Hockey66
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While it's good value, I'd try not to trade Blueger. And unless they trade Brodin, I don't see why they'd want Blueger because they have a good rookie on the 3rd pair. Galch doesn't even make sense because the problem they need to solve is too many LWs, not enough C or RW. And they need a goalie. - Tojo.
I wouldn't get too hung up on who "needs" Galch because probably most teams outside of Buffalo don't need a guy like Galch. Even though he is the big name, I think he will be used to balance out salaries and is an expiring contract. As JR mentioned, an expiring contract has value, especially for a team looking to free up roster spots and salary in the offseason. In this case, Blueger or Riikola would be the centerpiece of the trade.
I agree not wanting to trade Blueger. However, I think we'll need to give up someone we don't want to give up to get a guy like Zucker. I mean, Blueger is 25.5 years old now and is still not much of a producer. I would almost be more inclined to do a Blueger for Staal swap to keep the center position intact. |
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123Kid
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Take it for what it is worth:
NHL Hockey Trade Rumors on twitter claiming that the Pens are looking at a
Zucker
For
Galchenyuk and a young roster player (they named Rikkola or Blueger)
Good Lord I hope they are full of $hit on that!!! - Doogs
I would take Zucker for Galchenyuk and Rikkola. I really like Bluegar. I think they will land Zucker for Galchenyuk, a pick and an AHL player (maybe someone like Adam Johnson). That would be my assumption, but it all depends on hows Zucker's play is following the injury. Currently he is 2 games back from injury and not really playing the same as he did previously. Who knows Galchenyuk for Zucker may become a bigger possibility if Galchenyuk starts putting up points. |
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MattStrat
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Location: ...serial abuser...and misuser...of the ellipsis , NF Joined: 12.12.2014
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Galch can be flipped again for picks if a team takes him making the return for whoever traded to the Pens for Galch a little better.
What about a 1st and Rikky for Zucker. I mean, ideally JJ, but that's not happening.
Or Galch, Rikky and next year's 2nd |
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668710
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Location: "Give him a chance" -Barnaby36, PA Joined: 06.25.2011
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Take it for what it is worth:
NHL Hockey Trade Rumors on twitter claiming that the Pens are looking at a
Zucker
For
Galchenyuk and a young roster player (they named Rikkola or Blueger)
Good Lord I hope they are full of $hit on that!!! - Doogs
Galch and Rikki and I wouldn't have a chance to blink before I moved them for Zucker lol |
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123Kid
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I do wonder if they would trade Bluegar if Bjugstad can show he can take over in that role successfully |
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668710
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I do wonder if they would trade Bluegar if Bjugstad can show he can take over in that role successfully - 123Kid
Didn't think about that. But I'd rather have Blue. I wonder if Guerin has any interest in Bjugstad after he returns. |
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Rinosaur
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Location: Somewhere, NJ Joined: 01.21.2016
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Are people really concerned about moving Blueger for Zucker?
At least for this season they have Bjugstad to play 4C. I mean come on, talk about about about an embarrassment of riches if that’s the case.
I like Blueger, but an above average a 4C is very replaceable next year, folks. Getting a legit top-six winger like Zucker cost-controlled for the remainder of the Sid/Geno era for 4C and a bum? Yes, please. |
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MattStrat
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Are people really concerned about moving Blueger for Zucker?
At least for this season they have Bjugstad to play 4C. I mean come on, talk about about about an embarrassment of riches if that’s the case.
I like Blueger, but an above average a 4C is very replaceable next year, folks. Getting a legit top-six winger like Zucker cost-controlled for the remainder of the Sid/Geno era for 4C and a bum? Yes, please. - Rinosaur
I kind of lean towards your opinion here but understand the others too.
I think the reluctance to this is just how effective not only Bluey's line is but also how good the team chemistry is. People are afraid to F with an already good thing.
The Pens were looking pretty damn good until that Brassard trade, which pretty much everyone wanted and thought was a good move....then they werent the same cohesive team after Brassard. |
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MattStrat
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Didn't think about that. But I'd rather have Blue. I wonder if Guerin has any interest in Bjugstad after he returns. - 668710
This is my hope...that its Bjugs getting shipped...and Galch.
