I wouldn't be shocked if this team leaves the draft without making any fundamental roster moves.

The Flyers pretty much made a decision that it will be Hart-Talbot next year when they acquired Talbot. He's not an unknown quantity. I can't really speak for his lack of playing time relative to Elliott except that Elliott went on a nice little run for awhile after he returned from injury and then Hart was back.

As for Elliott, he has done pretty well overall since returning. I think he's been a maintenance plan (aka needs another hip surgery) but the reinjury happened earlier this season than last, which meant there was more runway left in the season for him to return. When he returned at the tail end of last season and into the playoffs, he probably still shouldn't have been playing because he was still struggling physically and was quite ineffective. Elliott has a high pain threshold, FWIW.

Given that Elliott is in his mid-30s and is starting to have chronic injury issues, I think it would be too risky to re-sign him. Talbot is two years younger and, more important, has been healthier.
- bmeltzer

But wouldnt a guy like Talbot be more inclined to sign if he were playing more regularly than Elliott? He can't exactly be happy with the fact that he was brought in this season to just sit there.

It’s time to park the moose and see what Talbot has to offer

It’s time to park the moose and see what Talbot has to offer
- Just5

Based on him being a UFA this summer and having so little playing time, you’d think he has some loose agreement with us that he’s signing with us. Bc if I were him I’d be pissed with not playing since other teams aren’t seeing him play to be signed in the summer

I was just thinking yesterday; if Colorado wins the lottery they already have McKinnon... What if we offered Voracek, Ghost, Ratcliffe, Sandstrom, and this years first for the 1st overall. They get a major boost to thier team and become instant SC contenders. We get J.Hughes and a lot of money to spend in FA and we hold onto Farabee and Frost.
- youarewrong

if the include NAK as well it might get it done

The Flyers pretty much made a decision that it will be Hart-Talbot next year when they acquired Talbot. He's not an unknown quantity. I can't really speak for his lack of playing time relative to Elliott except that Elliott went on a nice little run for awhile after he returned from injury and then Hart was back.

As for Elliott, he has done pretty well overall since returning. I think he's been a maintenance plan (aka needs another hip surgery) but the reinjury happened earlier this season than last, which meant there was more runway left in the season for him to return. When he returned at the tail end of last season and into the playoffs, he probably still shouldn't have been playing because he was still struggling physically and was quite ineffective. Elliott has a high pain threshold, FWIW.

Given that Elliott is in his mid-30s and is starting to have chronic injury issues, I think it would be too risky to re-sign him. Talbot is two years younger and, more important, has been healthier.
- bmeltzer

This sounds about right. Elliot was playing well and Hart is the starter. Now that the Flyers are basically eliminated I think its time to ride with Hart-Talbot and get Morin in some games. No need to see MacDonald or Elliot for the rest of the year. I'd switch out Hagg, Gudas, and Ghost for Morin the rest of the way out.

But wouldnt a guy like Talbot be more inclined to sign if he were playing more regularly than Elliott? He can't exactly be happy with the fact that he was brought in this season to just sit there.
- xShoot4WarAmpsx

He waived his no-trade to come here. While I would certainly think he expected to play more now, I also don't think it's going to preclude him re-signing here. He's gotten to know his teammates, to know Dillabaugh, get his family to this area. All of those things factor in, too. He also knows that it won't be a three-goalie situation to start next season presuming he and Hart both get into the season healthy.

Looks like Hextall will be part of team Canada management. I wonder which Flyers he will invite?
- Djapana

He's having a phony Canadian birth certificate made so he can invite Neuvirth.

Looks like Hextall will be part of team Canada management. I wonder which Flyers he will invite?
- Djapana

None but Hakstol will be head coach.

I wouldn't be shocked if this team leaves the draft without making any fundamental roster moves.
- Sinisalo4vr

I wouldnt be shocked either if they are confident they can get a good signing out of free agency.

If I'm Fletcher I plant a rumor that ghost and Voracek are on the block and have Fletcher deny it publicly, while boosting their attributes. Then take all the calls you can on them and see if its worth moving either one.

I would look to make hockey trades. Maybe LA is interested in swapping Doughtery for ghost plus. They are in CAP hell and doesnt look like they have much hope of getting out anytime soon. Ghost plus a first and 2nd?

None but Hakstol will be head coach.
- SuperSchennBros

It's a shame VDV is American, he'd be a lock.

I really hope Frost makes the team next year. If we can get 1 All-Star FA signing we are a playoff team again. One offensive all-star and 1 #2-#3 defenseman will make us Cup contenders IMO. I have a feeling one of Voracek or Ghost wont be back next year, I'm guessing Ghost.

JVR-Couturier-Giroux
????-Patrick-Voracek
Lindblom-Frost-Konecny (Frosts and Konecny's speed excites me.)
Laughton-Knight-Hartman

Provorov-??????
Morin-Sanheim
Gudas/Hagg-Myers

Hart
Talbot

Obviously If Morin isnt working you replace him with Gudas, and Freidman is your 7th.

