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wiz1901
Chicago Blackhawks
Location: DraftSite com, IL
Joined: 05.14.2008

May 12 @ 4:37 PM ET
How many of those stocks did that guy buy back after they tanked?
- 6628



My investment guy or the politician's guys?

My investments their guidance seems to always recoup...and even the last couple months the losses well they come back a little, they sell what they think is stuff that helps recoup...from month one to two the losses started coming back...dont ask me a out today or this week, but my point is I never taker a loss as a end of the world scenario b/c it was money I did nothing to accrue, and so I lived w/o it up until now and house is paid and things are still good, so not gonna worry if it flushes...
HawkintheD
Chicago Blackhawks
Location: Sick Bay, MI
Joined: 02.22.2012

May 12 @ 4:41 PM ET
“Next on NBC Sports - Thunderdome - Chainsaw Round! See if Lord Humungus can defend his top spot as king of the post-apocalyptic minions!”

(Edit: I’d watch that)


- Chief4Feathers


6628
Joined: 08.24.2009

May 12 @ 5:16 PM ET
My investment guy or the politician's guys?

My investments their guidance seems to always recoup...and even the last couple months the losses well they come back a little, they sell what they think is stuff that helps recoup...from month one to two the losses started coming back...dont ask me a out today or this week, but my point is I never taker a loss as a end of the world scenario b/c it was money I did nothing to accrue, and so I lived w/o it up until now and house is paid and things are still good, so not gonna worry if it flushes...

- wiz1901




I meant the politician. But no matter, great attitude Wiz. Good luck.
BetweenTheDots
Chicago Blackhawks
Location: IL
Joined: 06.13.2015

May 12 @ 5:20 PM ET
The reported death rate (in the US) for people between 0-39yrs old is 0.2% (about twice the flu), and that is the rate vs only the confirmed cases (where the flu death rate is currently estimated based on an algorithm).

https://www.worldometers....rus-age-sex-demographics/

Again, if you take more precautions with the elderly and those with co-morbidities, and get more of the population exposed to and recovered from the virus that is better for the overall population. What is better, a vaccine, or developing the antibodies yourself (I would personally say developed antibodies in this case, but I am not nearly close enough to the vaccine research to know for sure)? Either way, you are trying to do the same thing which is lower the transmission rate.

- Chunk


Again South Korea has the way to open, we can't even produce enough cotton swabs for testing, so?

Maybe you can Twitter the Prez with your idea
kmw4631
Location: CHICAGO
Joined: 02.27.2015

May 12 @ 5:23 PM ET
My guess is that they don't want to set the precedent of what is effectively a salary cap under any circumstances. Yes, baseball has a "salary cap", but the only penalty is having to pay a luxury tax. NHL you can lose picks, contracts, money, forfeit games, etc. Plus all of their contracts are guaranteed, and as far as I can tell there is no stipulation on changing player payout as a result of the pandemic.
- Chunk



the owners can cancel the season an pay nothing.
BetweenTheDots
Chicago Blackhawks
Location: IL
Joined: 06.13.2015

May 12 @ 5:24 PM ET
There are many other consequences besides loss of jobs:

A hotline run by the substance abuse and mental health services saw a 1000% increase in calls in April.

Cancer screenings were down 80%. That could mean upwards of 80,000 cases of cancer not diagnosed, or delayed in being diagnosed.

CNN reported that as many as 75,000 people could die due to alcohol and drug abuse, or suicide because of COVID.

- tvetter


Didn't you hear CNN is fake news

Btw this is what happens when people don't have health insurance

I guess everyone is going to have to pull themselves up with their own boot straps,
HawkintheD
Chicago Blackhawks
Location: Sick Bay, MI
Joined: 02.22.2012

May 12 @ 5:58 PM ET
Didn't you hear CNN is fake news

Btw this is what happens when people don't have health insurance

I guess everyone is going to have to pull themselves up with their own boot straps,

- BetweenTheDots


In many cases that's not the issue. Some cases people aren't going for treatment for fear of Covid.

Hospitals are also delaying or spacing out scans, testing, etc, and developing protocols for dealing with their normal patient population.

So I'm guessing all those numbers aren't solely due to people not having health insurance...particularly the ones regarding cancer diagnosis.
Chunk
Chicago Blackhawks
Location: Why did I move back here again?, IL
Joined: 11.06.2015

May 12 @ 6:20 PM ET
Again South Korea has the way to open, we can't even produce enough cotton swabs for testing, so?

Maybe you can Twitter the Prez with your idea

- BetweenTheDots


Is that really necessary? Is there only one solution to this problem? Are we not allowed to even discuss other options for addressing this situation?

