Baloney Mahoney....bah who we kidding, you are Proctor on this topic.

If that were truly the case Ottawa could have easily called up some other GMs that tried and said hey member that deal, lets do it.

See what I did there?? made a baseless assumption. Check mate.
- mel_vin

But there weren't any because they knew Ottawa was desperate, Karlsson is a pending UFA (and some teams couldn't get him to agree to an extension) and there weren't actual good offers on the table to compare them to.

My.02 on Nylander hold out.
I think in his heart the kid wants to be a centre.
JT signing here basically killed that dream in Toronto.
He's saying the all right things publicly But I suspect Willie may be trying to force a trade.
- StevieBoy

Time to start the auction. I think that the Leafs have too much money tied up in future contracts for Marner, Matthews and Tavares, to add another high end contract to the forward ranks. Possibly, if Nylander wants to take a two year bridge deal, until Marleau's deal runs out, in two years, he might get his money. If not, time to put the money into a top 2 defenseman, to go with Rielly. Still need to move Gardiner. We can't win a Championship, with him on the roster.

But there weren't any because they knew Ottawa was desperate, Karlsson is a pending UFA (and some teams couldn't get him to agree to an extension) and there weren't actual good offers on the table to compare them to.
- Unholy_Goalie

UG2 or is this a UG1. I dunno

Why just 2016/17?
- walshyleafsfan

2015/2016 - 131 goals for, 115 against
2014/2015 - 131 goals for, 85 against
2013/2014 - 122 goals for, 117 against
2011/2012 - 135 goals for, 85 against

Always more for than against but usually more against when the team is poop and since it's Ottawa, it was often. 15-20 GA because of PK time which he'd have less of with Hainsey eating up so many minutes. Last year was because of the bad team, not because he's bad.

But there weren't any because they knew Ottawa was desperate, Karlsson is a pending UFA (and some teams couldn't get him to agree to an extension) and there weren't actual good offers on the table to compare them to.
- Unholy_Goalie

What hurt Ottawa's return were the reports that Karlsson turned down their contract extension. Can we please drop it now though?

Time to start the auction. I think that the Leafs have too much money tied up in future contracts for Marner, Matthews and Tavares, to add another high end contract to the forward ranks. Possibly, if Nylander wants to take a two year bridge deal, until Marleau's deal runs out, in two years, he might get his money. If not, time to put the money into a top 2 defenseman, to go with Rielly. Still need to move Gardiner. We can't win a Championship, with him on the roster.
- PrinceLH

Gards needs to go, agree on that.

As for Willie, maybe, as Centeres generally get more money...but I think this is all cap circumvention. Willie will be signed in December. Big cap hit this year, not as painful the rest of the term. The hired the guy who helped write up cap and are going to exploit any loophole found.

What hurt Ottawa's return were the reports that Karlsson turned down their contract extension. Can we please drop it now though?
- PatC80

Im done, and happy that we didnt land him, so yes, moving on

What hurt Ottawa's return were the reports that Karlsson turned down their contract extension. Can we please drop it now though?
- PatC80

Pretty sure I included that as part of the reason and because most teams couldn't give him the extension he wanted which is why San Jose got him because they're okay with either scenario but probably because they're just waiting for the deadline so they can give him 8 years.

Leafs could totally fit 3 11m cap hits, and an 8.5m cap hit. Who cares if 4 players take more than half the cap.
- Steven_Seagull

people people (and birds) be kind... if you had hit your head that often on the bumpers of parked cars, and had inhaled that many spores in Mom's basement... you be somewhat mentally limited as well...



on second thought... don't worry about it... its before 1am and therefore the trolls shouldn't be up above ground level

Pretty sure I included that as part of the reason and because most teams couldn't give him the extension he wanted which is why San Jose got him because they're okay with either scenario but probably because they're just waiting for the deadline so they can give him 8 years.
- Unholy_Goalie

can you refer us to the first time you explained this to all of us... and I want the exact quote.

2015/2016 - 131 goals for, 115 against
2014/2015 - 131 goals for, 85 against
2013/2014 - 122 goals for, 117 against

Always more for than against but usually more against when the team is poop and since it's Ottawa, it was often. Last year was because of the bad team, not because he's bad.
- Unholy_Goalie

Now take out the PP goals as we won't struggle in that regard.

If we're trading Nylander, Gardiner and a 1st for a supposed top pair RHD to solve our defense issues, we don't want a guy who only puts up decent defensive outputs when he's on a great team and has an excuse of well it was a poor team.

We don't need a puck moving rover, we have plenty. If we trade that package for a guy that we then need to trade to give him help, it's a stupid idea.


Either way, I don't know why we're arguing this again. Ottawa would never trade him to the Leafs. It's a moot point.

Gards needs to go, agree on that.

As for Willie, maybe, as Centeres generally get more money...but I think this is all cap circumvention. Willie will be signed in December. Big cap hit this year, not as painful the rest of the term. The hired the guy who helped write up cap and are going to exploit any loophole found.
- mel_vin

I would suggest that Gardiner should be moved asap for a more reliable less brain fart prone player... such as Joel Edmundson if possible.

other options

Matheson (Florida)
Schmidt(Vegas)
Demers(Arizona) + Perlini

just spit balling

Now take out the PP goals as we won't struggle in that regard.
- walshyleafsfan

Nope because that's absolutely a huge advantage. Gives Rielly time to focus on his defense and the PK. Karlsson is way better offensively than Rielly.

