take out our worst forward, and add in Panarin, and we are still lacking. Not saying we couldn't use him, I absolutely agree we could, but this team needs so much all over.
- Codes1087

Exactly. This team has gaping holes all over the roster, which has been the issue all along. Holding onto "role players" like Granlund and Eriksson is a recipe for failure as proven by another mediocre season. Sure injuries take their toll, but the lifeless play on display today is symptomatic of a larger, deeper issue.

Agree, but not at the expense of the few serviceable players we have now.
- bloatedmosquito

I understand where you are coming from I really really do but we gotta give to get. If we need to give up a 65 point forward to get a 45 point dman sign me up. Lots of teams have 25 goal guys. All I'm sayin is cash in on him being over rated for once in like 15 years. Mason Raymond got 30..... Building de will help us

The thing that hits home is hearing how much was offered for Edler today (if true) and the amount we are willing to spend on him for very little productivity.

We have spent good money on him and Tanev over the years and still finish in the bottom. Not to mention he wants a NMC. I hope the team goes in a different direction.

Combining Edlers upcoming 6 mil Tanevs 4.5 and Huttons 4 mil is close to 15 mil which you could sign two very useful Dmen.
- VANTEL

What was the rumoured offer for Eddy?

What was the rumoured offer for Eddy?
- dbot

Kylington and a 3 rd

Exactly. This team has gaping holes all over the roster, which has been the issue all along. Holding onto "role players" like Granlund and Eriksson is a recipe for failure as proven by another mediocre season. Sure injuries take their toll, but the lifeless play on display today is symptomatic of a larger, deeper issue.
- Slip and slap

The larger, deeper issue is that the GM & coach are idiots.

Kylington and a 3 rd
- VANTEL

huh.

I'd have been happy with pretty much anything .
That would have been a nice grab by the Flames if true.
Calgary sucks though.
I don't begrudge him for not waiving...i'm a union guy.

I will go back to a popular quote I use often. Being the best apple of the bunch of rotten apples does not make you a good apple.

If Edler is your top Dman again for the next three years then what results do you expect would get better?
- VANTEL

Yeah, I agree. Look at Mikkel Boedker. Dude was getting top line minutes on bad Coyote teams and putting up 40-50 points with top PP time with guys like OEL/Doan.

Sharks sign him and give him 2nd/3rd line minutes and he regresses. If he got the same minutes in SJ, he would’ve put up those same numbers but 45-50 points for a top line player isn’t good enough for a team like SJ. Higher standards exposed Boedker.

Same with Hansen, goes from playing on the 1st line with the Sedins with decent point totals and can’t even stick in the Sharks bottom 6.

Any half-decent player getting top line/PP minutes, even on bad teams is going to have inflated point totals.

Yeah, I agree. Look at Mikkel Boedker. Dude was getting top line minutes on bad Coyote teams and putting up 40-50 points with top PP time with guys like OEL/Doan.

Sharks sign him and give him 2nd/3rd line minutes and he regresses. If he got the same minutes in SJ, he would’ve put up those same numbers but 45-50 points for a top line player isn’t good enough for a team like SJ. Higher standards exposed Boedker.

Same with Hansen, goes from playing on the 1st line with the Sedins with decent point totals and can’t even stick in the Sharks bottom 6.

Any half-decent player getting top line/PP minutes, even on bad teams is going to have inflated point totals.
- Nucker101

The real issue isn't Edler, nor Tanev. It's that in over a decade nothing has been done to improve this issue aside from the selections of Juolevi and Quinn, as well as signing Hamhuis who never had a #1D skillset.

Hell, even Luc Bourdon was drafted before Edler.

The disdain is for the player but the real problem is with the organization.

The real issue isn't Edler, nor Tanev. It's that in over a decade nothing has been done to improve this issue aside from the selections of Juolevi and Quinn, as well as signing Hamhuis who never had a #1D skillset.

Hell, even Luc Bourdon was drafted before Edler.

The disdain is for the player but the real problem is with the organization.
- golfingsince

Years of cup contention & a bare cupboard & here we are today. Only recent drafting has given hope.

The real issue isn't Edler, nor Tanev. It's that in over a decade nothing has been done to improve this issue aside from the selections of Juolevi and Quinn, as well as signing Hamhuis who never had a #1D skillset.