?????? on defense could be T.Myers, or Trouba if we trade for him and I'm thinking Panarin or Duchene for the offense. Maybe Hayes.

I wouldnt be shocked either if they are confident they can get a good signing out of free agency.

If I'm Fletcher I plant a rumor that ghost and Voracek are on the block and have Fletcher deny it publicly, while boosting their attributes. Then take all the calls you can on them and see if its worth moving either one.

I would look to make hockey trades. Maybe LA is interested in swapping Doughtery for ghost plus. They are in CAP hell and doesnt look like they have much hope of getting out anytime soon. Ghost plus a first and 2nd?
- youarewrong

NHL GM's just don't do things randomly. They plan out and project cap expenditures for the future. LA just signed Doughty to that deal. They didn't do so without having a plan for the future. Here is what teams do. They decide who is the core and back bone of the team moving forward. For LA it's Doughty and Kopitar. They sign them to whatever it takes and build around them. So why are they now all of a sudden going to trade Doughty? What is the plus ? That's just incomplete and vague.

I really hope Frost makes the team next year. If we can get 1 All-Star FA signing we are a playoff team again. One offensive all-star and 1 #2-#3 defenseman will make us Cup contenders IMO. I have a feeling one of Voracek or Ghost wont be back next year, I'm guessing Ghost.

JVR-Couturier-Giroux
????-Patrick-Voracek
Lindblom-Frost-Konecny (Frosts and Konecny's speed excites me.)
Laughton-Knight-Hartman

Provorov-??????
Morin-Sanheim
Gudas/Hagg-Myers

Hart
Talbot

Obviously If Morin isnt working you replace him with Gudas, and Freidman is your 7th.

?????? on defense could be T.Myers, or Trouba if we trade for him and I'm thinking Panarin or Duchene for the offense. Maybe Hayes.
- youarewrong

So....we're trading Ghost for "??????" (Trouba) straight-up? Just trying to see where Ghost went but Voracek is still in your top-6.

Would I trade Ghost?

Depends...


on why is looks slow, if they know is it physical or just mental, then I would not trade him but if this is just who he is and I could get a real good deal for him, I would have to consider it..

Would I trade Ghost?

Depends...


on why is looks slow, if they know is it physical or just mental, then I would not trade him but if this is just who he is and I could get a real good deal for him, I would have to consider it..
- wcorvette

I don't think I'd trade Ghost for any one player, because I don't think any realistic trade for him would be a good return factoring in skillset (despite his down year) and contract. Right now, he'd probably bring, 1-for-1, a 2nd line winger or a late 1st round pick.

If I traded Ghost, he would be the cornerstone of a deal to bring in a top-pair defenseman or elite forward (think Pietrangelo or Tarasenko). Those players are rarely, if ever, available via trade, and since Ghost's value is probably near an all-time low right now, I don't see a need to trade him unless a player like I mentioned becomes available.

FWIW, Ghost was never a super fast player. He's been quick and elusive for the better part of his career, but he's never been a speedster at this level. I think his issues are mostly mental, but I think he'll have a bounce-back season next year.

NHL GM's just don't do things randomly. They plan out and project cap expenditures for the future. LA just signed Doughty to that deal. They didn't do so without having a plan for the future. Here is what teams do. They decide who is the core and back bone of the team moving forward. For LA it's Doughty and Kopitar. They sign them to whatever it takes and build around them. So why are they now all of a sudden going to trade Doughty? What is the plus ? That's just incomplete and vague.
- MJL

Sorry I don't have time to research beyond incomplete and vague at the moment. Through I can't see how they think Kopitar is part of a rebuilding future. Kings have 2 options... 1 full rebuild.... 2 try to win one more, somehow, before Carter retires, Kopitar and Brown have significant down turns, and hope that Kovalchuk's year was a fluke. I don't see them winning anymore cups with this core and it's possible they have changed the direction of the team since resigning Doughtery.

just saying if we lost a few more games in the year of the Morin draft we could have had Risto or even Jones
- 2Real

I know this was page 1 but its been bothering me because it wasn't the first time this was mentioned, Seth Jones was drafted fourth overall, was supposed to go 1 and slipped. How in the world were we a few spots away from him? Morin was what 12? Maybe I'm missing something.

So....we're trading Ghost for "??????" (Trouba) straight-up? Just trying to see where Ghost went but Voracek is still in your top-6.
- jmatchett383

I don't know... Trouba sounds about right... Maybe not straight up. I wasn't getting specific, I just have a feeling its either Jake or Ghost. Jake's resurgance since the losing streak, plus his suspension IMO has really increased his value. I really like Jake, and I know I'm on the record for trading a lot but its only because I feel there is an issue with the core and you cant move Giroux, and logistically cant move Couts either.... Simmonds is gone, and that leaves Voracek and Ghost.

