So the TLDR version is you are a hockey knowledge God and everyone that has ever worked for the Flyers is not.
- opeth_pa

Yes. Exactly what I said.

I mean clearly the Flyers are omnipotent. The results speak for themselves.
Who am I to criticize them with their track record.

The season was over before Christmas.
- PLindbergh31

Welcome back.

Yes. Exactly what I said.

I mean clearly the Flyers are omnipotent. The results speak for themselves.
Who am I to criticize them with their track record.
- PLindbergh31

That is 100% how you come off and just to show that at least I am not a blind loyalist.

Regardless of a substantial uptick in record over the second half this season is a full failure.

Hexy thought the right move was to start this year with Elliot and Mr. Glass in net.

Management has also allowed this team to become arguably one of if not the softest teams in the league.

As to next year based on past NHL coaching experience and how the team improved under him I have no issue with Gordon coming back. Sure Q is the name everyone wants and that makes sense. Regardless of coach If they do not make the playoffs and either win a round then next season is a failure also.

Didn't say that. Who is to say if the Flyers had their second round pick they wouldn't have drafted Kucherov? And on what planet is Carcillo worth a second round pick? The Flyers couldn't even get a second round pick for Simmonds.
- PLindbergh31

Doesn't Carbomb have his name on the stanley cup? Twice?

He must be better than Simmer

Management has also allowed this team to become arguably one of if not the softest teams in the league.


- opeth_pa

Watching TJ Oshie run around and belt them time and time again was beyond frustrating. Somebody needed to answer that and they didn't.

I don't believe that Doughty and Kopitar are going to be traded.

Doughry has a NMC through 22-23
- MJL

Your right, I didn't see the NMC until 22-23. LA could pull both guys in and tell them they expect a 4-5 year rebuild and ask if they would be willing to accept a trade to a good willing team. It doesn't hurt to be honest with the players and ask them if they would rather move on or lose for the next 5 years.

Your right, I didn't see the NMC until 22-23. LA could pull both guys in and tell them they expect a 4-5 year rebuild and ask if they would be willing to accept a trade to a good willing team. It doesn't hurt to be honest with the players and ask them if they would rather move on or lose for the next 5 years.
- youarewrong

NMC typically don't prohibit a trade.

Have the Preds missed their SC window?

NMC typically don't prohibit a trade.
- wcorvette

Technically that's exactly what they do, but some players accept to waive the clause if they feel that leaving is in their best interest.

Missing the playoffs in year 5 of the rebuild. Pretty rough. What is the minimum acceptable result next year? At least a playoff series win?
- PLindbergh31

Absolutely, need to win a series, we're almost at a decade before our last series win, and it's extremely frustrating.

thats one of the main reasons i am not completely devastated by not making the playoffs. We weren't going to beat TB, that's a fact, this wasn't like us going against the Pens in 2012 and absolutely lighting them up, even tho they were the better team points wise, and seeding wise.

So taking solace in maybe getting a better draft pick, some fire burning in our players about literally 3 years in a row of digging a hole and twice not being able to get out of it, maybe will help us get off on the right foot next year.

still can't wait for playoff hockey though, even when the flyers aren't in it, its still the best damn playoffs in sport.

Have the Preds missed their SC window?
- wcorvette

I imagine this is trolling, but incase it isnt, the preds have all thier guys signed for next season except Simmonds and a few minor guys. Their defense is signed cheap for long term, as is Rhinne. They have almost 7 million per open roster spot... the most in the NHL.

You guys talking about Game 3 OT hero in the 2010 playoffs Daniel Carcillo?


Also why we even talking about a trade 10 years ago.
- J35Bacher

Car bomb, Car Bomb!!!

The season was over before Christmas.
- PLindbergh31

We traded for Carcillo this past season???

Objectively, the Carcillo trade WAS bad.

Your right, I didn't see the NMC until 22-23. LA could pull both guys in and tell them they expect a 4-5 year rebuild and ask if they would be willing to accept a trade to a good willing team. It doesn't hurt to be honest with the players and ask them if they would rather move on or lose for the next 5 years.
- youarewrong

Anything can happen, doesn't make it likely to happen.

Technically that's exactly what they do, but some players accept to waive the clause if they feel that leaving is in their best interest.
- youarewrong

A NTC prohibits a trade, a NMC phohibits a trade or being placed on waivers/sent to the AHL.

Objectively, the Carcillo trade WAS bad.
- StepfordSam

In a vacuum, yes. The other option was to lose Upshall to waivers.

