I caught him in Victoria this year, I really think he looks confident and could turn heads in camp next year. He'll be pushing the other kids for a spot I think. Hopefully next year our depth d is young guys ready to step in and grow, it will be much easier than Pou and Biega. If they let Edler walk, I think Woo has a very legit shot.
- neem55

I think Woo shoots right so we still might need some help on the left side.

That's what this bitter cold snap is, you heeding my advice.

For the record, I've never lost a hockeybuzz hockey bet which is more then I can say for most on here.

Do the math in regards to what an average top 6 player brings, 6 per team, 31 teams.

31 x 6 = 186 top 6 players in the nhl.

Go to last year's stats and look at what the players ranked in either goals or points scored, between players 93 and 186.

Ranked by points, 2nd line players scored between 51 and 33 points

Ranked by goals, 2nd line players scored between 22 and 14 goals

Those are the actual points/ goals scored by the players ranked in 93 to 186 spots, you know the second lines.

Jake , by those numbers, is capable of being an average 2nd liner and should be an above average 2nd liner on his prime.
- Pres.cup

Not one IF.

That's what this bitter cold snap is, you heeding my advice.

For the record, I've never lost a hockeybuzz hockey bet which is more then I can say for most on here.

Do the math in regards to what an average top 6 player brings, 6 per team, 31 teams.

31 x 6 = 186 top 6 players in the nhl.

Go to last year's stats and look at what the players ranked in either goals or points scored, between players 93 and 186.

Ranked by points, 2nd line players scored between 51 and 33 points

Ranked by goals, 2nd line players scored between 22 and 14 goals

Those are the actual points/ goals scored by the players ranked in 93 to 186 spots, you know the second lines.

Jake , by those numbers, is capable of being an average 2nd liner and should be an above average 2nd liner on his prime.
- Pres.cup

Good research

Who said that?
- Marwood

You said the rebuild began 2 years ago Jake was drafted 5 drafts ago

You said the rebuild began 2 years ago Jake was drafted 5 drafts ago
- VANTEL

Did I say trade him?

In case you forgot what you said.

So Jake is not part of the rebuild good lets trade him

I think Woo shoots right so we still might need some help on the left side.
- hillbillydeluxe

i didn't mean to take Edler's spot directly, we have no shortage of lefties and Woo is one of very few (do we even have any other?!) righty prospect d and so is another reason he could squeek on in the bottom pair.

Did I say trade him?

In case you forgot what you said.

So Jake is not part of the rebuild good lets trade him
- Marwood

I guess you didn't because if you did suggest trading him everyone would have the hair on their back up .

You know how this fan base loves their third liners and back up goalies.

That's what this bitter cold snap is, you heeding my advice.

For the record, I've never lost a hockeybuzz hockey bet which is more then I can say for most on here.

Do the math in regards to what an average top 6 player brings, 6 per team, 31 teams.

31 x 6 = 186 top 6 players in the nhl.

Go to last year's stats and look at what the players ranked in either goals or points scored, between players 93 and 186.

Ranked by points, 2nd line players scored between 51 and 33 points

Ranked by goals, 2nd line players scored between 22 and 14 goals

Those are the actual points/ goals scored by the players ranked in 93 to 186 spots, you know the second lines.

Jake , by those numbers, is capable of being an average 2nd liner and should be an above average 2nd liner on his prime.
- Pres.cup

Point 1 ) I would never bet you in a HB bet . If I lose you get bragging rights that you beat the stubborn old know it all. If I win I beat the village idiot. It is like winning a school yard fight against a 6 year old.

Secondly you numbers may work but that is the average and it includes a lot of lower end numbers from bottom teams .

If your goal is to have your team producing at lower end numbers then you got me there . If the idea is to produce at higher end team numbers then go back and redo your math.

Oh him, you're right, that guy is an expert, I would never disagree with.... the other guy.

Come on man, you're better then this.
- Pres.cup

I got news for you. I don't know your name either so I guess you have as much credibility as The Other Guy

Point 1 ) I would never bet you in a HB bet . If I lose you get bragging rights that you beat the stubborn old know it all. If I win I beat the village idiot. It is like winning a school yard fight against a 6 year old.

Secondly you numbers may work but that is the average and it includes a lot of lower end numbers from bottom teams .

If your goal is to have your team producing at lower end numbers then you got me there . If the idea is to produce at higher end team numbers then go back and redo your math.
- VANTEL

Firstly... true beating you in a bet would bring me the same joy and credibility as winning a foot race against a paraplegic

Secondly, that isn't the average, it's the range from the best 2nd liner, 22G 55P to the worst 2nd liner, 14G 33P.
Virtanen is on pace to be a better player then the worst second liner in point production, this year. To be an average he'll need to hit 18G and 44 points, anything over that and he's above average.
His ATOI to point ratio indicates that he's an average to anyone average 2nd liner in terms of point production, if he's given those minutes.

