It was unfortunate kassian was an even bigger female dog. His coke problem was off the grid and he was an embarrassment
- CanuckDon

Then they brought in mentor character guy Prust who quit on the team and mentor cokehead Vanek to settle things back down

He wouldn’t have here. He would be a crack head in the east end. Good for him.
- CanuckDon

Yup

We need a guy who plays like him.

Yet he turned his life around
- VanHockeyGuy

But it didn't help the Canucks at all.

The fact is we drafted a highly touted 10 th OA that ended up getting us less than 50 Goals and less than 100 pts combined , so no I am not worried about how a 18 year old prospect is doing playing in a men's league.

Yup

We need a guy who plays like him.
- VanHockeyGuy

Too many choir boys

Then they brought in mentor character guy Prust who quit on the team and mentor cokehead Vanek to settle things back down
- Nucker101

Oh (frank) off. You loved the coke machine

http://www.hockeydb.com/ihdb/stats/pdisplay.php?pid=96546

Hodgson scored 17 G and 18 A total 35 pts as a Canuck. That is a waste of a 10 th OA in my opinion.
- VANTEL

How does that even fit into comparing WJC output to NHL? The Canucks traded him before the end of his rookie season but he did have a good rookie season.

We were talking bout player projections and comparing their WJC production. Not what the GM did as a management decision.

One player scores in the WJC and in the NHL, the other doesnt do well at all in the WJC(so far but that can change) and it's yet to be determined if that will continue in the NHL.

The elephant in the room is your numbers reflect what a player only did in less than one season before being traded as a rookie.... not someone who failed to produce for the Canucks as a 10oa... he did that quite well in his 71 or so games over 2 seasons.

Luc Bourdon was a wasted 10oa as well. You cant predict these things. At the time, the pick made sense. Accidents and injuries happen.

Oh (frank) off. You loved the coke machine
- CanuckDon

Exactly. I loved both coke machines

Yet he turned his life around
- VanHockeyGuy

Yeah but not until 3 teams walked away from him in disgust. Not just that but after 2 traded him for his out of control partying, he ends up in a life threatening crash with some bar groupies in the wee hours of the morning and the woman driving was impaired on both booze and coke.

I love that he turned his life around but I'm glad the Canucks didnt have to put up with all that and he is not a center piece forward or anything. He dosnt even have a PP point. He's a great 3rd wheel sometimes 5 on 5 for the magic duo. Otherwise he's just another annoying bottom 6 crash and bang player. I would like this version of Kassian just fine but not at the price of being patient with all his past problems. I'd take him in a fair trade now that he has proven he can be trusted. He deserves the trust now.

But it didn't help the Canucks at all.

The fact is we drafted a highly touted 10 th OA that ended up getting us less than 50 Goals and less than 100 pts combined , so no I am not worried about how a 18 year old prospect is doing playing in a men's league.
- VANTEL

How is one related to the other unless we think Posz wont be a Canuck after 71 games.

How does that even fit into comparing WJC output to NHL? The Canucks traded him before the end of his rookie season but he did have a good rookie season.

We were talking bout player projections and comparing their WJC production. Not what the GM did as a management decision.

One player scores in the WJC and in the NHL, the other doesnt do well at all in the WJC(so far but that can change) and it's yet to be determined if that will continue in the NHL.

The elephant in the room is your numbers reflect what a player only did in less than one season before being traded as a rookie.... not someone who failed to produce for the Canucks as a 10oa... he did that quite well in his 71 or so games over 2 seasons.

Luc Bourdon was a wasted 10oa as well. You cant predict these things. At the time, the pick made sense. Accidents and injuries happen.
- boonerbuck

So I am the one answering Don's original question that was directed at me, do I have no concern about Pod point production . I answer no and say we drafted another player with good production and it did not turn out good.

Like usual you involve yourself and tell me I don't know what I am talking about . In your usual style you want to jump in and tell someone they are wrong.

If I am going to get into a debate with someone telling me how I should think I want it to be with someone with a good Wifi connection so I am not arguing with someone that takes three hours for his wifi to kick in and respond.

I don't give a fuk how Cody did the rest of his career it did not help the Canucks one bit.

You can throw any facts or comments you want but I am not concerned with Podkolzen . Deal with it.

So I am the one answering Don's original question that was directed at me, do I have no concern about Pod point production . I answer no and say we drafted another player with good production and it did not turn out good.

Like usual you involve yourself and tell me I don't know what I am talking about . In your usual style you want to jump in and tell someone they are wrong.

If I am going to get into a debate with someone telling me how I should think I want it to be with someone with a good Wifi connection so I am not arguing with someone that takes three hours for his wifi to kick in and respond.

I don't give a fuk how Cody did the rest of his career it did not help the Canucks one bit.

You can throw any facts or comments you want but I am not concerned with Podkolzen . Deal with it.
- VANTEL

Me neither. I look forward to seeing him on the team.

Me neither. I look forward to seeing him on the team.
- Reubenkincade

He is 18 and I like his game already.

He is 18 and I like his game already.
- VANTEL

I caught him in some games last season and enjoyed watching him. His style of play is fun to watch.
I am sure the Russian factor plays into the opinions of some on here, but who cares, I was sorely wrong on both Elias and Quinn, these guys will be sorely wrong on Podkolzin.👍

I caught him in some games last season and enjoyed watching him. His style of play is fun to watch.
I am sure the Russian factor plays into the opinions of some on here, but who cares, I was sorely wrong on both Elias and Quinn, these guys will be sorely wrong on Podkolzin.👍
- Reubenkincade

I see the world renown Russian coach using him in all key situations so I really don't care what some on here think( Not meant at anyone or to insult anyone) If posters on here don't like him fine, I like him.