If they shipped out Bjugs, Galch and put Jake on IR thats 15 million cap space haha |
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Maybe it's me (probably is) but I'd rather keep Riik and Blu and offer something else for Zucker. Honestly I'd go Bjug, Galch and a pick if needed. To me moving Blu is screwing with not only one of the best shutdown lines this teams had in years but it's also a chemistry thing. Wasn't Blu playing 2C a few weeks ago? I also like Riik because (possible recency bias) but I feel more comfortable with him than I do Ruw, and moving him would mean Ruw is basically a lock as the 6/7. |
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MattStrat
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Maybe it's me (probably is) but I'd rather keep Riik and Blu and offer something else for Zucker. Honestly I'd go Bjug, Galch and a pick if needed. To me moving Blu is screwing with not only one of the best shutdown lines this teams had in years but it's also a chemistry thing. Wasn't Blu playing 2C a few weeks ago? I also like Riik because (possible recency bias) but I feel more comfortable with him than I do Ruw, and moving him would mean Ruw is basically a lock as the 6/7. - iworkatinitech
When Schultz returns Ruw is not a lock.
JJ-Tang
Pett-Marino
Rikky-Schultz
And what about when Dumo returns?
EDIT: you said that in reference to moving Rikky...so forget what I just said haha |
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Rinosaur
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Location: Somewhere, NJ Joined: 01.21.2016
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I kind of lean towards your opinion here but understand the others too.
I think the reluctance to this is just how effective not only Bluey's line is but also how good the team chemistry is. People are afraid to F with an already good thing.
The Pens were looking pretty damn good until that Brassard trade, which pretty much everyone wanted and thought was a good move....then they werent the same cohesive team after Brassard. - MattStrat
The Blueger line is awesome, don't get me wrong, but the Pens were playing really well before that line was put together. Right now everyone is on the same page so while yes, some lines are finding chemistry, everyone sees to be finding success.
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Thunderbolt
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While it's good value, I'd try not to trade Blueger. And unless they trade Brodin, I don't see why they'd want Blueger because they have a good rookie on the 3rd pair. Galch doesn't even make sense because the problem they need to solve is too many LWs, not enough C or RW. And they need a goalie. - Tojo.
We have an extra one of those. |
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MattStrat
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The Blueger line is awesome, don't get me wrong, but the Pens were playing really well before that line was put together. Right now everyone is on the same page so while yes, some lines are finding chemistry, everyone sees to be finding success. - Rinosaur
That's a good point. |
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Thunderbolt
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Location: Wampum, PA Joined: 01.20.2014
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I wouldn't get too hung up on who "needs" Galch because probably most teams outside of Buffalo don't need a guy like Galch. Even though he is the big name, I think he will be used to balance out salaries and is an expiring contract. As JR mentioned, an expiring contract has value, especially for a team looking to free up roster spots and salary in the offseason. In this case, Blueger or Riikola would be the centerpiece of the trade.
I agree not wanting to trade Blueger. However, I think we'll need to give up someone we don't want to give up to get a guy like Zucker. I mean, Blueger is 25.5 years old now and is still not much of a producer. I would almost be more inclined to do a Blueger for Staal swap to keep the center position intact. - Hockey66
Blueger not producing? 6G 10A 16 pts; playing shut down role.
Simon: 5G 13A 18pts; playing almost exclusively top six.
Not to mention the shoot out stats.
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Thunderbolt
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Location: Wampum, PA Joined: 01.20.2014
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I do wonder if they would trade Bluegar if Bjugstad can show he can take over in that role successfully - 123Kid
Bjugstad is playing out of position here, he is better at right wing. Bjugstad is the guy you trade. |
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MattStrat
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Location: ...serial abuser...and misuser...of the ellipsis , NF Joined: 12.12.2014
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Bjugstad is playing out of position here, he is better at right wing. Bjugstad is the guy you trade. - Thunderbolt
Why do you say that? |
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Rinosaur
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Location: Somewhere, NJ Joined: 01.21.2016
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That's a good point. - MattStrat
Look, I'm a big fan of Blueger. He's been able to play well in a 3C role and is being paid peanuts, but being able to have both Zucker and Jake in the top six under reasonable cost? You can't balk at Chuck + Blueger. At this point I have full confidence that JR would look for a suitable replacement for Blueger and not just a warm body.
Would I prefer Bjugstad? Totally. Plus, I think the Pens can't just rest with Zucker. They still need one more winger, but Guerin is getting completely fleeced if Blueger, Chucky and a pick get this done. |
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Rinosaur
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Location: Somewhere, NJ Joined: 01.21.2016
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Blueger not producing? 6G 10A 16 pts; playing shut down role.
Simon: 5G 13A 18pts; playing almost exclusively top six.
