If Washington wins they should give McPhee a ring as he's put both the teams together for the most part!
- LeftCoaster

lol no doubt. The irony of the situation is uncanny.

I want the VGK to win, period, Washington can win a Cup after OV retires. Besides us, there's three teams I want to see win a Cup before anyone else. Winnipeg (for the city that got abandoned by the NHL), Ottawa (in spite of Melnyk) and Nashville (because I have been a fan of that team for years and my work friend's son is playing on that team). Still I would love to see a team full of players who were underutilized, unwanted and for the most part until this season underappreciated win the Cup for a city that had the worst mass shooting in history.

If Washington wins they should give McPhee a ring as he's put both the teams together for the most part!
- LeftCoaster

I think LVGK’s success says more about the uselessness of current and past hockey executives and business systems then it does about the extraordinary talents of McPhee and Gallant.

I would love to see Vegas to win just to silence the ones who believe that you can only win the cup through the draft.

I would love to see Vegas to win just to silence the ones who believe that you can only win the cup through the draft.
- VANTEL

What? They essentially did win a cup through the draft. Just a different kind of draft (if they win).

What? They essentially did win a cup through the draft. Just a different kind of draft (if they win).
- bloatedmosquito

Entry Draft

I think LVGK’s success says more about the uselessness of current and past hockey executives and business systems then it does about the extraordinary talents of McPhee and Gallant.
- bloatedmosquito

Ya, there's more to it than just McPhee and Gallant for sure. The rallying point of all being outcasts, automatically having a bond and cultural reset, is a pretty big part too.

I think LVGK’s success says more about the uselessness of current and past hockey executives and business systems then it does about the extraordinary talents of McPhee and Gallant.
- bloatedmosquito

There's probably an element of that involved but someone wins it every year so there's always a model to follow, unless you're a forward thinking leader.

I would love to see Vegas to win just to silence the ones who believe that you can only win the cup through the draft.
- VANTEL

I don't think there's anyone out there stupid enough to think you can only win through the entry draft. There's multiple things that must come together for a championship, the entry draft is a large part of that but clearly not the only part.

There's probably an element of that involved but someone wins it every year so there's always a model to follow, unless you're a forward thinking leader.
- LeftCoaster

There are two kinds of franchises ....those who copy other teams models ...and those who hang cup banners

I think LVGK’s success says more about the uselessness of current and past hockey executives and business systems then it does about the extraordinary talents of McPhee and Gallant.
- bloatedmosquito

Their top line and goalie were gifts ....not some great scouting done by Vegas ....the knights winning a cup wouldn’t be impressive ...it would be embarrassing for 30 other franchises along with an entire league front office

There are two kinds of franchises ....those who copy other teams models ...and those who hang cup banners
- Redmile247

McPhee broke down the Capitals in 2004 I think and they've been good for a decade now, I'd say he knows how to build.

Detroit is another team that carved out their own path through the 90's and 2000's.

Their top line and goalie were gifts ....not some great scouting done by Vegas ....the knights winning a cup wouldn’t be impressive ...it would be embarrassing for 30 other franchises along with an entire league front office
- Redmile247

Dale Tallon should've be fired by now for letting Marchessault and Reilly go.

Dale Tallon should've be fired by now for letting Marchessault and Reilly go.
- LeftCoaster

Wasn’t he praised for his work in Chicago or did Stan bowman get the credit ?

That is crazy to think they had to take either of those Florida players

Wasn’t he praised for his work in Chicago or did Stan bowman get the credit ?

That is crazy to think they had to take either of those Florida players
- Redmile247

Some days you're the dog and some days you're the hydrant.

McPhee broke down the Capitals in 2004 I think and they've been good for a decade now, I'd say he knows how to build.

Detroit is another team that carved out their own path through the 90's and 2000's.
- LeftCoaster

He also traded Filip Forsberg

And he didn’t bring in Oshie, orpik , Eller, or kempny

Some days you're the dog and some days you're the hydrant.
- LeftCoaster

Hahahaha well said

He also traded Filip Forsberg

And he didn’t bring in Oshie, orpik , Eller, or kempny
- Redmile247

People always use the F. Forsberg trade and call him out but that hardly negates the many many good things he's done.

At the time Forsberg was a prospect and he was trying to compete for a Cup with a good Washington team. So he made the trade, obviously didn't work out, how many times have we seen that movie before though?

People always use the F. Forsberg trade and call him out but that hardly negates the many many good things he's done.

At the time Forsberg was a prospect and he was trying to compete for a Cup with a good Washington team. So he made the trade, obviously didn't work out, how many times have we seen that movie before though?
- LeftCoaster

Grabner.

People always use the F. Forsberg trade and call him out but that hardly negates the many many good things he's done.

At the time Forsberg was a prospect and he was trying to compete for a Cup with a good Washington team. So he made the trade, obviously didn't work out, how many times have we seen that movie before though?
- LeftCoaster

Well if we are going to praise the man for things he didn’t fully do why can’t we criticize him for things he did fully do ?

Traded a 4th rounder for Dustin penner

Traded Matthieu Perrault for a 4th and John mitchel

Traded a 2nd and Cody Eakin for a coked out mike ribeiro

Traded a first rounder for Troy Brouwer

Can’t really give him credit for drafting Ovie ...or backstrom

He did turn Varlamov into Forsberg ...but then screwed thst up

John Carlson pick was a good trade

Kuznetsov and burakovski were good pics too

Drafted Holtby

I’m just not convinced that he is some genius here ...you give any GM enough time they will find a way to look both good and bad

I would love to see Vegas to win just to silence the ones who believe that you can only win the cup through the draft.
- VANTEL

And to prove you don't need a stud D or a true elite 1C

And to prove you don't need a stud D or a true elite 1C
- Brooks_Light

Seems like teams with a stud D and 1C typically win while the teams without those end up just finalist

Caps in 5

Grabner.
- A_SteamingLombardi

thought Grabner was a throw in for the trade, Florida let him walk

Seems like teams with a stud D and 1C typically win while the teams without those end up just finalist

Caps in 5
- Redmile247

Either way - its impressive that they've made it this far without both and they've bull dozed through LA, SJ and the Jets (all teams that do)

Point is a lot of people argue having a 1C and 1D is a must and they've clearly proving that to be bullSh&t

Either way - its impressive that they've made it this far without both and they've bull dozed through LA, SJ and the Jets (all teams that do)

Point is a lot of people argue having a 1C and 1D is a must and they've clearly proving that to be bullSh&t
- Brooks_Light

Look back though ...all the cup winners seem to have both ...there are cup losers who did too but they lost to teams with both a 1C and 1D

Teams have won without but only against teams who didn’t have both ...so basically you don’t need a 1C and 1D to win a cup if you get lucky enough to play another team that doesn’t have it as well ...but if they do your poop outta luck