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BiggE
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: SELL THE DAMN TEAM!
Joined: 04.17.2012

Feb 2 @ 4:34 PM ET
Wait...isn't today wing bowl day?
- Scoob

Yup, it was the usual:

Morons, Strippers, Pervs and gluttons. Kind of like Bourbon Street in N.O., but indoors and without live music.
PepinoPamplemousse
Carolina Hurricanes
Joined: 01.18.2009

Feb 2 @ 4:35 PM ET
Are his initials J.L.?
- BiggE


Wait you're not giving Lehtera PP time, are you?
Baxter27
Philadelphia Flyers
Joined: 12.03.2007

Feb 2 @ 4:37 PM ET
If only someone could tell me more about how much Lehtera sucks...my day would be complete.
Baxter27
Philadelphia Flyers
Joined: 12.03.2007

Feb 2 @ 4:37 PM ET
Wait you're not giving Lehtera PP time, are you?
- PepinoPamplemousse

Not anymore but we're going to have to hear about the stretch they did for the next 2 years.
PepinoPamplemousse
Carolina Hurricanes
Joined: 01.18.2009

Feb 2 @ 4:39 PM ET
Not anymore but we're going to have to hear about the stretch they did for the next 2 years.
- Baxter27

Just5
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: PA
Joined: 05.22.2008

Feb 2 @ 4:41 PM ET
Gouldbourne to the AHL, thank Christ.
- ClaudeFather


One of the more ridiculous moves by Hexy
Scoob
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: love is love
Joined: 06.29.2006

Feb 2 @ 4:42 PM ET
Yup, it was the usual:

Morons, Strippers, Pervs and gluttons. Kind of like Bourbon Street in N.O., but indoors and without live music.

- BiggE


lol!

And with Philly accents
YuenglingJagr
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: under the bridge
Joined: 10.05.2015

Feb 2 @ 4:45 PM ET
lol!

And with Philly accents

- Scoob

I guess some chick ate over 500 wings? I am not even sure how that is possible

8.3 / min
MJL
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: Candyland, PA
Joined: 09.20.2007

Feb 2 @ 4:47 PM ET
Given no credit? I said no such thing. There is without a doubt coaching that goes on behind the scenes.

Using your examples, what were the reasons they were removed from those roles? Konecny showed "poor puck management" Did time on the 4th line teach him to be better? He learned how to pass while being scratched? Or did a smart, young hockey player learn BY PLAYING what he can or can't do at the NHL level?

A coach has to try to win hockey games, so I completely understand younger players getting scratched at times or moved around the lineup. However, I like to see a reason behind it, and when guys like Manning and Lehtera are being used in place of younger players because they aren't "trusted" that is a problem. This coach takes that reason to extremes and there is a large amount of evidence that decisions are based on individual results rather than a process. Ghost only deserves a scratching when the pucks arent going in. Manning deserves to play because of an absurd on ice sv%

I won't just blindly support the decisions he makes just because he makes them. I want all of it to make sense. I don't think that is too much to ask for.

- YuenglingJagr


A young player learns that his ice time is dependent on how well he plays in the important areas of the game such as puck management and play away from the puck and not just how many goals he scored nor is he entitled to ice time simply because he was a high draft pick. That is exactly the process that you claim doesn't exist. It's the opposite of what you claim.
If you think Gostisbehere was scratched because pucks weren't going in the net then you really don't understand what is going on. How the Flyers handle young players certainly makes sense even if someone doesn't agree with it or would prefer they do something differently.
Pixote Andolini
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: South Philadelphia, PA
Joined: 07.23.2007

Feb 2 @ 4:49 PM ET
If only someone could tell me more about how much Lehtera sucks...my day would be complete.
- Baxter27

You guys do realize that a lot of bottom 6 players that were previously top 6 players are more or less adapting to new roles and evolving their game thusly to fit into the team plan. We're talking about a 3rd round pick. A big body player who has experience in the KHL scoring at just under a point/game. Has decent international experience including a bronze and silver medals (Olympics and WC). A player that has versatility and can get plugged into the lineup as needed. Not sure why he's become the VandeVelde of this year but his minutes and role are very reduced compared to his role in St. Louis a couple seasons ago. Sure the NHL has transitioned into speed and youth but I don't place blame on him for the Flyers recent swoon. Also unclear about the hatred for Raffl — especially after last nights loss. Raffl was one of the few forwards that stood out from the 2nd period on.
Just5
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: PA
Joined: 05.22.2008

Feb 2 @ 4:53 PM ET
You guys do realize that a lot of bottom 6 players that were previously top 6 players are more or less adapting to new roles and evolving their game thusly to fit into the team plan. We're talking about a 3rd round pick. A big body player who has experience in the KHL scoring at just under a point/game. Has decent international experience including a bronze and silver medals (Olympics and WC). A player that has versatility and can get plugged into the lineup as needed. Not sure why he's become the VandeVelde of this year but his minutes and role are very reduced compared to his role in St. Louis a couple seasons ago. Sure the NHL has transitioned into speed and youth but I don't place blame on him for the Flyers recent swoon. Also unclear about the hatred for Raffl — especially after last nights loss. Raffl was one of the few forwards that stood out from the 2nd period on.
- Pixote Andolini


Raffl should be a guy that’s killing penalties for you. It’s annoying that he can’t do it because his shot blocking form causes injury. He’s long, can skate, and is best along the boards. And he sits on the bench watching our pk get scorched.
MJL
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: Candyland, PA
Joined: 09.20.2007

