Because one day a star player (or Boston Bruin) might do it and they need to set a precedent that it isn't an autoban for life

Also, how do you know that she wasn't talking when she should have been listening??

Not including guys who put their wife through a TV.

Just so you know, people who do this don't change. They don't get better. No second chances for domestic abusers.
- James_Tanner

That’s an ignorant statement. I realize in today’s internet culture having a polarizing “hot take” gets more attention, it’s not the best way to talk about real issues, especially something as complex as spousal abuse. I’d say you would benefit from doing some research on the subject.

That being said, I would be fine if Voynov was banned for life if he hasn’t changed, playing in the NHL is a privilege and carries a decent amount of responsibility.

I read an article that said "lifetime ban policies" may actually deter victims from coming forward because they know that their financial future will be ruined whether they stay in the relationship or leave and receive some kind of support or settlement. Voynov's wife has chosen to stay with him and no one can judge her without knowing all the facts. In a sport that has always allowed and for many years silently encouraged fighting and violence, a lifetime ban seems hypocritical. And I actually do believe people can and do change (sometimes).
- marty555

Although I agree completely, this is waaay too complicated for Tanner to discuss.

That’s an ignorant statement. I realize in today’s internet culture having a polarizing “hot take” gets more attention, it’s not the best way to talk about real issues, especially something as complex as spousal abuse. I’d say you would benefit from doing some research on the subject.

That being said, I would be fine if Voynov was banned for life if he hasn’t changed, playing in the NHL is a privilege and carries a decent amount of responsibility.
- 13sundin13

This

I read an article that said "lifetime ban policies" may actually deter victims from coming forward because they know that their financial future will be ruined whether they stay in the relationship or leave and receive some kind of support or settlement. Voynov's wife has chosen to stay with him and no one can judge her without knowing all the facts. In a sport that has always allowed and for many years silently encouraged fighting and violence, a lifetime ban seems hypocritical. And I actually do believe people can and do change (sometimes).
- marty555

Ray Rice's wife would be at least 15 million dollars richer had there not been a camera in that elevator - Have to wonder (since they're still together) if she wishes there wasn't...

Ol Slava's wife might be of the same opinion. Lot of US dollars left on the table....

Such as?
- Only_A_Ladd

Still not the AZ Coyotes?

you said they were the worst team in the league... think you are wrong about that
- Dan Petriw

Yes I was wrong, obviously.........but if you switch the Islanders roster with the Senators and got the exact same goalie performance, I think you'd see the Senators in the second round right now.

James Tanner, you are just plain wrong. 1) "let him without sin cast the first stone" 2) As has been said, everyone deserves a second chance particularly after expressing remorse. 3) "For if you forgive men when they sin against you, your heavenly Father will also forgive you. But if you do not forgive men their sins, your Father will not forgive your sins." The Book of Matthew.

It must be comforting for you to reside in your glass house never having made a mistake and believing that spouting off this politically correct pablum will win you pokemon points. Voynov has paid his price to society to the sport and to the fans. He should be reinstated next year.
- Piston60

The irony of you quoting the bible while sticking up for a wife beater is flooring. I have made mistakes. Beating up a women is not a mistake, it's the actions of a lowlife coward.

Finally, you don't know or understand what political correctness is. Certainly what I am writing and talking about here has absolutely nothing to do with Political Correctness.

I read an article that said "lifetime ban policies" may actually deter victims from coming forward because they know that their financial future will be ruined whether they stay in the relationship or leave and receive some kind of support or settlement. Voynov's wife has chosen to stay with him and no one can judge her without knowing all the facts. In a sport that has always allowed and for many years silently encouraged fighting and violence, a lifetime ban seems hypocritical. And I actually do believe people can and do change (sometimes).
- marty555

OK a couple of things:

1) whether she is with him still or not is irrelevant because many abuse victims are their abusers #1 defenders.

2) The NHL encourages consenting men to fight each other. It would not be hypocritical for it to take a stance against domestic violence.

3) People who abuse their partners rarely, if ever change.

4) I can't speak to the idea that lifetime bans may prevent people from coming forward, but it seems pretty sketchy to say that we should have light consequences in order to encourage people to come forward. Still, if there's merit here I'd like to read more about it.