The purpose of flattening the curve is NOT to reduce the total number of infections or deaths. It is used simply so that we do not overwhelm the healthcare system. The method does not change the total number of infections. Regardless of when states open back up there will always be spikes in cases. Yes testing should be at a level where you can identify hotspots. LA Mayor Garcetti has said that anyone in LA county that wants a test can get one.

Is the South Korea model even feasible to implement in the US? In a place like NY (where the population in NY City is 1/6 that of all of South Korea)? Should we treat each and every state and city the same? Why isn't Sweden being commended for their efforts?
Chunk
Chicago Blackhawks
Location: Why did I move back here again?, IL
Joined: 11.06.2015

May 12 @ 6:23 PM ET
the owners can cancel the season an pay nothing.
- kmw4631


They certainly can. I was just trying to answer your question about the players' point of view.
LAHawk
Chicago Blackhawks
Joined: 11.02.2017

May 12 @ 6:26 PM ET
Just crossing the wires, LA County is going to be locked down until the end of July, lets see who else follows?
BetweenTheDots
Chicago Blackhawks
Location: IL
Joined: 06.13.2015

May 12 @ 6:36 PM ET
In many cases that's not the issue. Some cases people aren't going for treatment for fear of Covid.

Hospitals are also delaying or spacing out scans, testing, etc, and developing protocols for dealing with their normal patient population.

So I'm guessing all those numbers aren't solely due to people not having health insurance...particularly the ones regarding cancer diagnosis.

- HawkintheD


I'm talking about people with no health insurance so they just don't go to a doctor until it's too late especially if it's cancer, no outrage though for those people
HawkintheD
Chicago Blackhawks
Location: Sick Bay, MI
Joined: 02.22.2012

May 12 @ 7:23 PM ET
I'm talking about people with no health insurance so they just don't go to a doctor until it's too late especially if it's cancer, no outrage though for those people
- BetweenTheDots


Not sure where I implied that or you inferred it from something I posted, but ok.

You said this is what happens when people don't have health insurance in response to the potential numbers (of people) the other person posted.

Just pointing out that it's not the only reason
just69sayin
Chicago Blackhawks
Location: chicago
Joined: 11.15.2014

May 12 @ 7:25 PM ET
The bolded part is very well put and makes perfect sense to me at least.

As far as current prospects in the pipeline, a few come to mind that fit what you described: Kurashev, Barratt, Soderlund. Sikura, too, actually.

Barratt and Lundell may not be swift of foot but skate well enough while bringing a lot more to the ice to be impact players. Thinking fast, especially in tight spaces, to make the right play cannot be downplayed.

Kurashev isn't going to wow you with blazing speed or highlight reel plays. He just plays a smart 200-foot game with subtle yet powerful offensive skills. Sikura is very similar but does have a little more flash.

Soderlund is an example of a prospect who skates like the wind but knows his options to make plays at top speed. The Rockford coaches need to let him play that game so he can blossom. He's no slouch on defense either so it's not like he sacrifices one for the other.

- AEL_Fox

Positive article on Hawks site talking with Derek King..."It's too bad he got hurt, I think you would have maybe seen him (recalled) earlier or you would have seen him higher in our points," King said. "Kurashev I believe is going to be an NHL hockey player. Whether it's a year or two down the road, it's going to be up to him, but I really like the way he performed.

"He looks like a pro (and) he does everything like a pro," added King, who played 14 seasons in the NHL, including 11 with the Islanders. "It's just getting comfortable and staying healthy."

He also mentioned Hagel really impressed him and is a guy that finds ways to makes plays.
Chunk
Chicago Blackhawks
Location: Why did I move back here again?, IL
Joined: 11.06.2015

May 12 @ 7:38 PM ET
Positive article on Hawks site talking with Derek King..."It's too bad he got hurt, I think you would have maybe seen him (recalled) earlier or you would have seen him higher in our points," King said. "Kurashev I believe is going to be an NHL hockey player. Whether it's a year or two down the road, it's going to be up to him, but I really like the way he performed.

"He looks like a pro (and) he does everything like a pro," added King, who played 14 seasons in the NHL, including 11 with the Islanders. "It's just getting comfortable and staying healthy."

He also mentioned Hagel really impressed him and is a guy that finds ways to makes plays.

- just69sayin


Is Kurashev still considered a center prospect, or more of a wing?
pdx2ord
Chicago Blackhawks
Location: Portland, OR
Joined: 09.02.2015

May 12 @ 7:41 PM ET
Is that really necessary? Is there only one solution to this problem? Are we not allowed to even discuss other options for addressing this situation?

The purpose of flattening the curve is NOT to reduce the total number of infections or deaths. It is used simply so that we do not overwhelm the healthcare system. The method does not change the total number of infections. Regardless of when states open back up there will always be spikes in cases. Yes testing should be at a level where you can identify hotspots. LA Mayor Garcetti has said that anyone in LA county that wants a test can get one.

