Personally, I think the unyeilding angle is a bunch of crap . That's just the spin nonsense they came up with.
- MJL

I suspect like everything else, that the answers lie some place in the middle.

Your Quote above:

"Hextalls plan was always about time. It was taking too long for them.

I'm not interested in fool's gold."

I take that as saying results now are just fools gold because the real payout is down the road?

And if that is what your saying I agree. But you can't keep selling that if your team currently isn't showing growth but actually look to be regressing. And you don't show ANY flexibility in your plan. Not deviating from it. Just flexibility in it.
- J35Bacher

Your statement that I'm glossing over results was wrong.

Hextall was right to not change his plan. I wouldn't have either.
- MJL

Yes, we know.

Your statement that I'm glossing over results was wrong.
- MJL

So what's fools gold?

Making the playoffs? Making the playoffs and winning a round?

I don't know what you mean by fools good. That seems to me to be that results now don't matter because the future is where the pay day is.

I doubt Hextall was any different from day 1. This is about business and a lack of patience.
- MJL

Patience....well that's an assumption on your part right? Depends on what the timeline for being a good team was when the plan was set out and if Hextall and management agreed on the current status or progress.

So what's fools gold?

Making the playoffs? Making the playoffs and winning a round?

I don't know what you mean by fools good. That seems to me to be that results now don't matter because the future is where the pay day is.
- J35Bacher

"It's all irrelevant and hyperbole."

Hextall was right to not change his plan. I wouldn't have either.
- MJL

Then you would be out on your ass with your convictions still in tact.

Joe, Lombardi is out of the running by his choice. He does not want to be the GM
- MJL

Even tho he’s already working for them?..

Even tho he’s already working for them?..
- JoeRussomanno

Yes. They talked to him and he declined.

Even tho he’s already working for them?..
- JoeRussomanno

Yes. Holmgren stated they want to go outside the organization for a fresh look.

Yes. They talked to him and he declined.
- jmatchett383

I wonder if getting someone outside the organization is also because Holmgren wonders if the prospects that Hextalls has are really as good as he seemed to think they were?

I mean we all see the rankings. But maybe there were some guys that Hextall overvalued?

Hextalls plan was always about time. It was taking too long for them.

I'm not interested in fool's gold.
- MJL

Hextall said he had a 5 year plan. This was year 5 and there was little to no improvement. He had his quarter season review with Homer and Scott and was asked to make changes like any employee would be asked. He refused. GOOD BYE!

Hextall was right to not change his plan. I wouldn't have either.
- MJL

Changing the plan is different the adjusting the plan.

I get the impression that there was to be no deviation from the timeline he had in his mind. Current product on the ice be damned.

The higher ups, and rightfully so, were not willing to watch the fanbase rebel, and revenue go down, because Hexy didn't want to trade to upgrade the team NOW. When everyone and their mother in law saw that we had plenty of assets to do so without even coming remotely close to gutting the system.

What point is having the assets if you aren't going to use some to fix holes?

I agree with Hexy's overall vision. in year 1, 2, and even 3. Get rid of bad contracts, build up the system, clear the cap space. All great goals.

But now its year 5 and the team has clearly taken a step back. Only an incompetent commander sees his plan failing or faltering and refuses to make adjustments based on the current info at hand. His superiors (and I would venture to guess those under him as well) asked him to make some adjustments. And he failed to address the teams two most pressing needs. Goalie, and 3C.

The facts speak for themselves. There is patience, and then there is stubbornness.

You gotta be patient remember?
- JoeRussomanno

Big Joe! Wha't the good word? I'm not for reckless rental trades to plug holes that was a Holmgren specialty. But Hextall was too passive for my liking. He did a good job drafting, but free agency/trade wise he had to be more aggressive.

i was sitting there and with 10 mins left in the game a bunch of people got up and headed to the exits. I turned to my friend and said why are people going, its only a 2 goal game.....boom 3-2. I turned to my friend and said i would be nice if they don't collapse at this point. 4-3. just so scripted. when it was 3-1 I was just so happy for Stolaz. I really want to see the kid take the net and run with it. I actually don't blame him for goals 2, 3 and esp 4. that was just a ridiculous play but still 4 goals against. How do you cleanly win a faceoff (Giroux) and still somehow turn the puck over and have it end up in the net? So careless and infuriating.

Can we please stop with Weise on the second line? the guy has been playing well and I am glad but for the love of god he can't be on the 2nd line. I wanted Weal back and I still think it was worth re-signing him because all you had to lose was a roster spot but please please please no more Weal on the 3rd line. Laughton has played so well and has produced all while mostly on the 4th line. Hasn't he earned a shot at 3C? Lindblom...please move him back with Patrick and Voracek. I don't get it, he seemed to play well enough then sad some shift. why? Coots had the puck at the hash marks and passes to a covered player. *sigh*.

So what's fools gold?

Making the playoffs? Making the playoffs and winning a round?

