walleyeb1
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Location: Petersburg, IL Joined: 09.25.2014
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I think you have to see what you can get for AA, Hartman, and Saad (along with the guys you mentioned and Kempny/Ruuta). I'd really list Kane as the only untouchable, but other guys are too for different reasons (Toews, Keith, Seabs, DeBrincat, and Schmaltz). - Antz96
I don’t want Stan doing anything major, I think it’s best to just put everything on hold until the end of the season. |
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walleyeb1
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Location: Petersburg, IL Joined: 09.25.2014
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I think it's worth pointing out his comments aren't just spin for fans, they are spin for any GM looking to make deals with the Hawks. Telling fans you don't feel pushed to make changes, despite missing playoffs, tells other GM's you feel secure with your job and content with your team; so if they want something you have they'll have to pay face value. - Antilles
Or not, could be he didn’t get a green light, he got red lighted and was told we don’t want you doing anything.
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Antz96
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Location: CHICAGO, IL Joined: 01.25.2010
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DING DING DING - Return of the Roar
This is a bad take. I'm glad this was being said when the Hawks were a perennial Cup contender. I'm also glad the Cubs went this route and hired baseball guy Theo to run baseball ops (with another baseball guy Crane Kenney running the business side). This idea has gone the way of the dinosaurs. His job isn't to be the final authority on hockey decisions. His job is to put people in place to improve the franchise, and manage those people. |
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Antz96
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Location: CHICAGO, IL Joined: 01.25.2010
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I don’t want Stan doing anything major, I think it’s best to just put everything on hold until the end of the season. - walleyeb1
I think you have to decide what would be required in order to trade each. If you can get it now, pull the trigger. It's crazy what centers and dmen go for at the deadline. Waiting can cost you big time (like Sharp). I think there would be a higher demand for AA now than the offseason, especially if a team thinks he can be a C. |
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I think you have to see what you can get for AA, Hartman, and Saad (along with the guys you mentioned and Kempny/Ruuta). I'd really list Kane as the only untouchable, but other guys are too for different reasons (Toews, Keith, Seabs, DeBrincat, and Schmaltz). - Antz96
At this stage you do not deal away any roster players under the age 25. You commit totally to youth and deal away large contracts along with your older players.
Bowman is not under any Cap pressure or playoff team improvement pressure. He is in a good position to make smart deals. If he were to shut Crawford down for the season (and there is no reason to bring him back if he is not 100%) then he could have a whole bunch of cap space to deal from as well. |
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WiscoReg
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Ahhhh.....no.
Opportunistic and smart guy who hitched his trailer to a rising star at the right time. Nothing more and nothing less. Easy to sell a winning team. Not so easy to sell a losing team. Even harder for a marketing guy to truly have any positive impact on building and maintaining a winning team when he has no experience in the sport.
Its about the right people in the right roles. Let the accountants handle the money, the marketing people do the marketing, the hockey guys make the hockey decisions, and accept that the success of a sports franchise is ultimately tied only to one thing - winning. - Return of the Roar
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He was avoided because he's been terrible for about a month now.
Since December 1st, Kruger has:
1 Goal, 1 assist, 12 shots in 26 games.
That's just not acceptable from any player. You can't have a guy playing 10 minutes per night and not be able to get a shot even every other game. - PepinoPamplemousse
How about at the other end of the ice? He never brought offence to our team either and i don't think anyone expected him to. |
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Bowman only stated that there will little changes to the team for next year, but does that include coaching staff? |
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Antz96
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Location: CHICAGO, IL Joined: 01.25.2010
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At this stage you do not deal away any roster players under the age 25. You commit totally to youth and deal away large contracts along with your older players.
Bowman is not under any Cap pressure or playoff team improvement pressure. He is in a good position to make smart deals. If he were to shut Crawford down for the season (and there is no reason to bring him back if he is not 100%) then he could have a whole bunch of cap space to deal from as well. - 67hawks
This depends entirely on the org's evaluation of the players. We've seen them try that with the Morins and the Danos. It doesn't work if they're not NHL players regardless of age. IMO they should see what they could get for Hartman. He's an RFA, young, and not likely to be a top 6 forward. See if someone will overpay for him.
Also, teams aren't jumping through hoops to add large contracts or older players. |
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How about at the other end of the ice? He never brought offence to our team either and i don't think anyone expected him to. - FeartheFeathers
Just as bad.
Point was for him to do the heavy lifting defensively so that J.Staal could focus more on offense.
