The is my biggest knock on JT if he leaves. That he leaves the fans with nothing. It would make him no better then any of these other greedy selfish players. He knows he has everyone by the balls. If he leaves everything that he stated about wanting to win here and that this a great place to be would all be bullsh!t. I would loose all respect for him. I would then hope he has little or no success moving forward. I would look for the Islanders to bury him and his new team every chance they could get.
- Nfdbulldawg[/quote

I get it. But If he leaves. (Im thinking he's leaving. Why else do you entertain offers from 5 Teams just before UFA arrives)

For every Isles fan he pissed off. He gains another Fan from his new team that will absolutely love him. He'll only have to visit LI a few times a year. So I doubt he will give a Rats A$$ what you, me or any other Isles fan thinks about him.

Mountains of Cash and a Deep PO run can easily soothe any hard feeling from former fans.

Its business not a popularity contest. In the end. JT will do whats best for JT. The money offered him from every team should be pretty similar. Its the intangibles that will sway JT.

Scenario 1 is that JT signs with an established po team, with low cap space for moderate money, and gives up his captaincy but enjoys the camaraderie of a more veteran team.

Scenario 2 is that he signs the mega deal with the Isles and they rely on his ability to lead the young players.

Scenario 3 is he signs a modest deal with the Isles and with the high cap space, they sign players like CDH, Perron, Neal, Lehner and others to build a vet roster poised to play for Trotz.

Scenario 1 is that JT signs with an established po team, with low cap space for moderate money, and gives up his captaincy but enjoys the camaraderie of a more veteran team.

Scenario 2 is that he signs the mega deal with the Isles and they rely on his ability to lead the young players.

Scenario 3 is he signs a modest deal with the Isles and with the high cap space, they sign players like CDH, Perron, Neal, Lehner and others to build a vet roster poised to play for Trotz.
- Fan101

I like scenario 3. I like JT, but not for $11M, he's not super elite IMO, let someone else pay him that BS contract. In fact Barzal had as many pts as a rookie (I realize a bit sheltered under JT), nonetheless, pretty impressive. Give me three $3.5M players to JT's $11 and we'll be in good shape. The Vegas model. If JT walks than that's on him. And I'm pissed that he put us through this bullpoop.

BTW, when echief, vukota, capt, and upstate coming back? I'm no regular writer, but I've been reading those guys for a long time and I like their banter. As a side note, I'm further upstate than upstate. Just sayin. He's actually more central state...but all you long island folk think upstate is Yonkers, lol...

I like scenario 3. I like JT, but not for $11M, he's not super elite IMO, let someone else pay him that BS contract. In fact Barzal had as many pts as a rookie (I realize a bit sheltered under JT), nonetheless, pretty impressive. Give me three $3.5M players to JT's $11 and we'll be in good shape. The Vegas model. If JT walks than that's on him. And I'm pissed that he put us through this bullpoop.

BTW, when echief, vukota, capt, and upstate coming back? I'm no regular writer, but I've been reading those guys for a long time and I like their banter. As a side note, I'm further upstate than upstate. Just sayin. He's actually more central state...but all you long island folk think upstate is Yonkers, lol...
- streaks

They'll be back when there's a real Isles writer. Not sure what happened to Noel, but at least he knew the Isles and hockey in general. I can't see this new guy lasting very long.

let's see if the private intelligence contractors from isles twitter can track JT's movement today.

They'll be back when there's a real Isles writer. Not sure what happened to Noel, but at least he knew the Isles and hockey in general. I can't see this new guy lasting very long.
- temmer29

You can find Noel on www.lighthousehockey.com

https://www.sbnation.com/users/Noel%20Fogelman

I like scenario 3. I like JT, but not for $11M, he's not super elite IMO, let someone else pay him that BS contract. In fact Barzal had as many pts as a rookie (I realize a bit sheltered under JT), nonetheless, pretty impressive. Give me three $3.5M players to JT's $11 and we'll be in good shape. The Vegas model. If JT walks than that's on him. And I'm pissed that he put us through this bullpoop.

BTW, when echief, vukota, capt, and upstate coming back? I'm no regular writer, but I've been reading those guys for a long time and I like their banter. As a side note, I'm further upstate than upstate. Just sayin. He's actually more central state...but all you long island folk think upstate is Yonkers, lol...
- streaks

When BD is gone or quits his Tanner-like trolling, condescending comments and narcissistic tendencies. That's when we'll be back.