Bill,

Elliott is a terrible goaltender. He has almost no reaction time most games. I have to admit this is the best he's played for the Flyers, so I haven't felt that they will lose every game he is in. However, he relies on positioning more than any other goalie I've seen. His reaction time is that of a retired goaltender or beer league vet.... on most shots.
Lately, he has shown more intensity, and I think that's something that a goalie with slow reaction times, needs more of to fill the gaps.
Bottom line is we would have won many more games without Elliott... so I'm not exactly sure why we brought Talbot in this year.... my hope is that we brought him in to try before we buy, and they found that "wow, we are glad we didn't offer him a competitive open market deal" - and are going to let him walk... otherwise I'm not really sure how you play Elliott instead??

I imagine this is trolling, but incase it isnt, the preds have all thier guys signed for next season except Simmonds and a few minor guys. Their defense is signed cheap for long term, as is Rhinne. They have almost 7 million per open roster spot... the most in the NHL.
- youarewrong

How do you figure? They have a little over $76.5M committed for next year that encompasses 12F/8D/2G (including Rem Patlick as one of the 12 forwards). If the cap jumps up to $83M, that leaves them with just under $6.4M space, unless my math is wrong.

https://www.capfriendly.com/teams/predators

Bill,

Elliott is a terrible goaltender. He has almost no reaction time most games. I have to admit this is the best he's played for the Flyers, so I haven't felt that they will lose every game he is in. However, he relies on positioning more than any other goalie I've seen. His reaction time is that of a retired goaltender or beer league vet.... on most shots.
Lately, he has shown more intensity, and I think that's something that a goalie with slow reaction times, needs more of to fill the gaps.
Bottom line is we would have won many more games without Elliott... so I'm not exactly sure why we brought Talbot in this year.... my hope is that we brought him in to try before we buy, and they found that "wow, we are glad we didn't offer him a competitive open market deal" - and are going to let him walk... otherwise I'm not really sure how you play Elliott instead??
- jduran10

I'm not Bill, but I do not think Elliott is a terrible goaltender. Last year, he played well prior to getting hurt. He came back (too soon) and looked shaky and rusty. This year I do not think he was fully healthy and the team in front of him was a mess too.

I can't speak to why Talbot isn't playing, but I don't think it is fair to label Elliott a terrible goaltender. I do not think however he will be back next year.

A NTC prohibits a trade, a NMC phohibits a trade or being placed on waivers/sent to the AHL.
- jmatchett383

So then you agree with me the NMC prevents a trade. Thanks.

Yes. I always deal in hindsight. I'll dig out the posts from when they hired Hakstol. When I questioned what his credentials were becoming an NHL head coach without spending a single day on an NHL bench. That was hindsight right? How'd Hakstol work out?

The hindsight of being dead set against the Morin pick prior to the 2013 draft, more hindsight.
- PLindbergh31

It worked out well considering he got us to the post season with the piss poor team we had. Correct me if I am wrong but he also has a winning percentage behind the bench

Bill,

Elliott is a terrible goaltender. He has almost no reaction time most games. I have to admit this is the best he's played for the Flyers, so I haven't felt that they will lose every game he is in. However, he relies on positioning more than any other goalie I've seen. His reaction time is that of a retired goaltender or beer league vet.... on most shots.
Lately, he has shown more intensity, and I think that's something that a goalie with slow reaction times, needs more of to fill the gaps.
Bottom line is we would have won many more games without Elliott... so I'm not exactly sure why we brought Talbot in this year.... my hope is that we brought him in to try before we buy, and they found that "wow, we are glad we didn't offer him a competitive open market deal" - and are going to let him walk... otherwise I'm not really sure how you play Elliott instead??
- jduran10

How do you figure? They have a little over $76.5M committed for next year that encompasses 12F/8D/2G (including Rem Patlick as one of the 12 forwards). If the cap jumps up to $83M, that leaves them with just under $6.4M space, unless my math is wrong.

https://www.capfriendly.com/teams/predators
- jmatchett383

According to what you just posted he has another year at .925 mil on an ELC. They are losing Simmonds, boyle, Sissons, McLeod, and Grimaldi. I don't see them resigning boyle, and likely not Simmonds. The others arent breaking the bank.

They could let all of them walk and have 12 forwards and 7 defenseman signed. They will resign a few players and send a few others to the AHL. They are sitting very nice with their cap.

Objectively, the Carcillo trade WAS bad.
- StepfordSam

I thought it was fine. Upshall was more skilled but he was hurt a lot.