He hasn't been able to do that and they just can't justify his lack of offense when he can't carry a big defensive load either anymore. |
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Beaver-Warrior
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Location: in my great and unmatched wisdom Joined: 07.28.2011
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Though the Jesus trade to the Habs rumor is DOA, I wouldn't be surprised in the least if he was moved before the deadline. |
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kwolf68
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Location: Mt. Lebanon, PA Joined: 12.18.2010
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So he prattles on about the young guys and chemistry, but nary a word about the badly overpaid/underperforming 'star' players. Must be awesome living in a delusional bubble. |
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I don’t want Stan doing anything major, I think it’s best to just put everything on hold until the end of the season. - walleyeb1
Yes
Just take care of the expiring contracts and see what you can get for them. |
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Tyler Cameron
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Location: Toronto, ON Joined: 10.31.2017
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Bowman only stated that there will little changes to the team for next year, but does that include coaching staff? - 67hawks
TBD at this point. Very possible. |
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kmw4631
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Location: CHICAGO Joined: 02.27.2015
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If pitt offered a 1st for AA along with either Haglin or cole plus a good prospect
what about if Toronto offered for Keith for 1st, Timothy Liljegren and travis McDermott a kapanen and martin 2.5 for 3 more years. |
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If pitt offered a 1st for AA along with either Haglin or cole plus a good prospect
what about if Toronto offered for Keith for 1st, Timothy Liljegren and travis McDermott a kapanen and martin 2.5 for 3 more years. - kmw4631
Why in the hell would either of those teams offer something so ridiculous for those guys? |
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pdx2ord
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Location: Portland, OR Joined: 09.02.2015
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TBD at this point. Very possible. - Justin Lowe
I'm admittedly in the time-to-move-on-from-Q camp, but I don't know how you read this quote without inferring that they see a problem with the coaching. Maybe they are blaming the veteran players for all of it?
"Stan Bowman joined NBC Sports Chicago's pregame show. He mentioned the team's lack of consistency, inability to put together winning streaks and power play struggles as reasons for why they are where they are." |
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gmurban
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Location: Charlottesville, VA Joined: 04.08.2008
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Latest from McD |
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BobP.
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Location: Joliet, IL Joined: 12.29.2010
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Ahhhh.....no.
Opportunistic and smart guy who hitched his trailer to a rising star at the right time. Nothing more and nothing less. Easy to sell a winning team. Not so easy to sell a losing team. Even harder for a marketing guy to truly have any positive impact on building and maintaining a winning team when he has no experience in the sport.
Its about the right people in the right roles. Let the accountants handle the money, the marketing people do the marketing, the hockey guys make the hockey decisions, and accept that the success of a sports franchise is ultimately tied only to one thing - winning. - Return of the Roar
This is great! Saved me the trouble. |
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Location: VA Joined: 10.05.2015
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Excellent Justin.
The Hawks have to show patience. They do not have other choices. Firing Bowman and Q and shipping off the core at deeply discounted prices is no guarantee for success. Even those that succeed take years. Look at Edmonton, Nashville, Tampa, Toronto. It took them many years.
Losing Hossa was huge.
Missing Crawford for so many games has been huge.
Will the D get better as currently composed? Dmen take a little longer to progress.
I am willing to give Q and Ulfie another year working with Kempny, Oesterle, Rutta, Murphy, Gus, Forsling. I would like to see them add a top pairing Dman through free agency, trade or draft.
The young guys could learn a lot from making the playoffs. But playing without stress, being a spoiler and trying to beat teams in the playoff hunt can be a learning experience too.
Going from a young team to a good team is a huge leap. I am not sure if this group (and coaching staff) can do it.
But I am ok giving Bowman and Q another year.
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spudrock512
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Location: IA Joined: 08.20.2014
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Fire Stan, hire whom??? - BlackhawkMike
Goalie 33 - I mean, he is a scout after all.
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StLBravesFan
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Location: IL Joined: 07.03.2011
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Ahhhh.....no.
Opportunistic and smart guy who hitched his trailer to a rising star at the right time. Nothing more and nothing less. Easy to sell a winning team. Not so easy to sell a losing team. Even harder for a marketing guy to truly have any positive impact on building and maintaining a winning team when he has no experience in the sport.
Its about the right people in the right roles. Let the accountants handle the money, the marketing people do the marketing, the hockey guys make the hockey decisions, and accept that the success of a sports franchise is ultimately tied only to one thing - winning. - Return of the Roar
Somehow, this dysfunctional group - McD, Bowman, Q - a-feudin’ and a-fussin’ and a-fightin’ and a-interferin’ - managed to bring us 3 Cups and 2 WCF since 2009 - and not all due to Tallon or Dollar Bill (I’m stunned to see some nostalgia for HIS management style here recently) or “anyone could win with that core”....
I don’t know if this is the group to lead the team forward (I wouldn’t hire Phil Jackson to be in charge of a rebuild - look what he did with the Knicks) but say that while recognizing that what they did accomplish has been remarkable. |
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kmw4631
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Location: CHICAGO Joined: 02.27.2015
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If we just bring back the same lineup next year the core will be a year older and I can't imagine other then Craw/SAAD will be any better. So the young guys will be better and the old guys will be worse. We will be a borderline Playoff team again.
Of the young guys Nick, CAT, Hino, Kampf, are all having good years I don't think they are going to be much better then this year. Hart, Murph, Forsling, I think you could expect a bump. Duke, Jurco, Ost, Hayden I think we know what we have and will probably be about the same.
if we got sweeped and need to start a mini rebuild last year then what about this year missing the playoffs by 10 pts? |
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I really think that Chicago needs to re-build. Even though Brandon Saad is having a mediocre season, I still wouldn't trade him quite yet.
The players I can see getting traded in the next season or two are Artem Anisimov & Brent Seabrook.
If Chicago are going to be sellers, they should trade their pieces while they still have some significant value so they can recieve a good delivery back from the opposing team.
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