U can say that about pretty much every winger in the league that makes over $2mil

It’s a horrible comparison
- jdfitz77

There are players that outperform their cap hits, there are players who don’t.

More or less the teams that are playing deep into May have a lot more players outperforming their contracts then they do underperforming.

Skinner will not be one of those players.

Skinner needs a 2C just like 90% of the rest of the wingers in the league yet we can pay someone to get 45-50 points on the 2nd line for half the price. That is my issue.

Keep losing though and we have a shot at getting a 2C that can help Skinner produce.

Carolina jumped from 83 pts the year with Skinner to 99 the year after they dealt him. Gain by subtraction? Players practiced harder? No idea but they didn't miss him.
- GilPerreault11

Same ridiculous argument that ppl used against ROR

You want a good team, u build around good players
Skinner IS GOOD
We just need MORE good players

It’s not that complicated

Lots of assumptions.

Last 7 game's he's on a 22 point season pace.
You know- when we were trying to play meaningful hockey.....

It's so weird that eichel is injured and now the line is struggling. Its almost like playing on a line without eichel?
- Boss34

I know the glasses you wear are rose colored, but damn ...
The last 7 games?
Jesus this was over when they came out of the AS break with 9 of 10 games at home and sh!t the bed.
The last 7 games were window dressing for those hoping Xmas will come again, lol.

Lovely hindsight
But last summer, your argument was that we shouldn’t “overpay” Skinner

Does that extra $1mil or so make a difference in the standings?
No, it doesn’t
- jdfitz77

The $2M possibly could have made a difference yes.

There are players that outperform their cap hits, there are players who don’t.

More or less the teams that are playing deep into May have a lot more players outperforming their contracts then they do underperforming.

Skinner will not be one of those players.

Skinner needs a 2C just like 90% of the rest of the wingers in the league yet we can pay someone to get 45-50 points on the 2nd line for half the price. That is my issue.

Keep losing though and we have a shot at getting a 2C that can help Skinner produce.
- Pegullaville

That’s all well & good

Just stop using an argument with Tyler Ennis being more productive for the $$$ that u could also use against OV, PK88, and so on
It doesn’t hold up
There will always be guys who outproduce small contracts proportional to those who make big ones
That doesn’t invalidate how good or bad the expensive players are

Same ridiculous argument that ppl used against ROR

You want a good team, u build around good players
Skinner IS GOOD
We just need MORE good players

It’s not that complicated
- jdfitz77

They didn't want that "good" player so they could pay other good players that was money better spent. Take a look at our budget close to the cap and look at the record, it doesn't match. Not that hard.

You’re making unfounded assumptions on every level of your argument

Skinner is better than Olofsson, right?
How do u know that line wouldn’t just produce 50more shots with him on it over Olofsson?
That’s less than 1 extra shot per game,
with a good 5v5 player like Skinner taking the place of an average one
- jdfitz77

And you're making unfounded assumptions it would.

At the end of the day, you can try to shuffle the deck chairs around on the titanic all you want, but it's not going to make a lick of difference until you get production from multiple lines.

And you're not gonna get that until you solve the center crisis

The $2M possibly could have made a difference yes.
- Pegullaville

Ok, sure
Maybe if we brought in 3 Tyler Ennis’ for that extra 2mil?
😂😂😂

I’ll bet there’s a long list of $2mil 2Cs we could’ve gotten

Carolina jumped from 83 pts the year with Skinner to 99 the year after they dealt him. Gain by subtraction? Players practiced harder? No idea but they didn't miss him.
- GilPerreault11

I mean they were gifted Svechnikov, however he was not an impact player last year. Warren Foegle was their best winger in the playoffs and they went to the ECF. They had good wingers in Tuevo, Williams, Nino, but none of the game breaking variety, and none making anywhere close to $9M.

When you can run Aho-Staal-Wallmark down the middle and have Hamilton, Pesce, Slavic, Faulk on the backend playing a strong defensive structure good things happen. They got the saves from Mrazek that they needed too.

I’ll keep this in mind the next time i see you start it up

But regardless...
Just bashing without a proposed solution doesn’t exactly do much
- jdfitz77

To be honest, presenting ANY kind of proposed solution is just plain out begging for ridicule on here.

And you're making unfounded assumptions it would.

At the end of the day, you can try to shuffle the deck chairs around on the titanic all you want, but it's not going to make a lick of difference until you get production from multiple lines.

And you're not gonna get that until you solve the center crisis
- jcragcrumple

Thinking a line would produce more shots with a better player added to it has MUCH more validity than saying 50 shots would just transfer from 1 player to another

And you're making unfounded assumptions it would.

At the end of the day, you can try to shuffle the deck chairs around on the titanic all you want, but it's not going to make a lick of difference until you get production from multiple lines.

And you're not gonna get that until you solve the center crisis
- jcragcrumple

Or a Winger that can drive a line.

