Location: The East Coast Dump, NJ Joined: 10.12.2015
Nov 28 @ 12:04 PM ET
Does moving them make the team better now or worse? - MJL
Do you know the deals that were talked about? Holmgren should know or should have asked. If there is a deal that he felt could have improved the team and wasn't made without mortgaging the future.
Do you know the deals that were talked about? Holmgren should know or should have asked. If there is a deal that he felt could have improved the team and wasn't made without mortgaging the future. - dragonoffrost
If the deal was, for instance, Morgan Frost for Connor McDavid (omg hyperbole), then yes, it would help both now and in the future.
If, on the other hand, the deal was Morgan Frost for Ryan Reaves, that MAY help marginally now but not in the future.
A competent GM should be able to analyze things like this and be willing to entertain trades that include picks and prospects.
Location: The East Coast Dump, NJ Joined: 10.12.2015
Nov 28 @ 12:11 PM ET
If the deal was, for instance, Morgan Frost for Connor McDavid (omg hyperbole), then yes, it would help both now and in the future.
If, on the other hand, the deal was Morgan Frost for Ryan Reaves, that MAY help marginally now but not in the future.
A competent GM should be able to analyze things like this and be willing to entertain trades that include picks and prospects. - jmatchett383
But it seems that Hextall wasn't willing to do a move that Holmgren thought could help without mortgaging the future. Along with Saturdays embarassment on US and Canadian National TV and the conistency of inconsistency .. Good by GM Hextall.
I wonder if Holmgren will ask the new GM to circle the wagons on what ever the move was.
But it seems that Hextall wasn't willing to do a move that Holmgren thought could help without mortgaging the future. Along with Saturdays embarassment on US and Canadian National TV... Good by GM Hextall. - dragonoffrost
Again, it depends on what the deal was. I get building through the draft, but you can't have tunnel vision to the point that you are unwilling to sacrifice them no matter what.
Do you know the deals that were talked about? Holmgren should know or should have asked. If there is a deal that he felt could have improved the team and wasn't made without mortgaging the future. - dragonoffrost
I have no idea.
Here is something for conversation purposes. Could the Flyers have put a better package together for Karlsson than the SJ deal?
If the deal was, for instance, Morgan Frost for Connor McDavid (omg hyperbole), then yes, it would help both now and in the future.
If, on the other hand, the deal was Morgan Frost for Ryan Reaves, that MAY help marginally now but not in the future.
A competent GM should be able to analyze things like this and be willing to entertain trades that include picks and prospects. - jmatchett383
I think Hextall was willing to entertain trades that include picks and prospects. As long as the return was for the future and not just for now. He likely didn't make any of those deals because he didn't find one he liked. It's clear to me that Holmgren and Scott wanted Hextall to give up part of the future to better the team now.
Thats where Hextalls vision of building not only a Cup winner but a sustainable team capable of contending over a.significant period of time comes in. An important nuance. - MJL
Reminds me of the USSR- there was The Plan for the Bright Future some time soon (or later), meanwhile there were no sufficient food, goods, services since everything was considered to be committed to The Plan.
Location: The East Coast Dump, NJ Joined: 10.12.2015
Nov 28 @ 12:21 PM ET
I think Hextall was willing to entertain trades that include picks and prospects. As long as the return was for the future and not just for now. He likely didn't make any of those deals because he didn't find one he liked. It's clear to me that Holmgren and Scott wanted Hextall to give up part of the future to better the team now. - MJL
If you were running a business and you saw a lot of your product being resold at 1/4 the original purchase price would you be happy, especially when the product being resold is on you have a customer who is pretty much a yearly buying customer? That screams if it continues you are going to lose that customer. A fix in the current product is needed. They sold the people on a plan (5 years to turn this thing around and see progress). It's year 5 and there is no progress.
Reminds me of the USSR- there was The Plan for the Bright Future some time soon (or later), meanwhile there were no sufficient food, goods, services since everything was considered to be committed to The Plan. - missingmike
If you were running a business and you saw a lot of your product being resold at 1/4 the original purchase price would you be happy, especially when the product being resold is on you have a customer who is pretty much a yearly buying customer? That screams if it continues you are going to lose that customer. A fix in the current product is needed. They sold the people on a plan (5 years to turn this thing around and see progress). It's year 5 and there is no progress. - dragonoffrost
I understand the business aspect. I don't know where you're getting the 5 year time frame from.
You really do enjoy being baited, don't you? - jmatchett383
He wasn't baited. It's a legitimate conversation involving a player that could make the Flyers better now. iI's also feasible with the assets the Flyers have that they could've put together a package better than SJ gave up. It also fits the current topic. Not to mention that it's a far better topic than many of the condescending and sarcastic offer from others that need not be named that don't contribute in any positive manner.
He wasn't baited. It's a legitimate conversation involving a player that could make the Flyers better now. iI's also feasible with the assets the Flyers have that they could've put together a package better than SJ gave up. It also fits the current topic. Not to mention that it's a far better topic than many of the condescending and sarcastic offer from others that need not be named that don't contribute in any positive manner. - MJL
I didn't even read this, because you know exactly what you're doing.
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Nov 28 @ 1:15 PM ET
I’ve skimmed through some of the comments and I’m pretty much missing the point on every comment made.
The Flyers have a pretty impressive crop coming through the pipeline. We can thank Hextall for this but for every trade made for picks and prospects is the equivalent of buying a lottery ticket. Hextall hasn’t taken many shots on a sure thing to make the product on the ice better now. Maybe he couldn’t. In the top six you have Giroux, Voracek, van Riemsdyk, Couturier, Patrick and Konecny. These are the guys carrying the load. These are guys you don’t want to get rid of. In the bottom six, including depth, you have Weal, Lehtera, Weise and Raffl. This garbage I’m willing to bet nobody wants. Mix them with Simmonds, Laughton and Lindblom who like good players but they’re stuck playing with in garbage.
The point I’m trying to make within my rambling is, this is a bad mix that either nobody wants to take off our hands or Hextall didn’t care enough about today as he did tomorrow.