I think we'd all be happy to have him producing as an above average 2nd liner in his prime, which by shl metrics he's already doing.

He's only 22, not in his prime yet and the math indicates he's exactly what you want him to be.
I like Fabro but wouldn't trade Jake for him unless I took the time to research Fabro more, which i'm not going to do.

Comparing him to Hansen is not appropriate, comparing him to Neely isn't appropriate.

Compare him to players who produce similar results at similar cap hits and you'll see he's doing a good job.

I got news for you. I don't know your name either so I guess you have as much credibility as The Other Guy
- VANTEL

Also true, I still find it funny that you quoted an expert but then called him the other guy....

Don't call people Experts if you don't know their name.

Thanks Carol

Gotta get that PP going, it is the difference in these games. Petey scores on that breakaway the blog looks different. They were the better team for most of this road trip, keep playing this way, they look like the team before that 4 game stretch before the break.
- Bettmanhatesus

They were just really unlucky, four games in a row.

Firstly... true beating you in a bet would bring me the same joy and credibility as winning a foot race against a paraplegic

Secondly, that isn't the average, it's the range from the best 2nd liner, 22G 55P to the worst 2nd liner, 14G 33P.
Virtanen is on pace to be a better player then the worst second liner in point production, this year. To be an average he'll need to hit 18G and 44 points, anything over that and he's above average.
His ATOI to point ratio indicates that he's an average to anyone average 2nd liner in terms of point production, if he's given those minutes.

I think we'd all be happy to have him producing as an above average 2nd liner in his prime, which by shl metrics he's already doing.

He's only 22, not in his prime yet and the math indicates he's exactly what you want him to be.
I like Fabro but wouldn't trade Jake for him unless I took the time to research Fabro more, which i'm not going to do.

Comparing him to Hansen is not appropriate, comparing him to Neely isn't appropriate.

Compare him to players who produce similar results at similar cap hits and you'll see he's doing a good job.
- Pres.cup

That sounds like an IF

Oh him, you're right, that guy is an expert, I would never disagree with.... the other guy.

Come on man, you're better then this.
- Pres.cup

If you read a little more carefully I called the people in here experts . Not the broadcasters

With all the talk lately about food court Chinese food, I couldn't get it out of my mind. So I've just ordered a feast. Can't wait. I'm going to look like Buddha when I'm done. Nice and round...

That sounds like an IF
- VANTEL

A lot of words just for an IF.

i didn't mean to take Edler's spot directly, we have no shortage of lefties and Woo is one of very few (do we even have any other?!) righty prospect d and so is another reason he could squeek on in the bottom pair.
- neem55

Edler goes down and we have a shortage of nhl ready lefties

I was just looking for opportunities for defensive prospects. the problem is we don't have any defensive prospects in Utica that are obviously ready for the nhl.

and though I'm intrigued by Woo, I don't want to rush him. and still can't wait to see him in camp next season.

Hughes shouldn't be rushed but with his skating, hopefully he has the skill set to play

trying to be patient but it takes too long.

- A_SteamingLombardi

That sounds like an IF
- VANTEL

All he needs is 14g or 33 points to technically be a 2nd liner.

He has 12g and 22 points in 55 games this season

I don't think it's a strech to say he should be able to score 2 goals and 8 assists in the next 27 games.

Not a big if but more of a when, that's he'll be a legitimate 2nd liner.

When do you get full parole?
- Marwood

Parole comes later.

Just got out of hospital took a puck to the face at afternoon Hockey...3 zippers!

Parole comes later.

Just got out of hospital took a puck to the face at afternoon Hockey...3 zippers!


- LordHumungous

Are you afraid of fire now?

That's what this bitter cold snap is, you heeding my advice.

For the record, I've never lost a hockeybuzz hockey bet which is more then I can say for most on here.

Do the math in regards to what an average top 6 player brings, 6 per team, 31 teams.

31 x 6 = 186 top 6 players in the nhl.

Go to last year's stats and look at what the players ranked in either goals or points scored, between players 93 and 186.

Ranked by points, 2nd line players scored between 51 and 33 points

Ranked by goals, 2nd line players scored between 22 and 14 goals

Those are the actual points/ goals scored by the players ranked in 93 to 186 spots, you know the second lines.

Jake , by those numbers, is capable of being an average 2nd liner and should be an above average 2nd liner on his prime.
- Pres.cup

I have last years numbers for players to end of 3rd liners in the book.

I have last years numbers for players to end of 3rd liners in the book.
- manvanfan

Players at the bottom end of 3rd liners are bad, no? Productively wise.