
Philadelphia Flyers
Joined: 12.03.2007

Feb 2 @ 3:36 PM ET
you've lost me
- YuenglingJagr


Well apparently that's the logic you think dumb Hakstol thinks with. So no problem, twist yourway out of this as usual. Continue to make every excuse for the young players that big bad wolf Hakstol is hindering.
jmatchett383
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: Newark, DE
Joined: 03.09.2010

Feb 2 @ 3:38 PM ET
Well apparently that's the logic you think dumb Hakstol thinks with. So no problem, twist yourway out of this as usual. Continue to make every excuse for the young players that big bad wolf Hakstol is hindering.
- Baxter27


BARTDOYOUWANTTOSEEMYNEWCHAINSAWANDHOCKEYMASK?
SimmerDown
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: The Cold North
Joined: 12.07.2017

Feb 2 @ 3:42 PM ET
Trade proposal.

To Chicago - 2 2018 first round draft picks

To Flyers - Joel Quenneville
YuenglingJagr
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: under the bridge
Joined: 10.05.2015

Feb 2 @ 3:42 PM ET
Well apparently that's the logic you think dumb Hakstol thinks with. So no problem, twist yourway out of this as usual. Continue to make every excuse for the young players that big bad wolf Hakstol is hindering.
- Baxter27

okay
hammarby31
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: it's been 84 years, AZ
Joined: 01.02.2007

Feb 2 @ 3:45 PM ET
agreed
- jmatchett383


links or it didn't happen.
wcorvette
Season Ticket Holder
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: Boynton Beach, FL
Joined: 10.03.2010

Feb 2 @ 3:46 PM ET
Trade proposal.

To Chicago - 2 2018 first round draft picks

To Flyers - Joel Quenneville

- SimmerDown



thank God this is page 12 or the comments would be blowing up
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