Hell, even Luc Bourdon was drafted before Edler.

The disdain is for the player but the real problem is with the organization.
- golfingsince

For sure, even for whipping boys like Gudbranson, Pouliot, Granlund, Eriksson, etc. We hate them but really it’s the organization that deserves the hate lol

Years of cup contention & a bare cupboard & here we are today.
- Nighthawk

Pretty much, but a tear down when Benning got hired would’ve been a better decision than trying to “do things the right way” and fill an “age gap”. The only “age gap” players still here are Sutter, Baertschi and Granlund.

Most want Sutter traded, Granlund gone, and Sven has been solid but may never play again if he takes one more hit to the head.

huh.

I'd have been happy with pretty much anything .
That would have been a nice grab by the Flames if true.
Calgary sucks though.
I don't begrudge him for not waiving...i'm a union guy.
- dbot

He earned his NTC , just don't make the same mistake twice

He earned his NTC , just don't make the same mistake twice
- VANTEL

I’d be shocked if he doesn’t get at least a limited NTC, but the term will be short from the sounds of it

Pretty much, but a tear down when Benning got hired would’ve been a better decision than trying to “do things the right way” and fill an “age gap”. The only “age gap” players still here are Sutter, Baertschi and Granlund.

Most want Sutter traded, Granlund gone, and Sven has been solid but may never play again if he takes one more hit to the head.
- Nucker101

you're not wrong.
with hindsight, it's clear we should have taken a different path.
a tear down could have also produced busts, injuries and what not, impossible to say.

Time to re-evaluate and reset a few things.
I think that's what JB said at the TDL too.
Not trading for stop gaps is at least a step in the right direction.

I’d be shocked if he doesn’t get at least a limited NTC, but the term will be short from the sounds of it
- Nucker101

So three more years of 6 mil per for a 20 pt player with a NTC that misses 20 games a year.

I’d be shocked if he doesn’t get at least a limited NTC, but the term will be short from the sounds of it
- Nucker101

Didn’t they talk about that today on the game broadcast? It’s not about the money, it’s about the NMC. That’s what Edler wants but the Canucks can’t afford to waste a protected spot on him when the expansion draft happens.

you're not wrong.
with hindsight, it's clear we should have taken a different path.
a tear down could have also produced busts, injuries and what not, impossible to say.

Time to re-evaluate and reset a few things.
I think that's what JB said at the TDL too.
Not trading for stop gaps is at least a step in the right direction.
- dbot

That’s why there’s frustration, a lot of fans were against that plan at that time.

But yeah, hopefully they’ve learned their lessons the hard way. We’ll see.

So three more years of 6 mil per for a 20 pt player with a NTC that misses 20 games a year.
- VANTEL

Better to just accept it now dude

Didn’t they talk about that today on the game broadcast? It’s not about the money, it’s about the NMC. That’s what Edler wants but the Canucks can’t afford to waste a protected spot on him when the expansion draft happens.
- bloatedmosquito

Benning is another tough spot again

Better to just accept it now dude
- Nucker101

I know it will happen . Then next year we will have Tanev under contract and Hutton and Stecher and Edler and then we can all female dog again about how bad the D is for a few more years.

To actually have change you need to make changes

Eriksson, Miller, Guddy. All examples of bonehead signings.
- bloatedmosquito

miller wasn't a bad signing

guddy wasn't a free agent. i know he got the contract, but it was at least dealable.

in that vein however - sutter could have been a good example, though his signing has generally tended towards the middle of the spectrum for most of the duration (its trending back towards poor now)

gagner however was never not bad, even though i get the logic

beagle is looking a bit anchory

So three more years of 6 mil per for a 20 pt player with a NTC that misses 20 games a year.
- VANTEL

Go Benning go

Years of cup contention & a bare cupboard & here we are today. Only recent drafting has given hope.
- Nighthawk

Since Benning has taken over the Canucks have made 3 selections in the top 2 rounds on their D. Another 2 selections were made in the third round, nothing in the 4th.

Really haven't done much to fill that cupboard, considering 2 of those top selections were last year.

In a league where Dmen take longer to develop, we've skimped at the draft instead deciding to spend those picks on stop-gap players.

Benning is another tough spot again
- Nucker101

No he isnt. Dont sign him.

i wonder how much truth there is to the "eriksson may retire" rumour from a while back