Is the South Korea model even feasible to implement in the US? In a place like NY (where the population in NY City is 1/6 that of all of South Korea)? Should we treat each and every state and city the same? Why isn't Sweden being commended for their efforts?

- Chunk


So, about that Swedish "we don't need no social distancing" approach...a comparison to their closest neighbors

Linear


Deaths per Million from here (https://www.statista.com/...-per-million-inhabitants/)

US. 246.2

Sweden 397.4
Denmark 91.9
Finland 49.1
Norway 42.2

Yeah, I know many factors, including volume and accuracy of testing, can impact these numbers. But, I think this is why people are scared to open up and why it's so hard to know the best path forward.

As it relates to hockey, per D Rasmussen, the players in Sweden are working out together and skating. If their numbers continue to climb in that country, are those players allowed back in? Will the teams make them quarantine?
Theo Fox
Chicago Blackhawks
Joined: 06.18.2016

May 12 @ 8:01 PM ET
Positive article on Hawks site talking with Derek King..."It's too bad he got hurt, I think you would have maybe seen him (recalled) earlier or you would have seen him higher in our points," King said. "Kurashev I believe is going to be an NHL hockey player. Whether it's a year or two down the road, it's going to be up to him, but I really like the way he performed.

"He looks like a pro (and) he does everything like a pro," added King, who played 14 seasons in the NHL, including 11 with the Islanders. "It's just getting comfortable and staying healthy."

He also mentioned Hagel really impressed him and is a guy that finds ways to makes plays.

- just69sayin

Thanks for sharing those article snippets.

King constantly talks about "coaching the junior out of young players" and Hagel was one of them. Most prospects who put up video game offensive stats can't expect to be offensive stars in the pros and must learn to play a consistent 200-foot game.

Fortunately for Hagel, he really dedicated himself to honing his defense during I believe his last two years at Red Deer and is why he was a recall candidate this season for the Hawks. He's a puck hound who agitates the other team, commits to defense, and drives the net hard which he did twice I believe in his NHL debut.

Kurashev is the same way: committed 3-zone player with the highest offensive upside of Rockford players. He and Hagel are also valuable on both special teams, at least for the Hogs and hopefully down the line for the Hawks.
oldduffman
Chicago Blackhawks
Joined: 11.06.2013

May 12 @ 8:03 PM ET
The bolded part is very well put and makes perfect sense to me at least.

As far as current prospects in the pipeline, a few come to mind that fit what you described: Kurashev, Barratt, Soderlund. Sikura, too, actually.

Barratt and Lundell may not be swift of foot but skate well enough while bringing a lot more to the ice to be impact players. Thinking fast, especially in tight spaces, to make the right play cannot be downplayed.

Kurashev isn't going to wow you with blazing speed or highlight reel plays. He just plays a smart 200-foot game with subtle yet powerful offensive skills. Sikura is very similar but does have a little more flash.

Soderlund is an example of a prospect who skates like the wind but knows his options to make plays at top speed. The Rockford coaches need to let him play that game so he can blossom. He's no slouch on defense either so it's not like he sacrifices one for the other.

- AEL_Fox

I really liked that Soderlund kid ,and was surprised there was no real hype about him . Hope he can stay healthy and start to move up through the system .
Theo Fox
Chicago Blackhawks
Joined: 06.18.2016

May 12 @ 8:03 PM ET
Is Kurashev still considered a center prospect, or more of a wing?
- Chunk

Kurashev has played center mostly in Rockford. I think he thrives in that position but could move over to wing if there simply are no center spots available in Chicago, at least not right away.
Chunk
Chicago Blackhawks
Location: Why did I move back here again?, IL
Joined: 11.06.2015

May 12 @ 8:05 PM ET
So, about that Swedish "we don't need no social distancing" approach...a comparison to their closest neighbors

Linear


Deaths per Million from here (https://www.statista.com/...-per-million-inhabitants/)

US. 246.2

Sweden 397.4
Denmark 91.9
Finland 49.1
Norway 42.2

Yeah, I know many factors, including volume and accuracy of testing, can impact these numbers. But, I think this is why people are scared to open up and why it's so hard to know the best path forward.

As it relates to hockey, per D Rasmussen, the players in Sweden are working out together and skating. If their numbers continue to climb in that country, are those players allowed back in? Will the teams make them quarantine?

- pdx2ord


Hey PDX. They do have social distancing measures in place (and have closed down establishments who have not complied). Sweden looks worse now. But when everyone else opens back up, their numbers will spike, while Sweden's theoretically will continue to decline due to more people already having antibodies. Obviously, we have to wait until the final numbers come out. Their deaths and cases are decreasing as well. Sweden has also admitted that they did not do a good enough job of protecting their nursing homes. I believe 85-90% of their deaths are people over 70.