To be honest, presenting ANY kind of proposed solution is just plain out begging for ridicule on here.
- IonSabres

Well it’s better than just bashing someone over & over

I haven’t seen Beady get ridiculed for saying he’d trade Sam + Risto + 1st for Laine

Or Boss getting ridiculed for Sam + for a RW1 upgrade

Questioned for the sake of discussion... sure
Ridiculed is quite the exaggeration though

Ok, sure
Maybe if we brought in 3 Tyler Ennis’ for that extra 2mil?
😂😂😂

I’ll bet there’s a long list of $2mil 2Cs we could’ve gotten
- jdfitz77

I still fail to see the impact Jeff Skinner has bad on our season to date. Take him off the roster and we have the same record. How far is that $9M getting us ?

Oh wait we need a 2C/3C and a goalie.

Unless Skinner turns into Panarin/Ovi/P.Kane/Huberdeau over night you can make a move for a winger every deadline that can fill the gap. There will be another Zucker every year till the end of time that becomes available at the deadline. We did not have to pay top dollar down the wings. Top dollars should be spent down the middle, on the defence, and in goal.

Or a Winger that can drive a line.
- Buff36

We traded a collection of Pu for a guy we just have $72M too and people still question my sanity on why we have to pay so much money for wingers.

If you are built strong down the middle of the ice, you can play mix and match all the time on the wings.

I still fail to see the impact Jeff Skinner has bad on our season to date. Take him off the roster and we have the same record. How far is that $9M getting us ?

Oh wait we need a 2C/3C and a goalie.

Unless Skinner turns into Panarin/Ovi/P.Kane/Huberdeau over night you can make a move for a winger every deadline that can fill the gap. There will be another Zucker every year till the end of time that becomes available at the deadline. We did not have to pay top dollar down the wings. Top dollars should be spent down the middle, on the defence, and in goal.
- Pegullaville

And this is a completely different argument than overpaying him by even $2mil
Hindsight is nice
Especially when u change the parameters of your argument

Or a Winger that can drive a line.
- Buff36

Razor’s Taco Bell Take, the Sabres have beaten Arizona the last 12 times for a 10-4 record, and Arizona has beaten Buffalo the last 6 times, so something has to give. And what happens in Vegas Stays in Vegas, and we have to forget what went on there and take care of this game. Sooooo, that’s your Taco Bell Take.

We traded a collection of Pu for a guy we just have $72M too and people still question my sanity on why we have to pay so much money for wingers.

If you are built strong down the middle of the ice, you can play mix and match all the time on the wings.
- Pegullaville

U mean like having Eichel, Cozens, Mitts, & Asplund, Davidsson & Ruotsalainen all here/coming....

Newsflash...
we are going to be in AMAZING shape down the middle for years & years & years to come

U mean like having Eichel, Cozens, Mitts, & Asplund, Davidsson & Ruotsalainen all here/coming....

Newsflash...
we are going to be in AMAZING shape down the middle for years & years & years to come
- jdfitz77

Sure, especially if we add one of Byfield/Stutzle/Rossi/Lundell.

We do need a veteran presence down the middle though to take the load off everyone

How many more points do we have in this years standings due to having Skinner ?

Switch Ennis and skinner and you still don’t have a functioning middle 6.

Add a 2C and a 1A/1B goaltender and whether you have Skinner or “take your pick of any winger option that will be available this year” both players will produce. Is the $8M more you are paying Skinner worth the additional production ? I say not. We could have gotten both Haula and Burakovsky for $9M and been a much better team then Skinner rotting away at our cap.
- Pegullaville

Oh my god...

Why can't our elite, all-star center captain this team to an 8th place finish in the final standings?

See how that works?

Had nothing to do with Ennis specifically. My overall argument is wingers can be replaced and acquired quite frequently and produce if they have a good Center. I was hoping to buy low On Burakovsky for a while and had Donskoi as a FA target of ours this offseason.
- Pegullaville

They tried for Donskoi, but Donskoi said no.

And this is a completely different argument than overpaying him by even $2mil
Hindsight is nice
Especially when u change the parameters of your argument
- jdfitz77

We need that extra $2M. Every dollar counts

Ok, now subtract 50 shots from Eichel, add 50 to Skinner and tell me where we land. Because the totals from under Housley are meaningless under Krueger.

Reinhart's shots are down too.

Skinner is absolutely going to take some of Eichel's shots. Eichel made a concerted effort this year to be less of a pass-first guy. If Skinner is on his line, he's going to try to set him up.

Skinner gets more goals, Eichel gets fewer and more assists. We're in the same place
- jcragcrumple

Alternatively, Skinner is cherry-picking like Danny Briere did and scoring on all of Jack's rebounds.

You guys have extremely weak arguments lately. Must be Sabres-fatigue.

Which is franking hilarious because you can’t understand my Ennis vs Skinner argument yet not even 5 minutes later say you aren’t willing to pay the money for a Pro Bowl Caliber DE because his salary cap hit would outweigh his value, can’t make this poop up.
- Pegullaville

look at you getting upset.

and you are sorely misunderstanding my statement.

And that same RW would be a 30-40 point player without him and can't score unless Eichel is scoring. Reinhart is THE definition of riding the coat-tails.
- BeadyEyedDouche

trade him for 2 3rd liners and a 7th d man then and watch tage struggle to get 40 points with him in the fall