If we're trading Nylander, Gardiner and a 1st for a supposed top pair RHD to solve our defense issues, we don't want a guy who only puts up decent defensive outputs when he's on a great team and has an excuse of well it was a poor team.

The defensemen control the game now and if you trade Nylander you absolutely want a guy who controls the puck and the game and not a guy who is reactionary to the play. The game is about puck possession and control, not about a slug like Polak who is a "defensive" player who chases the play the whole game instead of controlling it.

We don't need a puck moving rover, we have plenty. If we trade that package for a guy that we then need to trade to give him help, it's a stupid idea.

Gardiner is gone, so no, you don't have "plenty".

Either way, I don't know why we're arguing this again. Ottawa would never trade him to the Leafs. It's a moot point.

They would if the Leafs made the best offer, they just didn't.

Now take out the PP goals as we won't struggle in that regard.

If we're trading Nylander, Gardiner and a 1st for a supposed top pair RHD to solve our defense issues, we don't want a guy who only puts up decent defensive outputs when he's on a great team and has an excuse of well it was a poor team.

We don't need a puck moving rover, we have plenty. If we trade that package for a guy that we then need to trade to give him help, it's a stupid idea.


Either way, I don't know why we're arguing this again. Ottawa would never trade him to the Leafs. It's a moot point.
- walshyleafsfan

Agreed. I want us to target Trouba or Pesce or even Pulock on the Islanders

Nashville looking for a first line C doesn't mean it was obvious that Seth Jones was on the block.
- Unholy_Goalie

Sure just skip the other example you provided.

Nope because that's absolutely a huge advantage. Gives Rielly time to focus on his defense and the PK. Karlsson is way better offensively than Rielly.



The defensemen control the game now and if you trade Nylander you absolutely want a guy who controls the puck and the game and not a guy who is reactionary to the play. The game is about puck possession and control, not about a slug like Polak who is a "defensive" player who chases the play the whole game instead of controlling it.



Gardiner is gone, so no, you don't have "plenty".




They would if the Leafs made the best offer, they just didn't.
- Unholy_Goalie

They absolutely wouldn't. Do you ever sit there and think," (frank) me, literally no one agrees with me, I may not have the right idea?". Like it's not even an 80-20 split. Do you honestly believe every single person here is wrong, and you are correct?


It's very reminiscent of Howard Berger and Spatso.

Sure just skip the other example you provided.
- Archaic

If we had another 4th line winger over 30, we could trade him to the Isles for Pulock.

They absolutely wouldn't. Do you ever sit there and think," (frank) me, literally no one agrees with me, I may not have the right idea?". Like it's not even an 80-20 split. Do you honestly believe every single person here is wrong, and you are correct?


It's very reminiscent of Howard Berger and Spatso.
- walshyleafsfan

every single person on this website is an idiot except him

If the offer was good enough, of course they would have.

Get over that.
- Unholy_Goalie

No.
They wouldnt have.

Came across a proposal someone tossed out and kinda liked the target of it...

Manson from the Ducks.

Young physical and Ducks do have a lot of young potential in their system. They also can really use some help up front.

Might have to send a dman back but could always put together a couple players etc...

Least that way too over a guy like Pesce, Nylander can't come back to haunt us too bad at all!

They absolutely wouldn't. Do you ever sit there and think," (frank) me, literally no one agrees with me, I may not have the right idea?". Like it's not even an 80-20 split. Do you honestly believe every single person here is wrong, and you are correct?


It's very reminiscent of Howard Berger and Spatso.
- walshyleafsfan

Once upon a time, everybody here thought the Kessel deal was wicked amazing awesome, that fighting for 8th place was totally the right thing to do and tanking was the worst thing to do. And here we are today with the Leafs finally having tanked, drafted high and doing things exactly like I said they should and everybody pretending like they were saying it all along.

So no, I don't give a poop that you're disagreeing with me.

Came across a proposal someone tossed out and kinda liked the target of it...

Manson from the Ducks.

Young physical and Ducks do have a lot of young potential in their system. They also can really use some help up front.

Might have to send a dman back but could always put together a couple players etc...

Least that way too over a guy like Pesce, Nylander can't come back to haunt us too bad at all!
- Roadrunner75

Better off going after Lindholm if Anaheim is the team being dealt with.

No.
They wouldnt have.
- Fakepartofme

Just like they will go sign Lehtonen and Vermette cause we have cap space, and they like the taxes!!

every single person on this website is an idiot except him
- daeth

Why stop at just the website? GM’s and coaches can make mistakes, but not UG. Nope. Never.

Came across a proposal someone tossed out and kinda liked the target of it...

Manson from the Ducks.

Young physical and Ducks do have a lot of young potential in their system. They also can really use some help up front.

Might have to send a dman back but could always put together a couple players etc...

Least that way too over a guy like Pesce, Nylander can't come back to haunt us too bad at all!
- Roadrunner75

Manson would be good too. I don't think it would cost us Nylander either.
Maybe, Manson for Brown, Leivo and Bracco. Good young players that the Ducks can have cost control over