Well if we had more guys that could put the puck in the net, those assist numbers would go up

Jack is a shooter & a passer
But Mitts & Sam are more “pass first” type players
They need their “Skinner” as well
Maybe Olofsson can be a guy like that?
Nylander is more of a playmaker type to me

The rest of our forwards are kind of blah
- jdfitz77

doesn't this cut both ways? If we had players who could make plays, we'd have more goals. It's the whole reason teams invest heavy in centres instead of wingers, they usually ride their coattails.

See I don’t think we really give up anything.

I think Tampa is at a serious disadvantage here.

They legit can only take back picks. They can’t take on salary

So a win/win is trading out Miller and getting back a mid-level prospect/pick and also getting out from Callahan.

We’re one of 2-3 teams that Callahan makes sense for
- OneKaneOneCup

It'll be interesting to see who else is in a position to take on that salary. I hope you are right though, Miller is one of the top 3/5 guys I want them to add this off season.

See I don’t think we really give up anything.

I think Tampa is at a serious disadvantage here.

They legit can only take back picks. They can’t take on salary

So a win/win is trading out Miller and getting back a mid-level prospect/pick and also getting out from Callahan.

We’re one of 2-3 teams that Callahan makes sense for
- OneKaneOneCup

This is where I'm at as well regarding this idea. If Tampa thinks they can get Lemieux (B prospect? C prospect?), a 1st, and a 4th for Miller, that means they're adding a pick or prospect to each of Callahan, Palat, or Killorn as a cap dump trade.

What team, as you stated, has the cap space to take on the duo of Callahan and Miller, let alone the willingness to give up quality assets as well?

If they try either combination of Callahan & Killorn/Palat, they are going to be adding a legit prospect at least to that deal as that's a serious cap dump.

This is where I'm at as well regarding this idea. If Tampa thinks they can get Lemieux (B prospect? C prospect?), a 1st, and a 4th for Miller, that means they're adding a pick or prospect to each of Callahan, Palat, or Killorn as a cap dump trade.

What team, as you stated, has the cap space to take on the duo of Callahan and Miller, let alone the willingness to give up quality assets as well?

If they try either combination of Callahan & Killorn/Palat, they are going to be adding a legit prospect at least to that deal as that's a serious cap dump.
- kingcong39

Run away

It'll be interesting to see who else is in a position to take on that salary. I hope you are right though, Miller is one of the top 3/5 guys I want them to add this off season.
- Sabresfan-365

It's interesting you seem to think so highly of Miller as I've always thought of him as a poor man's (apologies J Crag LOL) Ryan O'Reilly, and with that, of O'Reilly is overpaid by say $1M annually, I guess $5.2M per makes sense for Miller.

It would be a GM JB move as this is not a smash hit HR, but more a continuation of his methodical roster building.

It'll be interesting to see who else is in a position to take on that salary. I hope you are right though, Miller is one of the top 3/5 guys I want them to add this off season.
- Sabresfan-365

Skinner-Eichel-Thompson
Olofsson-Mitts-Reinhart
Sheary-Miller-Callahan
Smith-Erod-Okposo

Nylander and Blues 2nd rounder in 2021 for Miller and Callahan.

It's interesting you seem to think so highly of Miller as I've always thought of him as a poor man's (apologies J Crag LOL) Ryan O'Reilly, and with that, of O'Reilly is overpaid by say $1M annually, I guess $5.2M per makes sense for Miller.

It would be a GM JB move as this is not a smash hit HR, but more a continuation of his methodical roster building.
- kingcong39

The dollars and age really work with the timeline here imo. The fact that he's not brain dead defensively helps too but idk.

Run away
- jcragcrumple

Without question.

If Tampa attemptes that move, I'd ask for Foote, a 1st, and either a 2nd or another prospect.

Skinner-Eichel-Thompson
Olofsson-Mitts-Reinhart
Sheary-Miller-Callahan
Smith-Erod-Okposo

Nylander and Blues 2nd rounder in 2021 for Miller and Callahan.
- Pegullaville

Tage isn’t even an NHLer forget top line.

Tage isn’t even an NHLer forget top line.
- Der Kaiser

When he puts on 25 pounds he will be.

The dollars and age really work with the timeline here imo. The fact that he's not brain dead defensively helps too but idk.
- Sabresfan-365

The remainder of his contract paying him from the age of 26 to 30 definitely makes dollars and sense.

When he puts on 25 pounds he will be.
- Pegullaville

His shortcomings are not physical.

He can’t play the game at the speed of the NHL.