Again, I am not saying this is the best route for the entirety of the US (or any of it for that matter). I simply think we need to take a look at all possible options as there is not a one-size-fits-all solution.
HawkintheD
Chicago Blackhawks
Location: Sick Bay, MI
Joined: 02.22.2012

May 12 @ 8:08 PM ET
Kurashev has played center mostly in Rockford. I think he thrives in that position but could move over to wing if there simply are no center spots available in Chicago, at least not right away.
- AEL_Fox


The Hawks seem to have drafted, traded for and signed a number of players who can play center or wing.

Kurashev sounds like one of the few who could compete for a middle 6 role of the current prospect group.
Theo Fox
Chicago Blackhawks
Joined: 06.18.2016

May 12 @ 8:15 PM ET
I really liked that Soderlund kid ,and was surprised there was no real hype about him . Hope he can stay healthy and start to move up through the system .
- oldduffman

Soderlund can be a good one for the bottom 6 if allowed to blossom to leverage his talents. Part of his rookie pro year was derailed by injuries as you referenced.

However, it also seemed like the Hogs coaches had Soderlund play more conservatively, similar to Boqvist: learn the finer parts of defending then gradually loosen the reigns. Nothing wrong with that if that is in fact the development strategy.

Soderlund is at his best when he's busting tail up and down the ice, snuffing out pucks in all corners, playing physical, and bothering the crap out of other players. When he's on his game, he's a pest. A real bugger out there.
Theo Fox
Chicago Blackhawks
Joined: 06.18.2016

May 12 @ 8:31 PM ET
The Hawks seem to have drafted, traded for and signed a number of players who can play center or wing.

Kurashev sounds like one of the few who could compete for a middle 6 role of the current prospect group.

- HawkintheD

Definitely agree on Kurashev being middle 6 potential out of the forward pipeline.

Not giving up hope yet on Sikura either, although, I think he may just run out of chances in Chicago and may get his opportunity elsewhere.

Teply has potential to be a hybrid finesse/power winger. One scouting report I recall reading called him Laine Lite. Lofty standard but playing style may not be that off base.

I guess any prospect is a wild card of where they ultimately end up but Barratt is one in particular. Possibly Shaw-like as an all-terrain forward who can play wing or center on any line without losing impact.

Maybe Barratt develops somewhere between Shaw and Caggiula? Who knows, maybe better than both?
oldduffman
Chicago Blackhawks
Joined: 11.06.2013

May 12 @ 8:46 PM ET
Soderlund can be a good one for the bottom 6 if allowed to blossom to leverage his talents. Part of his rookie pro year was derailed by injuries as you referenced.

However, it also seemed like the Hogs coaches had Soderlund play more conservatively, similar to Boqvist: learn the finer parts of defending then gradually loosen the reigns. Nothing wrong with that if that is in fact the development strategy.

Soderlund is at his best when he's busting tail up and down the ice, snuffing out pucks in all corners, playing physical, and bothering the crap out of other players. When he's on his game, he's a pest. A real bugger out there.

- AEL_Fox

Yes nothing wrong with that strategy ,just along as they don't blunt what the kid does best .Like you said he has a style of being a pest .I really like what I saw in the WJC he was flying out there great PK man . Huge jump from there to the NHL ,has to pay his dues.
BetweenTheDots
Chicago Blackhawks
Location: IL
Joined: 06.13.2015

May 13 @ 12:48 AM ET
Not sure where I implied that or you inferred it from something I posted, but ok.

You said this is what happens when people don't have health insurance in response to the potential numbers (of people) the other person posted.

Just pointing out that it's not the only reason

- HawkintheD


Fair enough
wiz1901
Chicago Blackhawks
Location: DraftSite com, IL
Joined: 05.14.2008

May 13 @ 1:06 AM ET
Looks like by the weekend May 22-24th weekend the nhl will announce whether or not the draft will be officially announced as taking place in June or it will be announced that the draft will be held after so playoff and champion are resolved.

From the Athletic:
Some team executives prefer the 20-team format (No. 7 Winnipeg vs. No. 10 Minnesota and No. 8 Nashville vs. No. 9 Vancouver on each side before you get your final 16).

The 24-team format seems to be the front-runner right now even if Daly is saying not to lock in any format yet.
The obvious benefit of going with 24 teams is having more teams involved, but I also think the inclusion of 12th-place clubs — Montreal and Chicago from each side, big Original Six markets — has obvious appeal.

That would add Chicago and Arizona, Florida Montreal...I an uncertain if that means #7 then plays #12 Arizona, Nashville #8 plays #11 Chicago, and Vancouver #9 plays Minnesota #10 in some elimination round....

You'd think the top six teams on each side should get a bye, right?
or are the Blackhawks playing Colorada in their playoff first round?
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