I like scenario 3. I like JT, but not for $11M, he's not super elite IMO, let someone else pay him that BS contract. In fact Barzal had as many pts as a rookie (I realize a bit sheltered under JT), nonetheless, pretty impressive. Give me three $3.5M players to JT's $11 and we'll be in good shape. The Vegas model. If JT walks than that's on him. And I'm pissed that he put us through this bullpoop.

BTW, when echief, vukota, capt, and upstate coming back? I'm no regular writer, but I've been reading those guys for a long time and I like their banter. As a side note, I'm further upstate than upstate. Just sayin. He's actually more central state...but all you long island folk think upstate is Yonkers, lol...
- streaks

I'm in the southern tier but it's still upstate

I'm in the southern tier but it's still upstate
- Upstate_isles

I'm in the southern tier too. But a lot more southern.

Jesus did you put your kneepads on first
- Upstate_isles

All I said was write and stay away from rumors, cause nobody knows, and yes it was a quality piece whether you like it or not, do I agree with everything he does, no, but this was the kind of writing we could stand to have, I was simply emphasizing that point. I would rather come here for that kind of writing and the discussion it brings, then attacks that frankly take up way too much time and space, Ek provides enough BS rumors to attack.

Any agent that tells his client to leave 70+ mil on the table and to play for even a few months before he can negotiate an extension (just to get that money back on the extension) is a fool imo.

For what, an extra 3-4 mil in year one? 70+ mil he’ll never see if he suffers a career ending injury? All it takes is one massive shot to the head and he’d never get that money. That’s a hell of a gamble to get back into the same position he’s in now.

The leafs offering him a max one year deal was so they could give him less on the following extension to fit their rfa’s under the cap right? So why would he take that gamble just to make essentially what the Isles can offer him right now? He’d risk 70 mil to play in Toronto? Really? I think he'd tell them to offer him the same amount of money as the Isles over 7 years now, no one year deal.


**edit - if you're saying he'd just take the 7 year deal from the leafs over 8 from the isles, if the money is close then sure, I could see that. It's the one year deal and wait for the term on the extension I think is foolish.
- Isles_since_6

A few thoughts:

- the whole "Leafs offer one huge deal, then an 8 year deal the next year" thingy is at this point just wild speculation. There's no proof - or even a hint of proof - that the Leafs have offered that.

- having said that, if the offer is real, JT must decide what is best for JT, but I do know for a fact that AW would not do it, if I was in his position.

- there's also this notion that since the Islanders (or any other team in the same scenario) being able to offer an 8th year means more money to the player. That's not necessarily true. For many (and by many, I am mostly referring to a certain idiot Leafs poster), they are forgetting that the player isn't prevented from signing another contract in year 8. And in the case of JT, he may be better off financially signing a 7 year contract. It means the contract ends at age 34, not 35, giving teams greater flexibility when offering the next contract.

I think we've all reach the point of over-analysis on this one. I'll just be happy when he makes his decision/announcement, so we can all get back to arguing about what really matters: who are respective teams' fourth line centres will be next year.

A few thoughts:

- the whole "Leafs offer one huge deal, then an 8 year deal the next year" thingy is at this point just wild speculation. There's no proof - or even a hint of proof - that the Leafs have offered that.

- having said that, if the offer is real, JT must decide what is best for JT, but I do know for a fact that AW would not do it, if I was in his position.

- there's also this notion that since the Islanders (or any other team in the same scenario) being able to offer an 8th year means more money to the player. That's not necessarily true. For many (and by many, I am mostly referring to a certain idiot Leafs poster), they are forgetting that the player isn't prevented from signing another contract in year 8. And in the case of JT, he may be better off financially signing a 7 year contract. It means the contract ends at age 34, not 35, giving teams greater flexibility when offering the next contract.

I think we've all reach the point of over-analysis on this one. I'll just be happy when he makes his decision/announcement, so we can all get back to arguing about what really matters: who are respective teams' fourth line centres will be next year.
- Atomic Wedgie

So you think JT at age 34 will get the same amount of money he is being offered today? You think a 34 year old player whose production by this point will certainly start to decline will make $11 million a year? Um... yeah.. that's false.