The remainder of his contract paying him from the age of 26 to 30 definitely makes dollars and sense.
- kingcong39

I think I’ve decided he’s 100% going to be a Sabre

His shortcomings are not physical.

He can’t play the game at the speed of the NHL.
- Der Kaiser

Time will tell I guess.

In all honesty

If they trade the Blues 2nd rounder plus a minor prospect and get Miller

The ROR trade ends up

O’Reilly for

Thompson
Sobotka
Miller
Montour
One year of Callahan

That’s a lot better than before

In all honesty

If they trade the Blues 2nd rounder plus a minor prospect and get Miller

The ROR trade ends up

O’Reilly for

Thompson
Sobotka
Miller
Montour
One year of Callahan

That’s a lot better than before
- OneKaneOneCup

We actually traded a month of E.Kane and Guhle for Montour, O’Regan and a 4th.

In all honesty

If they trade the Blues 2nd rounder plus a minor prospect and get Miller

The ROR trade ends up

O’Reilly for

Thompson
Sobotka
Miller
Montour
One year of Callahan

That’s a lot better than before
- OneKaneOneCup

I'm greedy but the best pick I'd offer would be a 3rd.

Overall on the idea you posted, agreed, and imagine if Thompson turns out to be a legitimate top 6 winger.

We actually traded a month of E.Kane and Guhle for Montour, O’Regan and a 4th.
- Pegullaville

That’s right. My bad

Still....

In all honesty

If they trade the Blues 2nd rounder plus a minor prospect and get Miller

The ROR trade ends up

O’Reilly for

Thompson
Sobotka
Miller
Montour
One year of Callahan

That’s a lot better than before
- OneKaneOneCup

And they'll have saved potentially $3M annually starting the season after next as well?

And they'll have saved potentially $3M annually starting the season after next as well?
- kingcong39

Let’s say this remotely happens and Skinner miraculously resigns

Out -

Evander Kane - pending UFA
Ryan O’Reilly
2nd
3rd
Cliff Pu


In -

Brandon Montour
JT Miller
Jeff Skinner
Ryan Callahan
4th rounder
Danny O’Reagan
Tage Thompson
Vlad Sobotka


Am I missing anyone?

Again, that’s IF the Sabres pull off something like that in the Callahan deal their rumored to make

His shortcomings are not physical.

He can’t play the game at the speed of the NHL.
- Der Kaiser

I have major doubts about him. But: if someone can get through to him and teach him how to use his reach, and turn him into a 3rd line PP2 guy, he will have a good career. That means that he'll have to figure out how to play in his own zone, which is no sure thing

That's his NHL path though imo

I have major doubts about him. But: if someone can get through to him and teach him how to use his reach, and turn him into a 3rd line PP2 guy, he will have a good career. That means that he'll have to figure out how to play in his own zone, which is no sure thing

That's his NHL path though imo
- jcragcrumple

I have doubts too but I just have to laugh.

Thompson’s two NHL coaches he’s played under have both been fired for being awful.

Thompson’s been very very good in the AHL.

For some reason to a few, a good coach won’t help him, but could TOTALLY turn Ristolainen (who has 400+ NHL games under his belt) around.

I think TT ends up a career 3rd liner personally. Defensively sound or not

I have doubts too but I just have to laugh.

Thompson’s two NHL coaches he’s played under have both been fired for being awful.

Thompson’s been very very good in the AHL.

For some reason to a few, a good coach won’t help him, but could TOTALLY turn Ristolainen (who has 400+ NHL games under his belt) around.

I think TT ends up a career 3rd liner personally. Defensively sound or not
- OneKaneOneCup

I keep thinking of Jamie McGinn. Can he figure out how to be Jamie McGinn?

I keep thinking of Jamie McGinn. Can he figure out how to be Jamie McGinn?
- jcragcrumple

I think he’s Kotalik.

Huge shot and great hands for a shootout but can he develop the other parts of his game or not.

If he can we have something, if not it’s going to be a big nothing burger

Let’s say this remotely happens and Skinner miraculously resigns

Out -

Evander Kane - pending UFA
Ryan O’Reilly
2nd
3rd
Cliff Pu


In -

Brandon Montour
JT Miller
Jeff Skinner
Ryan Callahan
4th rounder
Danny O’Reagan
Tage Thompson
Vlad Sobotka


Am I missing anyone?

Again, that’s IF the Sabres pull off something like that in the Callahan deal their rumored to make
- OneKaneOneCup

IF we are able to completely RIP OFF Tampa Bay, averaging in the benefit of that theft with the debacle that was the ROR deal, will not make the debacle any less of a debacle.