Feb 2 @ 4:54 PM ET
When you ignore the losses, the Flyers have one of the best records in the NHL!

love when you say stuff like this shortly after "he fired the first shot!" Comical. In the words of BiggE, "okie dokie"

- YuenglingJagr


This is a non-sensical reply and reeks of desperation. What I stated was factually true.
Pixote Andolini
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: South Philadelphia, PA
Joined: 07.23.2007

Feb 2 @ 4:54 PM ET
Raffl should be a guy that’s killing penalties for you. It’s annoying that he can’t do it because his shot blocking form causes injury. He’s long, can skate, and is best along the boards. And he sits on the bench watching our pk get scorched
- Just5

Raffl had a fabulous sequence on the PK last night in the 3rd.
opeth_pa
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: The Implication
Joined: 12.13.2011

Feb 2 @ 4:55 PM ET
Gouldbourne to the AHL, thank Christ.
- ClaudeFather



Season saved!!

Its amazing to me that with a PK that is utter Hell, goaltending that has cost them arguably 2 of the last 3 losses and the amazing recent play of Manning that people are wasting cycles on Ghoul
VladDrag
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: West Chester, PA
Joined: 01.13.2009

Feb 2 @ 5:14 PM ET
depends how you feel about squirrels
- YuenglingJagr


Mononoke
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: I'd do anything to get you humans out of my forest!
Joined: 07.19.2015

Feb 2 @ 5:18 PM ET
That's the problem with having Provorov and Gostisbhere paired together. It leaves the MacDonald-Hagg pairing to take a lot of heavy lifting where all they do is defend. Ideally in the future more of the young defenseman develop and the Flyers can spread out their dynamic defenseman more through the lineup.
- MJL


If they're going to use Hagg a lot against top lines as they have then MacDonald is the better choice to pair with Hagg in that situation. The Flyers right now need to use MacDonald in a bigger role then they would be able to if he was paired with Sanheim. There is no perfect lineup for this team where there wouldn't be issues. It's not about the coaching decisions, it's about the available talent.
- MJL


I rarely back-read, but this was too great to pass up.

Hagg and MacDonald are fantastic top 4 defensemen.......only they can't do anything without Provorov or Ghost carrying their jocks. You're not a good defenseman if you need your jock carried. They're getting cratered together in almost league bottom fashion. "All they do is defend." Your words. Weird how Ghost is seeing top pair minutes and doing just fine, lightyears beyond what those other two ever did. And he is lifting up Provorov in the process (and Provorov him). You outline why they stink while saying they're good. If ever we isolated the negative versus positive of each player, it's now.

The 9-53 pairing is life itself and should carry us to the Stanley Cup.
flyerfan48
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: IL
Joined: 12.26.2008

Feb 2 @ 5:25 PM ET
Not sure if this was discussed, but I didn't like Hak giving the 4th line an O zone start with 6 minutes left and then another one with 3 minutes left in a tie game right after a TV timeout. That was absolutely headscratching for me.
KINGKENZO
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: OMAR COMIN'..Head or Gut?.....Watching regular white people
Joined: 01.10.2008

Feb 2 @ 5:25 PM ET
joegreif17, welcome back
- YuenglingJagr

now GFYS and GTFO
MJL
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: Candyland, PA
Joined: 09.20.2007

Feb 2 @ 5:39 PM ET
I rarely back-read, but this was too great to pass up.

Hagg and MacDonald are fantastic top 4 defensemen.......only they can't do anything without Provorov or Ghost carrying their jocks. You're not a good defenseman if you need your jock carried. They're getting cratered together in almost league bottom fashion. "All they do is defend." Your words. Weird how Ghost is seeing top pair minutes and doing just fine, lightyears beyond what those other two ever did. And he is lifting up Provorov in the process (and Provorov him). You outline why they stink while saying they're good. If ever we isolated the negative versus positive of each player, it's now.

The 9-53 pairing is life itself and should carry us to the Stanley Cup.

- Mononoke


I stopped reading once I read jock carried. No need to continue. Simply not credible.
BiggE
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: SELL THE DAMN TEAM!
Joined: 04.17.2012

Feb 2 @ 5:40 PM ET
Wait you're not giving Lehtera PP time, are you?
- PepinoPamplemousse

I’m not
Mordecai
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: not very poggers
Joined: 08.27.2015

Feb 2 @ 5:52 PM ET
If only someone could tell me more about how much Lehtera sucks...my day would be complete.
- Baxter27

He's pretty much objectively the worst forward in the NHL at almost everything. When he is on the ice we're basically playing a man down.

You're welcome
Giroux_Is_God
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: CLASS DISMISSED
Joined: 12.15.2011

Feb 2 @ 5:57 PM ET
but you're here now to brighten my day. thank god.
- hammarby31

Ty for this but because everything is litrilly terrible I couldn't stay
Mordecai
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: not very poggers
Joined: 08.27.2015

Feb 2 @ 5:59 PM ET
I stopped reading once I read jock carried. No need to continue. Simply not credible.
- MJL

H Y P E R B O L E
Giroux_Is_God
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: CLASS DISMISSED
Joined: 12.15.2011

Feb 2 @ 5:59 PM ET
He's pretty much objectively the worst forward in the NHL at almost everything. When he is on the ice we're basically playing a man down.

You're welcome

- Mordecai

What a time to be alive
hammarby31
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: it's been 84 years, AZ
Joined: 01.02.2007

Feb 2 @ 6:02 PM ET
Ty for this but because everything is litrilly terrible I couldn't stay
- Giroux_Is_God


but now you're back.
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