And earlier in the year I was saying Ghost plus this years first for Karlsson and people are here killed me saying that was too much for Karlsson. That Ghost was almost as good. I think his value was highest last season, but I think teams will gamble on him being Karlsson good again. And with Sanheim and Myers taking steps forward I think it makes it easier to say yes to a Ghost deal.

I don't know... Trouba sounds about right... Maybe not straight up. I wasn't getting specific, I just have a feeling its either Jake or Ghost. Jake's resurgance since the losing streak, plus his suspension IMO has really increased his value. I really like Jake, and I know I'm on the record for trading a lot but its only because I feel there is an issue with the core and you cant move Giroux, and logistically cant move Couts either.... Simmonds is gone, and that leaves Voracek and Ghost.

And earlier in the year I was saying Ghost plus this years first for Karlsson and people are here killed me saying that was too much for Karlsson. That Ghost was almost as good. I think his value was highest last season, but I think teams will gamble on him being Karlsson good again. And with Sanheim and Myers taking steps forward I think it makes it easier to say yes to a Ghost deal.
- youarewrong

Ghost's value is in the gutter, it would be a terrible mistake to trade him now. I'll keep the potential 50-60 point Dman on the team with a low cap hit.

anybody see anything on this...

https://phillysportsblitz...s0w7jhhjTr9D5YGD_XWc6JycI

Sorry I don't have time to research beyond incomplete and vague at the moment. Through I can't see how they think Kopitar is part of a rebuilding future. Kings have 2 options... 1 full rebuild.... 2 try to win one more, somehow, before Carter retires, Kopitar and Brown have significant down turns, and hope that Kovalchuk's year was a fluke. I don't see them winning anymore cups with this core and it's possible they have changed the direction of the team since resigning Doughtery.
- youarewrong

How much research is involved to give an actual value to "plus"? Your premise is that since re-signing Doughty last June, they have now changed their minds and willing to go in another direction? Doubtful but not impossible. So then we get back to the plus. What are we gong to add to Gostisbehere in the trade to make them want to change direction?

I don't know... Trouba sounds about right... Maybe not straight up. I wasn't getting specific, I just have a feeling its either Jake or Ghost. Jake's resurgance since the losing streak, plus his suspension IMO has really increased his value. I really like Jake, and I know I'm on the record for trading a lot but its only because I feel there is an issue with the core and you cant move Giroux, and logistically cant move Couts either.... Simmonds is gone, and that leaves Voracek and Ghost.

And earlier in the year I was saying Ghost plus this years first for Karlsson and people are here killed me saying that was too much for Karlsson. That Ghost was almost as good. I think his value was highest last season, but I think teams will gamble on him being Karlsson good again. And with Sanheim and Myers taking steps forward I think it makes it easier to say yes to a Ghost deal.
- youarewrong

I wouldn't trade Ghost for Kalrsson either, only because he's going to ask for the moon with some pretty significant injuries. This year. while he's only played 52 games (again, injuries), he has a whopping 3 goals. I'm not saying that's his new norm, simply that his 20/55/75 days may be behind him.

I don't think Ghost will ever be EK. He's a guy like Klingberg or Krug; really good offensive instincts and PP QB that will always be fighting uphill defensively and will have dry stretches. Last season, his defensive game went to new heights, and this season, he's taken 2 steps back on both sides of the puck.

As for Myers and Sanheim...as high as I am on them, they still (especially Myers) are relatively new. And even if they are as good as Ghost offensively...what's wrong with having 4 (Provorov) defenseman who are offensively skilled? Unless trading Ghost upgrades your team significantly, I see no reason to trade him right now.

TLDR: No need to trade Ghost right now, only make a move including him for a top-level talent who is about the same age or younger and doesn't have injury history.

Edit: As for Doughty...while I'd love to have him on the Flyers, and while he's still a top-level defenseman, this board (and city) would eat him alive if he put up the offensive numbers that he has for most of his career (>15 goals, >50 points). People would want him to be Chris Pronger, and he's not even close.

Ghost's value is in the gutter, it would be a terrible mistake to trade him now. I'll keep the potential 50-60 point Dman on the team with a low cap hit.
- ClaudeFather

Pretty much.

I really hope Frost makes the team next year. If we can get 1 All-Star FA signing we are a playoff team again. One offensive all-star and 1 #2-#3 defenseman will make us Cup contenders IMO. I have a feeling one of Voracek or Ghost wont be back next year, I'm guessing Ghost.

JVR-Couturier-Giroux
????-Patrick-Voracek
Lindblom-Frost-Konecny (Frosts and Konecny's speed excites me.)
Laughton-Knight-Hartman

Provorov-??????
Morin-Sanheim
Gudas/Hagg-Myers

Hart
Talbot

Obviously If Morin isnt working you replace him with Gudas, and Freidman is your 7th.

?????? on defense could be T.Myers, or Trouba if we trade for him and I'm thinking Panarin or Duchene for the offense. Maybe Hayes.
- youarewrong

so laughable to have gudas on the bench in favor of others.