I don't know what you mean by fools good. That seems to me to be that results now don't matter because the future is where the pay day is.
- J35Bacher

Hextall didn't just want to build a contending team. He wanted to build a contending team that was sustainable over a considerable amount of time.
I have no doubt that Hextall or another GM could make trades to make the team better now and escalate the teams growth. That normally comes with older players and higher contracts. They may even catch lightening in a bottle like the Hurricanes team did or to a lesser extent the 2010 Flyers team did. As we saw, that was not sustainable. This organization tried that under Holmgren for a lot of years. They were good but not good enough. They'll be more exciting to watch and the ticket sales will be better.
When they hired Hextall they knew what he wanted to do. What his plan was. What his philosophy was. I don't think a GM should be given an indefinite amount of time but I think they lost patience too soon. If you're able to draft players like Matthews, Laine that jump right in and become top players, the team can advance quicker. Most young players take considerable time to develop. Players like Patrick and Sanheim are still in their infancy of NHL development.

Reading b/t the lines a bit from Homer in the transcript... where he says he's not willing to comment on proprietary info... to me that means they had an opportunity at some point to make a trade (that probably included Flyers prospects), to make an immediate impact to the team that Homer thought was a good deal & Hexy squashed it.

Nylander?

i was sitting there and with 10 mins left in the game a bunch of people got up and headed to the exits. I turned to my friend and said why are people going, its only a 2 goal game.....boom 3-2. I turned to my friend and said i would be nice if they don't collapse at this point. 4-3. just so scripted. when it was 3-1 I was just so happy for Stolaz. I really want to see the kid take the net and run with it. I actually don't blame him for goals 2, 3 and esp 4. that was just a ridiculous play but still 4 goals against. How do you cleanly win a faceoff (Giroux) and still somehow turn the puck over and have it end up in the net? So careless and infuriating.

Can we please stop with Weise on the second line? the guy has been playing well and I am glad but for the love of god he can't be on the 2nd line. I wanted Weal back and I still think it was worth re-signing him because all you had to lose was a roster spot but please please please no more Weal on the 3rd line. Laughton has played so well and has produced all while mostly on the 4th line. Hasn't he earned a shot at 3C? Lindblom...please move him back with Patrick and Voracek. I don't get it, he seemed to play well enough then sad some shift. why? Coots had the puck at the hash marks and passes to a covered player. *sigh*.
- nastyflyergirl

Why not just fire Hakstol now and get Quenneville in here before another opportunity arises for him. Is there really a GM who would refuse to take the job if Quenneville was already in place?

I was looking for a franchise shiffting move that can still help now. And I keep coming back to Edmonton because it feels like two teams that need that. I know he is young but I think he, probably explaining it wrong, overrated but I think would still help this franchise moving forward.

Would you package Voracek, Frost, Sanheim for Draisaitl? Maybe take back a deal like Lucic to facilitate something like that?

Throwing it out there to you since you because I think we both feel a bigger move is needed not just 4th line tweaks anymore.
- J35Bacher

I know I'm very late but I just had to comment and say this is probably the worst trade proposal I've ever seen. This trade would single handily turn Chiarellis career around and keep him in the NHL for another decade.

Why not just fire Hakstol now and get Quenneville in here before another opportunity arises for him. Is there really a GM who would refuse to take the job if Quenneville was already in place?
- PLindbergh31

Dude, what makes you think Quennville wants to coach this team, especially since he's still making a nice chunk of cash to NOT coach Chicago. Maybe the dude wants to take some time off for the first time in 20 years. He's not under obligation to take the job just because they offer it to him.

Hextall didn't just want to build a contending team. He wanted to build a contending team that was sustainable over a considerable amount of time.
I have no doubt that Hextall or another GM could make trades to make the team better now and escalate the teams growth. That normally comes with older players and higher contracts. They may even catch lightening in a bottle like the Hurricanes team did or to a lesser extent the 2010 Flyers team did. As we saw, that was not sustainable. This organization tried that under Holmgren for a lot of years. They were good but not good enough. They'll be more exciting to watch and the ticket sales will be better.
When they hired Hextall they knew what he wanted to do. What his plan was. What his philosophy was. I don't think a GM should be given an indefinite amount of time but I think they lost patience too soon. If you're able to draft players like Matthews, Laine that jump right in and become top players, the team can advance quicker. Most young players take considerable time to develop. Players like Patrick and Sanheim are still in their infancy of NHL development.
- MJL

Pretty much sums it up.

Why not just fire Hakstol now and get Quenneville in here before another opportunity arises for him. Is there really a GM who would refuse to take the job if Quenneville was already in place?
- PLindbergh31

We are moaning about Hextall forcing coaches on Hakstol but yet you want to force a HC on and incoming GM. You could have Toe Blake come back from the dead and be head coach and a new GM will still want HIS GUY.

Big Joe! Wha't the good word? I'm not for reckless rental trades to plug holes that was a Holmgren specialty. But Hextall was too passive for my liking. He did a good job drafting, but free agency/trade wise he had to be more aggressive.
- PLindbergh31

Coach hiring killed him. The situation in net is worse than ever. Can remain patient and do certain things to put a respectable product on the ice. Should have brought in Joel Q when he got axed.

Yes. They talked to him and he declined.
- jmatchett383

That’s what homer said.

Why not just fire Hakstol now and get Quenneville in here before another opportunity arises for him. Is there really a GM who would refuse to take the job if Quenneville was already in place?
- PLindbergh31

That's assuming he is willing. At this point of his career he is choosing a team, not the other way around.
He is also under contract for another year and might be considering spending it with the family.
But I truly wish Flyers would get him.