Progressives are the new authoritarians.


It’s all that virtue they magically ingested when they guzzled the koolaid.
- HB77

This is just sick. How do you even respond to the kind of (obviously anonymous) person who thinks this way? If you aren't trolling dude, and this is your real response, you need help.

That’s an ignorant statement. I realize in today’s internet culture having a polarizing “hot take” gets more attention, it’s not the best way to talk about real issues, especially something as complex as spousal abuse. I’d say you would benefit from doing some research on the subject.

That being said, I would be fine if Voynov was banned for life if he hasn’t changed, playing in the NHL is a privilege and carries a decent amount of responsibility.
- 13sundin13

I don't consider this a hot take. I consider the idea the NHL would let this guy back in the league to be disgusting. Spousal abusers rarely change. That is a fact. 100% and you can look it up. Ignorant my ass. What a joke this place is sometimes.

The irony of you quoting the bible while sticking up for a wife beater is flooring. I have made mistakes. Beating up a women is not a mistake, it's the actions of a lowlife coward.

Finally, you don't know or understand what political correctness is. Certainly what I am writing and talking about here has absolutely nothing to do with Political Correctness.
- James_Tanner

There you go, signaling to the world what a virtuous person you are. Too bad it is only on a lightly read board so the whole world can't recognize it. Read my post, in no place did I defend Voinov's actions. Having said that, 90 days in jail, $16mm in lost wages and public humiliation would seem to be an appropriate punishment. But no, he will not be punished until all the people who want to scream from the roof tops that they are 'good' people who hold the 'right' opinions have enough blood to satisfy them. Fortunately, common sense still prevails and we'll likely see Slava playing in the NHL next season.

Tanner, stick to blogging about the Coyotes or whatever team has the most luck...because your legal opinion isn't worth much.

For starters, Voynov pled no contest which isn't the same as pleading guilty. One motivation is that his wife changed her story and wanted to drop the charges. Her refusal to testify could have led to her being deported. So he pled no contest, allowing her to remain in the US, and they've remained married.

What a monster! Almost as bad as MacTavish or Dany Heatley who were both responsible for the death of another human being but continued to be embraced by the NHL.

I don't consider this a hot take. I consider the idea the NHL would let this guy back in the league to be disgusting. Spousal abusers rarely change. That is a fact. 100% and you can look it up. Ignorant my ass. What a joke this place is sometimes.
- James_Tanner

It was ignorant because you said they don’t change, rarely is a different story, and I’m glad you corrected yourself.

I agree it’s horrible and if he was banned for life I’d be fine with it, but when you speak in black and white terms like that, especially when talking about something as complex as spousal abuse, it’s an ignorant and one dimensional. That kind of thinking does nothing to remedy a very important issue in the world today. The idea of change and growth is a very important part of actually solving these issues for people.

Varlamov says hi

I don't consider this a hot take. I consider the idea the NHL would let this guy back in the league to be disgusting. Spousal abusers rarely change. That is a fact. 100% and you can look it up. Ignorant my ass. What a joke this place is sometimes.
- James_Tanner

I accept your invitation to do so.

https://www.justice.gc.ca...fv3-rr06_vf3/rr06_fv3.pdf

This Canadian (Ontario, specifically) study suggests otherwise- particularly on page 23.

https://link.springer.com....1186%2F2193-7680-2-9.pdf

This one only touches on recidivism, but notes a substantial correlation between aging and reduced recidivism rate.

https://link.springer.com...rticle/10.1007/BF00979025

This one requires purchase, but the abstract notes a 40% recidivism rate among 100 subjects.

I'm sure you could find papers that support the idea that "spousal abusers rarely change" (the internet when misused becomes ImRight.com) but, even if you did, your claim would still lack the consensus it requires to stand up to critique.

Ask Patrick Roy what he should get.

There you go, signaling to the world what a virtuous person you are. Too bad it is only on a lightly read board so the whole world can't recognize it. Read my post, in no place did I defend Voinov's actions. Having said that, 90 days in jail, $16mm in lost wages and public humiliation would seem to be an appropriate punishment. But no, he will not be punished until all the people who want to scream from the roof tops that they are 'good' people who hold the 'right' opinions have enough blood to satisfy them. Fortunately, common sense still prevails and we'll likely see Slava playing in the NHL next season.
- Piston60

This is one of the dumbest things I've ever heard. I don't give a ___ what you think of me, who reads this, or if they think I'm virtuous. In my entire life, I've never heard anyone talk about 'virtue signalling' who wasn't a complete meat-head. It's essentially the go-to move of Tucker Carlson FFS.