You put 100 people in a room and you will have many different opinions. I will leave it up to the GM and coaches (Russia) to decide if he is a bust or not.

I see the world renown Russian coach using him in all key situations so I really don't care what some on here think( Not meant at anyone or to insult anyone)

You put 100 people in a room and you will have many different opinions. I will leave it up to the GM and coaches (Russia) to decide if he is a bust or not.
- VANTEL

Lots of “world renowned” professional hockey men have been wrong before, not saying they are in Pods case, just that it’s just so hard to predict outside of the top three or five best kids in every draft.

Look at Juolevi, kids got size, he can skate, he had good numbers in junior, a great WJC and yet he’s an absolute bust who’s turning 22. Then you have Pettersson who was this skinny kid who a lot of GM’s and pro scouts doubted could translate his game to the rough and tumble NHL, they were all wrong.

Lots of “world renowned” professional hockey men have been wrong before, not saying they are in Pods case, just that it’s just so hard to predict outside of the top three or five best kids in every draft.

Look at Juolevi, kids got size, he can skate, he had good numbers in junior, a great WJC and yet he’s an absolute bust who’s turning 22. Then you have Pettersson who was this skinny kid who a lot of GM’s and pro scouts doubted could translate his game to the rough and tumble NHL, they were all wrong.
- LeftCoaster

I am not happy with Juolevi pick either but to be honest his game is really picking up. He has 6 assists in the last 3 games and you don't see many blunders now.

Tomorrow he could be injured again so even though I didn't like that pick there is still a chance he can give a few good years .

One thing I really like about Pod is his puck retrieval

I see the world renown Russian coach using him in all key situations so I really don't care what some on here think( Not meant at anyone or to insult anyone) If posters on here don't like him fine, I like him.

You put 100 people in a room and you will have many different opinions. I will leave it up to the GM and coaches (Russia) to decide if he is a bust or not.
- VANTEL

No choice to live with the pick & enjoy his skill set no matter what we wished did happen.

Overall we have good depth & variety in prospects. Only lacking that other stud D man.

I can see Podk being a 45-50 pt F but adds a lot to the rest of the game. Hoagie & Lind can fill in scoring needs for depth.

I am not happy with Juolevi pick either but to be honest his game is really picking up. He has 6 assists in the last 3 games and you don't see many blunders now.

Tomorrow he could be injured again so even though I didn't like that pick there is still a chance he can give a few good years .
- VANTEL

I just used him as an example but there’s tons of examples where professional hockey people that scout for a living are wrong. Look at Milan Lucic, he could fight like few others in junior and was drafted in the second round after a 9 goal season. The guy went on to score five 20 goal seasons in the NHL. Who knew!

I just used him as an example but there’s tons of examples where professional hockey people that scout for a living are wrong. Look at Milan Lucic, he could fight like few others in junior and was drafted in the second round after a 9 goal season. The guy went on to score five 20 goal seasons in the NHL. Who knew!
- LeftCoaster

Exactly . Boston got a great deal when he was there and a good return in a trade.

I don't know how Pod will turn out and neither does anyone else.

My original quote to Don was I like the pick and I am not worried. It's all good.

I just used him as an example but there’s tons of examples where professional hockey people that scout for a living are wrong. Look at Milan Lucic, he could fight like few others in junior and was drafted in the second round after a 9 goal season. The guy went on to score five 20 goal seasons in the NHL. Who knew!
- LeftCoaster

Your quote earlier was accurate . I don't know about drafting and neither do you. To expand it most here have no idea about drafting.

I express who I like and why but I have no clue if they will turn out or not. Some people mistake my likes as facts.

Exactly . Boston got a great deal when he was there and a good return in a trade.

I don't know how Pod will turn out and neither does anyone else.

My original quote to Don was I like the pick and I am not worried. It's all good.
- VANTEL

Maybe, hopefully, his game translates better into the NHL with the smaller ice surface?

Maybe, hopefully, his game translates better into the NHL with the smaller ice surface?
- LeftCoaster

Shorter distance to chase the puck around.

An NHL coke habit will also suit his skillset.

So I am the one answering Don's original question that was directed at me, do I have no concern about Pod point production . I answer no and say we drafted another player with good production and it did not turn out good.

Like usual you involve yourself and tell me I don't know what I am talking about . In your usual style you want to jump in and tell someone they are wrong.

If I am going to get into a debate with someone telling me how I should think I want it to be with someone with a good Wifi connection so I am not arguing with someone that takes three hours for his wifi to kick in and respond.

I don't give a fuk how Cody did the rest of his career it did not help the Canucks one bit.

You can throw any facts or comments you want but I am not concerned with Podkolzen . Deal with it.
- VANTEL

What? You are giving me grief about getting involved in a Podz discussion in the Canucks thread? PM people if you want private discussions. Also, HB is a horrible place to hang if you dislike people disagreeing with you this much. Chill out.

I'm out of my place for getting involved in the discussion? If it wasnt about hockey, sure maybe. But come on... you seem to have a comment for any Canuck discussion between people. There's no entitlement on here since Fosco left.

I would still like to know how the situation of a player being traded has its place in the WJC production argument.... I liked Don's question. It's a good one. He hasnt scored much in the last year and a half or more internationally. I don't see the point that a 10oa may get traded and only provide X amount of points before then addresse's the question. No need to get upset. You don't even have to answer and just let it pass if you are without answer.... but to freak out and point at the person as stepping out of place is laughable.