Tampa didn't trade for Stralman, he left the Rangers to sign there, we've complained about not signing him 9 million 976 thousand 425 times around here
- jimbro83

You are right, that's like the one guy we didn't send there. Him and Boyle

Nobody is trying to prove that point. All we are saying it is brought up in discussion and players do think about it.
- nyrangers2

I'm not going to deny players think about it. There is a difference though between players considering it, and it being this huge competitive advantage. I remember the first time I heard about it in any sport was right before Ken Griffey Jr signed with the Reds. They said that he was going to sign with the Marlins because of the no state tax thing. This no state tax thing has been around for awhile and quite frankly IMO has been the biggest boogeyman argument in sports for decades.

I'm not going to deny players think about it. There is a difference though between players considering it, and it being this huge competitive advantage. I remember the first time I heard about it in any sport was right before Ken Griffey Jr signed with the Reds. They said that he was going to sign with the Marlins because of the no state tax thing. This no state tax thing has been around for awhile and quite frankly IMO has been the biggest boogeyman argument in sports for decades.
- 2sticks1puck

This will make everybody's day

[url] https://twitter.com/(frank)ingHenrik30/status/1101533886587256838

Tampa didn't trade for Stralman, he left the Rangers to sign there, we've complained about not signing him 9 million 976 thousand 425 times around here
- jimbro83

I think it was 9,976,415 times, but yea it’s been a lot

They said somewhere that stone will get basicaly the same amount in Vegas as he would in Ottawa, but Ottawa would’ve had to give him 13.5 a year to make it happen. He got 9.5? So that’s in essence another 4 million player Vegas can sign now, or acquire. It’s no doubt a huge advantage for the no tax teams

Again, trying to solve an issue that isn't there. If it was such a competitive advantage, why have the Kings who play in one of the highest tax areas, been able to win 2 cups? The Kings have as many cups this decade as of all the no state tax teams COMBINED.
- 2sticks1puck

Because they drafted and traded well. That is why they won.

They said somewhere that stone will get basicaly the same amount in Vegas as he would in Ottawa, but Ottawa would’ve had to give him 13.5 a year to make it happen. He got 9.5? So that’s in essence another 4 million player Vegas can sign now, or acquire. It’s no doubt a huge advantage for the no tax teams
- Slimtj100

81 million cap is more money in Tampa than it is in Ottawa, it's just a fact

the league needs to fix that disparity that's all

it's not just signing free agents, it's signing your own player

They said somewhere that stone will get basicaly the same amount in Vegas as he would in Ottawa, but Ottawa would’ve had to give him 13.5 a year to make it happen. He got 9.5? So that’s in essence another 4 million player Vegas can sign now, or acquire. It’s no doubt a huge advantage for the no tax teams
- Slimtj100

In theory, yes it is. My point was that you haven't seen these droves of free agents flock to these no tax teams. Although it's stabilized, the US-Canada exchange rate was a much bigger issue.

In theory, yes it is. My point was that you haven't seen these droves of free agents flock to these no tax teams. Although it's stabilized, the US-Canada exchange rate was a much bigger issue.
- 2sticks1puck

Everyone has their own motives for where they sign though. Some guys want the most money. Someone like Tavares wants to go live a childhood dream.

Not to mention, this really only seems to be a thing for bigger-name guys who, for the most part, have their pick of whatever team they want to go to. Less sought-after guys may go somewhere that they can get playing time and try to make a name for themselves.

I don't think you'll ever see it be the deciding factor for all UFA's. But a lot of the big ones will take advantage of it while they can.

it's definitely a real thing, the baseball signings were talking about it, Machado lost out on 43 million or something because he signed in San Diego as opposed to somewhere else
- jimbro83

Completely agree. That is why Matthews new deal is almost all signing bonus. Because he's an American in Canada, his base salary is taxed at 53.5%. (Thanks to Chiefs for finding that.) Players, agents and financial teams are finding ways to give guys more money then theycan get in other markets.

Hell, Mark Stone is on the verge of signing and 9.5 million AAV deal with Vegas. We saw the tweet that for him to get the same amount of money after taxes and escrow, he'd need 13.5 from Ottawa.

Everyone has their own motives for where they sign though. Some guys want the most money. Someone like Tavares wants to go live a childhood dream.

Not to mention, this really only seems to be a thing for bigger-name guys who, for the most part, have their pick of whatever team they want to go to. Less sought-after guys may go somewhere that they can get playing time and try to make a name for themselves.