My favorite bunch of horse poop out there is how much JT will save in taxes over the term of his contract. The "salary calculator" that TSN put out there was the biggest joke I have ever seen. They have him saving 20 mill by signing in Tampa? He is making more on a 7 year Deal in San jose than a 8 year one in NY. .. WHAT??

let's just do simple math for a minute. California is 13.25% at the high end of the tax bracket. NY is 8.65%.. the City of San Jose is another 8%.. How can he possibly make less signing in NY? If he signs for 7 years in Tampa he makes almost 20 mill more than if he signs 8 in NY. How is that possible? Even if you take 10% off his 11 mill a year that is 8 mill. How does he make less in 8 years at 11 mill a year than 7 at 11?

They took a formula for a person who makes 200k a year and plugged the same percentage into an 11 mill a year person. If you are paying 20K more in taxes on your house it's a huge deal for a person making 200k % wise. Not the guy making 11 mill a year. Same for Sales tax, food costs, etc. to apply the same % is absurd.

My favorite bunch of horse poop out there is how much JT will save in taxes over the term of his contract. The "salary calculator" that TSN put out there was the biggest joke I have ever seen. They have him saving 20 mill by signing in Tampa? He is making more on a 7 year Deal in San jose than a 8 year one in NY. .. WHAT??

let's just do simple math for a minute. California is 13.25% at the high end of the tax bracket. NY is 8.65%.. the City of San Jose is another 8%.. How can he possibly make less signing in NY? If he signs for 7 years in Tampa he makes almost 20 mill more than if he signs 8 in NY. How is that possible? Even if you take 10% off his 11 mill a year that is 8 mill. How does he make less in 8 years at 11 mill a year than 7 at 11?

They took a formula for a person who makes 200k a year and plugged the same percentage into an 11 mill a year person. If you are paying 20K more in taxes on your house it's a huge deal for a person making 200k % wise. Not the guy making 11 mill a year. Same for Sales tax, food costs, etc. to apply the same % is absurd.
- niteislander

I'm guessing the "tax calculator" also just relies on a simple calculation of income X rate - it doesn't factor in any kind of estate planning, tax shelters, etc.

I know BD gets a lot of grief around here, but does anyone follow Compton on Twitter? Guy has just been quote tweeting people asking if he has JT info and being a douche all morning

My favorite bunch of horse poop out there is how much JT will save in taxes over the term of his contract. The "salary calculator" that TSN put out there was the biggest joke I have ever seen. They have him saving 20 mill by signing in Tampa? He is making more on a 7 year Deal in San jose than a 8 year one in NY. .. WHAT??

let's just do simple math for a minute. California is 13.25% at the high end of the tax bracket. NY is 8.65%.. the City of San Jose is another 8%.. How can he possibly make less signing in NY? If he signs for 7 years in Tampa he makes almost 20 mill more than if he signs 8 in NY. How is that possible? Even if you take 10% off his 11 mill a year that is 8 mill. How does he make less in 8 years at 11 mill a year than 7 at 11?

They took a formula for a person who makes 200k a year and plugged the same percentage into an 11 mill a year person. If you are paying 20K more in taxes on your house it's a huge deal for a person making 200k % wise. Not the guy making 11 mill a year. Same for Sales tax, food costs, etc. to apply the same % is absurd.
- niteislander

I am no tax expert but I am certain that he can only claim the income generated playing home games in that state to have that tax rate. It is still a good deal but not as great as people think.

I know BD gets a lot of grief around here, but does anyone follow Compton on Twitter? Guy has just been quote tweeting people asking if he has JT info and being a douche all morning
- NYIDRIVE4FIVE

To be fair to Compton, he gets thousands of those and a lot of those takes are shatty.

- nyisles7

ek has isles speaking with reaves. go figure...

ek has isles speaking with reaves. go figure...
- ziggy_skalica

You don’t like Reaves?

- nyisles7

I’m hearing announcement tomorrow that John Tavares WILL NOT be signing a contract ext with the New York Islanders

IF Tavares moves on from the islanders Snow is the reason. He is the worst GM in hockey History.He ran this franchise into the ground. the damage he caused to this franchise is unreal.

I’m hearing announcement tomorrow that John Tavares WILL NOT be signing a contract ext with the New York Islanders
- Joey1724

source

I’m hearing announcement tomorrow that John Tavares WILL NOT be signing a contract ext with the New York Islanders
- Joey1724

Nuggets Joey

He’s staying announced tomorrow night

source
- Hockeyislife

A friend knows Garth’s assistant. Take it with a grain of salt but he’s given me info days b4 on other things that were true