I'd trade Brodie for Hoffman. I think they are pretty equivalent.
- The-O-G

Agree with this.

A "franchise" player in my mind is a player that you build your team around. A player that will lead your team (like Gio or Erik Karlsson). It's not just about scoring goals, it is about a player who gives his all every shift. A player who will carry the load for his team when it's needed. When you say the Calgary Flames, it is his face that you imagine representing his team. I'm sorry, but I just don't see that in Dougie. He's a great player with huge value to his team no doubt, but I don't see him as our "franchise" player like Iggy was for so many years. Just my opinion we can certainly agree to disagree.
- coishi

See, your thinking face of the franchise, not franchise player. No way in hell I want his dumb ass speaking for the team in public. But he is our projected #1 D of the future.

Gio is a good Captain to rein him in. Hopefully he will learn a thing or two while he grows up.

See, your thinking face of the franchise, not franchise player. No way in hell I want his dumb ass speaking for the team in public. But he is our projected #1 D of the future.

Gio is a good Captain to rein him in. Hopefully he will learn a thing or two while he grows up.
- Flamin_Irishmin

Ok, I can agree that he is the project #1D of the future, although he could potentially get a run for his money if Valimaki is as good as everyone seems to project. I didn't recognize the distinction between franchise player and face of the franchise, which I thought were essentially the same thing.

Ok, I can agree that he is the project #1D of the future, although he could potentially get a run for his money if Valimaki is as good as everyone seems to project. I didn't recognize the distinction between franchise player and face of the franchise, which I thought were essentially the same thing.
- coishi

I think teams have or should have more than 1 franchise player. Pitt have Crosby & Malkin. Crosby is the face of their franchise but Malkin is a franchise player.

Hamilton is a franchise Dman now & at his age, try to acquire a player like him? Gaudreau is also a franchise player. Gio, like Iggy, is the face of the franchise. The next face of the franchise in the not so distant future will be Matt Tkachuk.

I'd be down for a one for one. Andersson can take Brodie's spot and put Hoffman on the top line RW. I could live with that.

- Flamin_Irishmin

Yup, but I think Hoffman is a LW. Pretty sure he shoots left, if that matters. To GG it would of.

I think teams have or should have more than 1 franchise player. Pitt have Crosby & Malkin. Crosby is the face of their franchise but Malkin is a franchise player.

Hamilton is a franchise Dman now & at his age, try to acquire a player like him? Gaudreau is also a franchise player. Gio, like Iggy, is the face of the franchise. The next face of the franchise in the not so distant future will be Matt Tkachuk.
- Kevin R

I can't wait, but I can. Should make for an interesting dressing room and post game pressers tho

Yup, but I think Hoffman is a LW. Pretty sure he shoots left, if that matters. To GG it would of.
- Kevin R

Agreed, but markets really lacking in RW's so far.

Put Chucky on 1st line RW and Hoffman 2nd line LW?..

I know he's a winger but some of you guys are underrating Hoffman. Trading Brodie for him wouldn't be bad value at all, especially since part of the appeal of Brodie is his contract and Hoffman's contract is very similar.

So many other 24yr olds leading ALL Defence in scoring. Dime a dozen.
- Razzdazzle1

That's just straight up false no matter how you spin it. When you're talking about the scoring race, people mean points. He was 21st in points. He was tied in goals with Provorov and Hedman so he didn't lead ALL defence in goals either.

I'd rather have Mark Stone. He can join his brother here with the flames for Brodie and Kylington.

I'd rather have Mark Stone. He can join his brother here with the flames for Brodie and Kylington.
- zipfel

Stone would be ideal, but I highly doubt Ottawa trades him. If Brodie and Kylington get it done then Tre should absolutely pull the trigger, but I think Hoffman is definitely the more realistic target.

That's just straight up false no matter how you spin it. When you're talking about the scoring race, people mean points. He was 21st in points. He was tied in goals with Provorov and Hedman so he didn't lead ALL defence in goals either.
- Hunkulese

Uhh.. he wasn't on the first PP unit until the latter half of the season like your "comparable" defencemen either Hunk...

While you try to bring up good points you don't talk unless they're biased and skewd to your favour.

Your a coward. Simply put.

Hoffman is better than Drouin...
- forbetterorWORSE

You think? I dont. Hoffman is more established sure. But he's also much older.

You think? I dont. Hoffman is more established sure. But he's also much older.
- The-O-G

yeah, I'd prefer Drouin due to age(still think he's better than what he's shown so far in Montreal). But Hoffman is better right now, especially as a goal scorer. Legit 25 goal scorers are hard to come by these days

You think? I dont. Hoffman is more established sure. But he's also much older.
- The-O-G

I think that if were making a trade for a winger and by all accounts it doesn’t appear that it’s a deal breaker if the player plays left wing, I would rather us take a shot at Jeff Skinner. He’s played for a pretty bad team and still managed to put up big numbers.

