No he hasn't. Seguin has a higher PPG and he hasn't had the luxury of playing with Crosby and Malkin for the past 4 seasons.
- JohnFergusonJr

Check again. Notice all the 80 point seasons kessel has had vs Seguin. And a few of those were with bozak. Your wrong on this one.

Isn't Marleau at 6.25 x 1 better than Perry at even 4.5 over two years. I think so.

They'd be better just eating half of Marleau's salary and trading him for nothing.
- The Law

His actual salary is pretty low isn't it? Might be able to send him off to a cap floor team without giving up much. Assuming he waives his NMC of course.

Isn't Marleau at 6.25 x 1 better than Perry at even 4.5 over two years. I think so.

They'd be better just eating half of Marleau's salary and trading him for nothing.
- The Law

It depend on how Perry's knee is. Perry would add a little snarl to the Leafs team.
It would be a better scenario if Anaheim bough him out and the Leafs sign him for 1.5 mil on 1 year deal.

His actual salary is pretty low isn't it? Might be able to send him off to a cap floor team without giving up much. Assuming he waives his NMC of course.
- RickJames77

Unless the playing field has changed, the thought here is that it's west coast - so if LA, Anaheim, San Jose or Arizona were cap floor teams that would work. None of them are.

So far only LA and Arizona have even really engaged in the conversation. I can't see what Arizona does in this conversation. Unless Hjalmarsson, Demers or Goligoski have fallen off a cliff . . . I don't know. Realistically, after July 2nd, Marleau is owed $1.25m in salary + $1.5m in bonus money on January 1.

I think a deal with Arizona seeks some form of cap equivalency (they can eat a bit but not much), but they'd probably be more of a money deal.

Goligoski is owed 9.8m in salary over 2 years (5.8 this year);
Hjalmarsson is owed $8m in salary over 2 years with another $2m in bonus money next year ($6m this year).
Demers is owed $3.6m this year, and $2.6 next year with a $1m bonus.

From those numbers, both Hjalmarsson and Goligoski save them about $6m in actual cash with a $1m cap increase this year.

I think LA has more cap freedom, but there's nothing really there. The third year on both Brown and Carter makes it unappetizing on the Leafs' side. The only guy that makes sense is Martinez, and then you're basically paying them in full for Martinez and a bit extra to take on Marleau's cap.

Unless the playing field has changed, the thought here is that it's west coast - so if LA, Anaheim, San Jose or Arizona were cap floor teams that would work. None of them are.

So far only LA and Arizona have even really engaged in the conversation. I can't see what Arizona does in this conversation. Unless Hjalmarsson, Demers or Goligoski have fallen off a cliff . . . I don't know. Realistically, after July 2nd, Marleau is owed $1.25m in salary + $1.5m in bonus money on January 1.

I think a deal with Arizona seeks some form of cap equivalency (they can eat a bit but not much), but they'd probably be more of a money deal.

Goligoski is owed 9.8m in salary over 2 years (5.8 this year);
Hjalmarsson is owed $8m in salary over 2 years with another $2m in bonus money next year ($6m this year).
Demers is owed $3.6m this year, and $2.6 next year with a $1m bonus.

From those numbers, both Hjalmarsson and Goligoski save them about $6m in actual cash with a $1m cap increase this year.

I think LA has more cap freedom, but there's nothing really there. The third year on both Brown and Carter makes it unappetizing on the Leafs' side. The only guy that makes sense is Martinez, and then you're basically paying them in full for Martinez and a bit extra to take on Marleau's cap.
- Monkeypunk

So your saying there's a chance

Seguin 582 points in 675 gp 0.8622 ppg.
Kessel 823 points in 996 gp for a .825 ppg.
Yet since the trade kessel has 697 points in 774 gp which is a 0.9 ppg.

Not to forget kessel 77 points in 87 playoff games to Seguin 32 in 62.

That's pretty even to me.

So the net sum of the failure of that trade is Hamilton.

His actual salary is pretty low isn't it? Might be able to send him off to a cap floor team without giving up much. Assuming he waives his NMC of course.
- RickJames77

after July 1st half of the 3 mil bonus is paid so the new team would be on the hook for about 2.75 mil. with a cap hit of 6.25 mil.

Unless the playing field has changed, the thought here is that it's west coast - so if LA, Anaheim, San Jose or Arizona were cap floor teams that would work. None of them are.

So far only LA and Arizona have even really engaged in the conversation. I can't see what Arizona does in this conversation. Unless Hjalmarsson, Demers or Goligoski have fallen off a cliff . . . I don't know. Realistically, after July 2nd, Marleau is owed $1.25m in salary + $1.5m in bonus money on January 1.

I think a deal with Arizona seeks some form of cap equivalency (they can eat a bit but not much), but they'd probably be more of a money deal.

Goligoski is owed 9.8m in salary over 2 years (5.8 this year);
Hjalmarsson is owed $8m in salary over 2 years with another $2m in bonus money next year ($6m this year).
Demers is owed $3.6m this year, and $2.6 next year with a $1m bonus.

From those numbers, both Hjalmarsson and Goligoski save them about $6m in actual cash with a $1m cap increase this year.

