Can the Jets not trade Maurice for Boudreau?
The jets get a coach that has a history of winning the division with talented teams. Maurice gets his dream team, one filled with a bunch of old vets that he can trust to play the hockey he likes.

Go back and re-read my original post!
- TheUltimateJet

Buff is not the reason the Jets haven't won a cup. Buff won in Chicago and was a key part of that team. He was less fit and was a more one-dimensional player at that time in his career.

I think I understand what you are saying but then you have to consider players like Bowmeester who didn't even play in a playoff game until around 10 seasons into his career.

Buff is not the problem and can be part of the solution if he wants to be.

Can the Jets not trade Maurice for Boudreau?
The jets get a coach that has a history of winning the division with talented teams. Maurice gets his dream team, one filled with a bunch of old vets that he can trust to play the hockey he likes.
- BWJumper

I don't know why coaches aren't sometimes traded like players are. The closest was Keenan (after NYR?) was signed by (St.Louis or Vancouver?) but still had a contract with the Rangers(?) and compensation was required.

more recently Torts went to Vancouver and AV went to the Rangers after both were fired. to me it would have been easier to trade them.

Buff is not the reason the Jets haven't won a cup. Buff won in Chicago and was a key part of that team. He was less fit and was a more one-dimensional player at that time in his career.

I think I understand what you are saying but then you have to consider players like Bowmeester who didn't even play in a playoff game until around 10 seasons into his career.

Buff is not the problem and can be part of the solution if he wants to be.
- 2.0

Agreed, Buff is not the problem. Perhaps the problem is - what is Buff going to do? I am 99% sure the Jets brass know, they are just not saying.

Should it be known that he be retiring or wanting a trade (kind of doubt it), it would weaken the Jets trade wise in the sense other teams would believe they had the Jets over the barrel in a sense of urgency.

If I was laying out some $$$ gambling wise - I think Buff is finished. Either that or the Jets want to get some leeway cap wise by having Buff stay out for what, a month?

Pete - this is the first time I have seen the Buff/Wheeler dynamic elaborated on. Is this speculation or do you see it as established fact of their relationship? I think its obvious enough that they have different approaches to their competitiveness but that it is a significant rift is not something I have heard from anything more reliable than conjecture. Can you elaborate?

Agreed, Buff is not the problem. Perhaps the problem is - what is Buff going to do? I am 99% sure the Jets brass know, they are just not saying.

Should it be known that he be retiring or wanting a trade (kind of doubt it), it would weaken the Jets trade wise in the sense other teams would believe they had the Jets over the barrel in a sense of urgency.

If I was laying out some $$$ gambling wise - I think Buff is finished. Either that or the Jets want to get some leeway cap wise by having Buff stay out for what, a month?
- grahamzky

The whole Buf situation is weird. Word was he was / is he is contemplating retirement but now PT says that he might be looking to get traded?

So, how does any of this add any sort of value for Buf's services?

Two years left at 7.5 mill cap hit, 8 mill in real dollars this year and 6 next year.

So, let's say he is traded, and I doubt Chevy wants to give him away so there is something coming back. The new team gives up something of value I would suspect, how can the new team be confident that he does not do the same thing again next year at training camp with the new team?

Ah shucks, sorry new team, I changed my mind, I'd rather be fishing instead of playing hockey so I am going home.

The whole situation is weird.

Agreed, Buff is not the problem. Perhaps the problem is - what is Buff going to do? I am 99% sure the Jets brass know, they are just not saying.

Should it be known that he be retiring or wanting a trade (kind of doubt it), it would weaken the Jets trade wise in the sense other teams would believe they had the Jets over the barrel in a sense of urgency.

If I was laying out some $$$ gambling wise - I think Buff is finished. Either that or the Jets want to get some leeway cap wise by having Buff stay out for what, a month?
- grahamzky

It is interesting that Byfuglien begins to contemplate retirement the same season his full NMC expires. Just noting a fact!

It is interesting that Byfuglien begins to contemplate retirement the same season his full NMC expires. Just noting a fact!
- TheUltimateJet

It was Modified NTC last year and the next two according to Cap Friendly. NMC was 2016/17, 2017/18 and Modified NTC kicked in last year already.

Pete - this is the first time I have seen the Buff/Wheeler dynamic elaborated on. Is this speculation or do you see it as established fact of their relationship? I think its obvious enough that they have different approaches to their competitiveness but that it is a significant rift is not something I have heard from anything more reliable than conjecture. Can you elaborate?
- 2.0

Well considering that Byfuglien can be both the your best power play player and the best penalty killer for the other team at the same time, its no wonder he frustrates Wheeler. Gets rid of sustained pressure of the power play.

How many times have we seen through the years, Byfuglien missing the net only to see the puck ricochet of the back glass and out of the zone? Also, watching the games live, I have seen him lollygag his way to back to his own defensive end and get his defensive partner to get the puck out to him so he can move it up.

Even with his deficiencies, I do like him, but as I stated before, its time for a change.

It is interesting that Byfuglien begins to contemplate retirement the same season his full NMC expires. Just noting a fact!
- TheUltimateJet

Threatening to retire is as good as a full no move clause. Jeff Carter just played this card as well when the Kings looked to move him, he does not have a no move or even a limited no trade and when rumours came out he’d be traded he just said he would retire, wouldn’t report and give up his remaining owed salary and guess what, no move.