I don't think you'll ever see it be the deciding factor for all UFA's. But a lot of the big ones will take advantage of it while they can.
- eichiefs9

I am all for the no state tax teams having a salary cap 5 million less than high tax places. Whether or not it actually affects things, (frank) 'em

They said somewhere that stone will get basicaly the same amount in Vegas as he would in Ottawa, but Ottawa would’ve had to give him 13.5 a year to make it happen. He got 9.5? So that’s in essence another 4 million player Vegas can sign now, or acquire. It’s no doubt a huge advantage for the no tax teams
- Slimtj100

In theory, yes it is. My point was that you haven't seen these droves of free agents flock to these no tax teams. Although it's stabilized, the US-Canada exchange rate was a much bigger issue.
- 2sticks1puck

You’re seeing it more n more tho. This Stone transaction is big on that front. It’s literally why he signed and was traded there

I am all for the no state tax teams having a salary cap 5 million less than high tax places. Whether or not it actually affects things, (frank) 'em
- jimbro83

Kreider has a number in his head he will not go below bc of cost of living here. We will end up paying more to keep him bc of that

Completely agree. That is why Matthews new deal is almost all signing bonus. Because he's an American in Canada, his base salary is taxed at 53.5%. (Thanks to Chiefs for finding that.) Players, agents and financial teams are finding ways to give guys more money then theycan get in other markets.

Hell, Mark Stone is on the verge of signing and 9.5 million AAV deal with Vegas. We saw the tweet that for him to get the same amount of money after taxes and escrow, he'd need 13.5 from Ottawa.
- tomburton99

We will see if Vegas tips the scale. Miami/Tampa have never been UFA bastions in any sport (yes I know Lebron signed in Miami) and other than the Cowboys, the Rangers and Astros have been hit or miss in terms of getting UFAs. I think Vegas could be a different animal. It's a market where hockey is the only game in town (for now) and you know the promotional machine will be behind it.

Kreider has a number in his head he will not go below bc of cost of living here. We will end up paying more to keep him bc of that
- nyrangers2

if you know personal info about Kreider, TPC gonna be like this:

If they were the team that drafted him and was a good team he might have. I have yet to see one piece of evidence the no state tax is the one factor that made him resign. More likely, he was a critical part of a team that drafted him and the team was really good. Maybe Tampa gets the benefit of the no tax status being am already good team. You sure don't see people signing in Dallas and Sunrise because of it.
- 2sticks1puck

My colleagues in Seattle make less than I do because of not having state income tax. If businesses are benefiting from it, you bet your ass NHL teams are benefiting from it. Whether there's a clear example or not, why not find a better solution to mitigate a potential loophole?

if you know personal info about Kreider, TPC gonna be like this:


- jimbro83

My buddy was at his place last night. He won't divulge details but this is where this info is coming from. He wants to stay. MTL and Leafs were coming hard at the TDL

Kreider has a number in his head he will not go below bc of cost of living here. We will end up paying more to keep him bc of that
- nyrangers2

Has he said this? These guys have millions of dollars, they easily could move to the burbs, hire a driver and pocket the difference if cost of living was a big issue.

Has he said this? These guys have millions of dollars, they easily could move to the burbs, hire a driver and pocket the difference if cost of living was a big issue.
- 2sticks1puck

Why move to the burbs at 27? When he is married sure. The allure of Manhattan is to live here and enjoy it

My colleagues in Seattle make less than I do because of not having state income tax. If businesses are benefiting from it, you bet your ass NHL teams are benefiting from it. Whether there's a clear example or not, why not find a better solution to mitigate a potential loophole?
- Bean_Dip

Sometimes a solution to one problem creates 2-3 more. So lets say state income tax gives them a lower cap. Would the New York/California teams then exploit a loophole for their higher cap? There will always be advantages/disadvantages to every market. It's impossible to makes rules for them. I mean, Toronto has an advantage over Columbus due to market/fanbase, should Columbus get concessions?

My buddy was at his place last night. He won't divulge details but this is where this info is coming from. He wants to stay. MTL and Leafs were coming hard at the TDL
- nyrangers2

if Kreider signs an extension, I know somebody who'll be coming hard

They we’re talking for months about Bob and Panarin going to the Panthers as a pair because of no taxes. It’s like a thing to do that now

Sometimes a solution to one problem creates 2-3 more. So lets say state income tax gives them a lower cap. Would the New York/California teams then exploit a loophole for their higher cap? There will always be advantages/disadvantages to every market. It's impossible to makes rules for them. I mean, Toronto has an advantage over Columbus due to market/fanbase, should Columbus get concessions?
- 2sticks1puck

This is a valid point. I am sure will hear more about it closer to the next CBA talks

Sometimes a solution to one problem creates 2-3 more. So lets say state income tax gives them a lower cap. Would the New York/California teams then exploit a loophole for their higher cap? There will always be advantages/disadvantages to every market. It's impossible to makes rules for them. I mean, Toronto has an advantage over Columbus due to market/fanbase, should Columbus get concessions?
- 2sticks1puck

(frank) em all

Rangers 95 million cap, everybody else 60