It was ignorant because you said they don’t change, rarely is a different story, and I’m glad you corrected yourself.

I agree it’s horrible and if he was banned for life I’d be fine with it, but when you speak in black and white terms like that, especially when talking about something as complex as spousal abuse, it’s an ignorant and one dimensional. That kind of thinking does nothing to remedy a very important issue in the world today. The idea of change and growth is a very important part of actually solving these issues for people.
- 13sundin13

Hey, if you want to be the guys sticking up for abusers, don't let me stop you. If you think abusers change, I don't know what to tell you. Sure, anecdotally I'm sure one or two out of every hundred thousand do. But someone who beats on their wife rarely gets better. Like I said, look it up, the statistics are damning.

I accept your invitation to do so.

https://www.justice.gc.ca...fv3-rr06_vf3/rr06_fv3.pdf

This Canadian (Ontario, specifically) study suggests otherwise- particularly on page 23.

https://link.springer.com....1186%2F2193-7680-2-9.pdf

This one only touches on recidivism, but notes a substantial correlation between aging and reduced recidivism rate.

https://link.springer.com...rticle/10.1007/BF00979025

This one requires purchase, but the abstract notes a 40% recidivism rate among 100 subjects.

I'm sure you could find papers that support the idea that "spousal abusers rarely change" (the internet when misused becomes ImRight.com) but, even if you did, your claim would still lack the consensus it requires to stand up to critique.
- MaximumBone

This is ridiculous. First of all, almost all spousal abuse goes unreported. Second of all, it's almost never an isolated incident. Quoting reconviction rates doesn't prove anything, and I strongly doubt your motives here are to correct some obscure hockey blogger, but rather to lie to yourself.

You might also consider that recidivism rates of 40% probably have more to do with the fact that if a case actually goes to court, there's a higher than normal chance she left him.

I can't even wrap my head around the fact that you're trying to prove that "most" people who hit their wife only do it once. That is just objectively false, as well as insane, crazy and bizarre.

this is such a waste of time to argue about because no team is going to sign him anyway

this is such a waste of time to argue about because no team is going to sign him anyway
- jimbro83

People said that about Avery but the rangers had a contract in front of him so fast it was unbelievable.

Chayka will sign him because he’ll be cheap

And Tanner will have another article up how he’s GM of the decade because of the immense value

Hey, if you want to be the guys sticking up for abusers, don't let me stop you. If you think abusers change, I don't know what to tell you. Sure, anecdotally I'm sure one or two out of every hundred thousand do. But someone who beats on their wife rarely gets better. Like I said, look it up, the statistics are damning.
- James_Tanner

This is exactly what I'm talking about, polarizing, black and white thinking. You're more concerned about being on the right side of the argument than thinking about the issue in a constructive way. In both of my comments I clearly said that I'd be fine with a lifetime ban, yet since I questioned a part of what you said, I'm automatically on the other side and defending abusers. It's an ignorant way of thinking.

I get that it's a highly emotional subject that and it's hard to think outside the box about it because it's pretty unforgivable. At the same time, I believe it's in everyone's best interest to find solutions because domestic abuse can be cyclical and abusers get worse without any treatment. The main part of finding real solutions is believing that abusers can change. Considering most spouses stay with their abusers meaning their children also stay, treatment is key to stopping the cycle. Even when the spouse gets out, treatment is important because an abuser will just do it to someone else if they don't change.

There are many examples of why change is a realistic and important part of solving the issue of abuse but I think I've made myself pretty clear. It's a complicated issue that needs constructive solutions.

Not including guys who put their wife through a TV.

Just so you know, people who do this don't change. They don't get better. No second chances for domestic abusers.
- James_Tanner

James you recently applauded Robin Lehner for seeking help and overcoming a Substance use disorder, along with treatment of additional mental health issues.
I sincerely hope you one day do the same as I believe that even you can change.