Threatening to retire is as good as a full no move clause. Jeff Carter just played this card as well when the Kings looked to move him, he does not have a no move or even a limited no trade and when rumours came out he’d be traded he just said he would retire, wouldn’t report and give up his remaining owed salary and guess what, no move.
- Ross77

There you go. One thing for sure, we don`t have all the facts and who knows, maybe this scenario played out?

Threatening to retire is as good as a full no move clause. Jeff Carter just played this card as well when the Kings looked to move him, he does not have a no move or even a limited no trade and when rumours came out he’d be traded he just said he would retire, wouldn’t report and give up his remaining owed salary and guess what, no move.
- Ross77

So essentially Byfuglien is screwing with the Jets because they had a potential trade on the table? Is that what you are implying?

So essentially Byfuglien is screwing with the Jets because they had a potential trade on the table? Is that what you are implying?
- TheUltimateJet

No that’s not what I’m saying at all.
I’m just saying a player playing Late into his career with or without a no move can always retire if they choose instead of being traded.
I have no idea what’s up with buff

Can the Jets not trade Maurice for Boudreau?
The jets get a coach that has a history of winning the division with talented teams. Maurice gets his dream team, one filled with a bunch of old vets that he can trust to play the hockey he likes.
- BWJumper

I'd make that trade.....

No that’s not what I’m saying at all.
I’m just saying a player playing Late into his career with or without a no move can always retire if they choose instead of being traded.
I have no idea what’s up with buff
- Ross77

Well if he is choosing retirement over being traded, does that mean he would rather play in Winnipeg than any other market in the NHL? If that is the case, would that not contradict what other posters keep posting about no one wanting to play in Winnipeg?

Help me out Ross77, I am so confused

Well if he is choosing retirement over being traded, does that mean he would rather play in Winnipeg than any other market in the NHL? If that is the case, would that not contradict what other posters keep posting about no one wanting to play in Winnipeg?

Help me out Ross77, I am so confused
- TheUltimateJet

I cant you are confusing with me with too many assumptions and what ifs

I cant you are confusing with me with too many assumptions and what ifs
- Ross77

Don't think I have made any assumptions, just challenging the narrative that "nobody wants to play in Winnipeg", that many posters on this site keep posting.

Buff will be back in a month, or less.

Buff will be back in a month, or less.
- Ross77

I hope not! I want to see Morrissey on the top power play unit. I cannot imagine the "big dog" being too happy about not being on the top unit if he returns.

Given the strife in the room, not sure Wheeler should be wearing the ‘C’ anymore.
- JetsRawk

maybe the room needs someone to grind them and sift out the chaff. Maybe they have been too loose, or, fatalistic about their approach to winning. I am not in there and cannot make that judgement - all I know is that the issues were significant enough to make it public in a few different ways. Solving it requires tact and wisdom of the captains, coach and GM.

Buff will be back in a month, or less.
- Ross77

I'm sure the Jets don't mind if he misses a few games to give them some cap flexibility. But take the long view with Buff, if he doesn't retire now then probably in April, or at least the Jets want to know before July 1 so they can make moves to improve the team, which they can't do because they are already at the cap limit with Buff's hit next year. And if he does come back next year that would almost for sure be it for him.

Point is there is no future with Buff, the sooner this becomes Morrissey's defense to lead the better the Jets will be in the long term.

I would/will miss Buff from an entertainment point of view, however, we are talking about a guy who wanders all over the ice, won't get his body in front of a shot, and is lazy when caught out of position.Tons of talent, but a coach's nightmare.....IMO

I would/will miss Buff from an entertainment point of view, however, we are talking about a guy who wanders all over the ice, won't get his body in front of a shot, and is lazy when caught out of position.Tons of talent, but a coach's nightmare.....IMO
- bennythehat

My bigger worry regarding the unexpected suprise of Buff not being here, is not having the depth or experience we need on D ,especially on the road. Tonight will be the first test , and you can bet your bottom dollar that Dave Quinn will be salivating at having the last change for his top two lines against our two bottom-pairing defenders. Tommorow , it New Jersey's turn but at least we might have a more experienced Dahlstrom to fill in against NJ.

My bigger worry regarding the unexpected suprise of Buff not being here, is not having the depth or experience we need on D ,especially on the road. Tonight will be the first test , and you can bet your bottom dollar that Dave Quinn will be salivating at having the last change for his top two lines against our two bottom-pairing defenders. Tommorow , it New Jersey's turn but at least we might have a more experienced Dahlstrom to fill in against NJ.
- jetsnation

Exactly what happened tonight. Quinn had the Zibanajed line up against Heinola all night. Heinola really showed his lack of speed and inexperience. We really need Buff back so I hope he makes a favorable decision. Barring an injury situation I truly don't think Heinola is good enough yet. IMHO, no more than 9 games for him.

Who wanted to trade Ehlers ? Crazy thinking .

Well fellas,
Good news;
Ehlers looked awesome!!!!

overall The D were not horrible but...see below

Bad news;
Hellybuyck was horrible, .839 save percentage will not win any games

Bietto is also horrible and shouldn’t play agin

Get Kulikov off top pair