Bennett + Gillies for Skinner (apparently they want a first for him)


Skinner, Money, Johnny (wonder how he would do on the right side?)

Uhh.. he wasn't on the first PP unit until the latter half of the season like your "comparable" defencemen either Hunk...

While you try to bring up good points you don't talk unless they're biased and skewd to your favour.

Your a coward. Simply put.
- Flamin_Irishmin

It sounds like you’re the one skewing the facts. Hunk pointed out how the statement wasn’t true. It wasn’t. End of discussion.

I think that if were making a trade for a winger and by all accounts it doesn’t appear that it’s a deal breaker if the player plays left wing, I would rather us take a shot at Jeff Skinner. He’s played for a pretty bad team and still managed to put up big numbers.

Bennett + Gillies for Skinner (apparently they want a first for him)


Skinner, Money, Johnny (wonder how he would do on the right side?)
- Yeah...Baby

Yeah I dunno...the problem with both Hoffman and Skinner is they are both small. I would like someone bigger for the 2 top 6 RW spots.

It sounds like you’re the one skewing the facts. Hunk pointed out how the statement wasn’t true. It wasn’t. End of discussion.
- fry

Are you hunk's burner account?

It sounds like you’re the one skewing the facts. Hunk pointed out how the statement wasn’t true. It wasn’t. End of discussion.
- fry

In all fairness Hamilton did not get on the 1st PP until like game 50. What would he have been able to put up had he got that extra PP time. Although, with Cameron running the PP, maybe not as much as one would think.

Agreed, but markets really lacking in RW's so far.

Put Chucky on 1st line RW and Hoffman 2nd line LW?..
- Flamin_Irishmin

The only thing is that to me, Backlund & Frolik are not top 6 but are excellent 3rd line shut down players who will contribute about 35-45 points each. Get that top 2 centre like RoR to move Tkachuk to & you have just addressed where some of your offence is going to come from. I just dont think Janko will be ready next year to be a top 6 centre. Hoffman with Backlund & Frolik would be a waste. Maybe move Chucky up with Monahan & Gaudreau & move Ferland with Backlund & Hoffman & leave Bennett with Janko & Frolik. I dont know. Either way, I wouldnt be upset if it was Brodie for Hoffman 1 for 1.

The only thing is that to me, Backlund & Frolik are not top 6 but are excellent 3rd line shut down players who will contribute about 35-45 points each. Get that top 2 centre like RoR to move Tkachuk to & you have just addressed where some of your offence is going to come from. I just dont think Janko will be ready next year to be a top 6 centre. Hoffman with Backlund & Frolik would be a waste. Maybe move Chucky up with Monahan & Gaudreau & move Ferland with Backlund & Hoffman & leave Bennett with Janko & Frolik. I dont know. Either way, I wouldnt be upset if it was Brodie for Hoffman 1 for 1.
- Kevin R

Neither would I. However the more I think about it I am not sure if Brodie will be moved untill they are sure that they are not creating a larger hole in the D.

It sounds like you’re the one skewing the facts. Hunk pointed out how the statement wasn’t true. It wasn’t. End of discussion.
- fry

I think you and Bunkulese are both missing the joke. I’m pretty sure Razz was referencing an idiotic comment made by a BUF fan in Ek’s ROR for Hamilton trade blog.

Neither would I. However the more I think about it I am not sure if Brodie will be moved untill they are sure that they are not creating a larger hole in the D.
- DuranDuran

At some point you need to take an educated risk. We have Ras ready to play a role in the D line up. He looked ready to me.
Our window is open and we need to make moves that solidify us as contenders.

At some point you need to take an educated risk. We have Ras ready to play a role in the D line up. He looked ready to me.
Our window is open and we need to make moves that solidify us as contenders.
- TandA4Flames

Rass might be ready along with one or two of our young D. If we're strickly looking at our D, I think it would make sense to move Stone to create room for a young player. Stone got caved in consistently and he really didn't bring much of anything. Moving Brodie would create a massive hole in our top 4 and I can't imagine BT is keen elevate any of our current D to the top 4.

At some point you need to take an educated risk. We have Ras ready to play a role in the D line up. He looked ready to me.
Our window is open and we need to make moves that solidify us as contenders.
- TandA4Flames

Dont rule out Valamaki. I think he is going to be the surprise of training camp & make this team, just need to make openings for him to make it.
I was thinking that Ottawa with the financial issues of their Owner are in a scenario similar to when we scooped Hamilton where they are vulnerable to an offer sheet on Stone. Add a 7 or 10 mill signing bonus & I doubt they match. Probably will net them a 1st, 2nd & 3rd. So how about offering them Brodie & a "lotto protected" 2019 1st for Stone. Better yet, I would offer them Bennett, Brodie Kylington & a lotto protected 1st for 2019 (would be attractive to them cause Colorado has their 2019 1st) for Stone & the #4 pick so we can get Brady.
Fun to dream & connive.