Not to mention the shoot out stats. - Thunderbolt
Simon and Blueger have two completely different skill sets. I honestly think that while Simon at center hasn't blown the doors off anything this season that he'd be great at 4C.
I think people forget that Lafferty also held his own at center earlier this year pretty well and he's also at least an option to try for a few games. |
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MattStrat
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Look, I'm a big fan of Blueger. He's been able to play well in a 3C role and is being paid peanuts, but being able to have both Zucker and Jake in the top six under reasonable cost? You can't balk at Chuck + Blueger. At this point I have full confidence that JR would look for a suitable replacement for Blueger and not just a warm body.
Would I prefer Bjugstad? Totally. Plus, I think the Pens can't just rest with Zucker. They still need one more winger, but Guerin is getting completely fleeced if Blueger, Chucky and a pick get this done. - Rinosaur
First off, I just accidentally flagged this. Sorry.
Secondly, completely fleeced? I think thats a bit exaggerated, especially if the pick is high. Galch would most likely turn into at least one more pick for them too.
I'm sticking to Galch, Bjugs (or Rikky) and a 1st for Zucker. |
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Thunderbolt
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Why do you say that? - MattStrat
When the Pens played Florida, I was listening to 93.7. I don't recall who the personality was, as I only listen to that station when I am with my father. Anyway, Bill Lindsey was on and he was asked about Bjugstad. His reply was Florida used him primarily at RW, his best attribute was his ability to fore-check. He was very quick to attack the D and force turnovers.
I have listened to Lindsey on the NHL Network and feel he is biased against Pittsburgh. He takes joy is criticizing the organization, so there is that. |
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Rinosaur
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Location: Somewhere, NJ Joined: 01.21.2016
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First off, I just accidentally flagged this. Sorry.
Secondly, completely fleeced? I think thats a bit exaggerated, especially if the pick is high. Galch would most likely turn into at least one more pick for them too.
I'm sticking to Galch, Bjugs (or Rikky) and a 1st for Zucker. - MattStrat
If any of the media reports are true it doesn't sound like JR has been able to get any buyers on Chucky so making him part of a deal that brings any top-nine, let alone top-six winger, is a huge return.
Also yes, while Blueger is a quality 4C, he's still a 4C. I've been ecstatic how he's performed in a 3C role, but he's not a 3C IMO.
So a throw-away player in Chucky, a 4C and a late 1st round in a draft that's looking pretty thin for legit top-six winger? Not to mention one who epitomizes the style/system Sullivan has made this team? Fleecing.
Yes though, I would prefer Bjugstad + Chuck. |
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MattStrat
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When the Pens played Florida, I was listening to 93.7. I don't recall who the personality was, as I only listen to that station when I am with my father. Anyway, Bill Lindsey was on and he was asked about Bjugstad. His reply was Florida used him primarily at RW, his best attribute was his ability to fore-check. He was very quick to attack the D and force turnovers.
I have listened to Lindsey on the NHL Network and feel he is biased against Pittsburgh. He takes joy is criticizing the organization, so there is that. - Thunderbolt
I dont think Bjugs is fast at anything and that's one of my concerns for him as a top 6 winger. As a Penguin at all, actually. I will say however, last year anyway, he was good at keeping the puck down low and cycling...as a C. |
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Thunderbolt
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Location: Wampum, PA Joined: 01.20.2014
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Simon and Blueger have two completely different skill sets. I honestly think that while Simon at center hasn't blown the doors off anything this season that he'd be great at 4C.
I think people forget that Lafferty also held his own at center earlier this year pretty well and he's also at least an option to try for a few games. - Rinosaur
I am going to push back on this. Blueger is fast, carries the puck thru the neutral zone, battles in the corners and along the walls. The same skills everyone likes about Simon.
The areas he is better than Simon are; he drives the net, battles in front of net and also has a sneaky shot.
The big difference I see between them is the fact Blueger looks to shoot whereas Simon only shoots when there is no other option.
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Rinosaur
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I am going to push back on this. Blueger is fast, carries the puck thru the neutral zone, battles in the corners and along the walls. The same skills everyone likes about Simon.
The areas he is better than Simon are; he drives the net, battles in front of net and also has a sneaky shot.
The big difference I see between them is the fact Blueger looks to shoot whereas Simon only shoots when there is no other option. - Thunderbolt
Simon's passing and puck-skills are far superior to Blueger. Defensively they are about equal. While Simon's production in the top-six equal that of Blueger in the bottom, I think Blueger would completely drown if he tried to play in the top-six. |
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