I think LA has more cap freedom, but there's nothing really there. The third year on both Brown and Carter makes it unappetizing on the Leafs' side. The only guy that makes sense is Martinez, and then you're basically paying them in full for Martinez and a bit extra to take on Marleau's cap.
- Monkeypunk

Fair points. Anaheim is a budget team though and always has been, so if they're looking to rebuild they'd probably need some low cash higher cap contracts. Especially ones that expire in the next few years.

Seguin 582 points in 675 gp 0.8622 ppg.
Kessel 823 points in 996 gp for a .825 ppg.
Yet since the trade kessel has 697 points in 774 gp which is a 0.9 ppg.

Not to forget kessel 77 points in 87 playoff games to Seguin 32 in 62.

That's pretty even to me.

So the net sum of the failure of that trade is Hamilton.
- mykokes

I think you're forgetting about a players age curve though. Seguin will outperform Kessel for years to come. He's 27 and Kessel is 31.

I think you're forgetting about a players age curve though. Seguin will outperform Kessel for years to come. He's 27 and Kessel is 31.
- RickJames77

Kessel is a freak. The guy doesn’t work out, but never misses a game and can still skate quite fast. He’s gonna play 1800 games, easily.

#RIPAHJAY
- RickJames77

I hope you get hit with a puck, go unconscious, only to wake up and find out that the Blues won. You suck, Ahjay.





8-0 Bruins

Kessel is a freak. The guy doesn’t work out, but never misses a game and can still skate quite fast. He’s gonna play 1800 games, easily.
- Steven_Seagull

Not necessarily denying that, but it doesn't mean his production will continue at the rate it was at during his prime, where as were looking at Seguin's numbers that are mostly prior to his prime and comparing them to Kessel's career, which has already seen his most productive years. Have we seen Seguin's most productive years to this point? I doubt it.

I hope you get hit with a puck, go unconscious, only to wake up and find out that the Blues won. You suck, Ahjay.





8-0 Bruins
- Steven_Seagull

Ouch

That'd be a screamer if it hit me half way up the Balcony

Ouch

That'd be a screamer if it hit me half way up the Balcony
- RickJames77

If it gets caught on camera, you could use a gif of it as a new avatar.


If...

If it gets caught on camera, you could use a gif of it as a new avatar.


If...
- Steven_Seagull

If, and only if, you use your Randy Johnson experience as your avatar.

I hope you get hit with a puck, go unconscious, only to wake up and find out that the Blues won. You suck, Ahjay.





8-0 Bruins
- Steven_Seagull

The team who scores first will win the cup tonight.

If, and only if, you use your Randy Johnson experience as your avatar.
- RickJames77

I'd take Perry on a 1 year, 1 million dollar deal if they buy him out.

But no way should they take him on his current deal. No way, no how.
- JohnFergusonJr

I dont think anyone would take him on his current deal, at least not any team he wants to play with. If they really are parting ways, buyout is likely the only real option. Also, his home is in London, he considered signing with the Leafs before going back to the Ducks on his last contract.

If the Leafs want him on a cheaper deal, id say there is a good chance it happens this off season. I think he would bring some sandpaper that the Leafs could use.

The team who scores first will win the cup tonight.
- zazzle

I agree...when the Blues score first it's over.

Seguin 582 points in 675 gp 0.8622 ppg.
Kessel 823 points in 996 gp for a .825 ppg.
Yet since the trade kessel has 697 points in 774 gp which is a 0.9 ppg.

Not to forget kessel 77 points in 87 playoff games to Seguin 32 in 62.

That's pretty even to me.

So the net sum of the failure of that trade is Hamilton.
- mykokes

And the fact that the leafs needed a center.
missed out on 3 cheap controllable years and several other controllable years.
Leafs wouldnt have 1.2m of wasted space on the cap either.....which we need.

Stats wise its close....and both have won cups with other teams, post leafs.

And the fact that the leafs needed a center.
missed out on 3 cheap controllable years and several other controllable years.
Leafs wouldnt have 1.2m of wasted space on the cap either.....which we need.

Stats wise its close....and both have won cups with other teams, post leafs.
- Fakepartofme

Stats wise it's close now, but I think my point that using stats from almost all of Kessel's peak/prime years while only a few of Seguin's isn't exactly fair is valid.

Stats wise it's close now, but I think my point that using stats from almost all of Kessel's peak/prime years while only a few of Seguin's isn't exactly fair is valid.
- RickJames77

Oh no I agree.
To get a better comparison you would have to view the stats over the same age timeline

Edit:
Oh and fack boston.

Oh no I agree.
To get a better comparison you would have to view the stats over the same age timeline

Edit:
Oh and fack boston.
- Fakepartofme

That's the spirit.

GO BLUES GO!

Isn't Marleau at 6.25 x 1 better than Perry at even 4.5 over two years. I think so.

They'd be better just eating half of Marleau's salary and trading him for nothing.
- The Law

Ya tough to say. Perry could have a bounce back like ah Eric staal and be really helpful.

Ya tough to say. Perry could have a bounce back like ah Eric staal and be really helpful.
- bryant

Was Staal’s production slowed because of injury though? I don’t think it was. Perry, on the other hand, has recent bad injury problems and has a lot of miles on those tires. I didn’t look, but I’d imagine the playoff disparity in GP is a fat one.