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BashCH
Montreal Canadiens
Location: The legendary Don Cherry agrees with me..., QC
Joined: 04.27.2010

Jun 17 @ 1:51 PM ET
Pretty sure it hit the post
- obie


That was last year, I'm talking about 2 years ago.

YodaOldBoy
Montreal Canadiens
Location: The Island of Falling Bridges, QC
Joined: 08.09.2010

Jun 17 @ 1:51 PM ET
not 100% sure about how "huge" this return would've been...
- Pat1993


I guess it depends on the definition of huge, but I'm pretty sure a 1st-line-center-potential or a 1D-potential rookie could have been had. Add some pieces left and right, other players, picks, it could have been a defining moment. Instead, we kept to the same strategy of over-relying on our goalie, which just doesn't work. I still think that keeping Halak and having something better than a third center in Eller would have worked out better for the Habs...
obie
Montreal Canadiens
Location: Oshawa, ON
Joined: 09.17.2005

Jun 17 @ 1:53 PM ET
That was last year, I'm talking about 2 years ago.


- BashCH


Oh right!! Huge save to keep the Habs within a goal in the 2nd period of a very important pre season game, almost forgot all about that clutch performance
Pat1993
Montreal Canadiens
Location: disguise delimit, QC
Joined: 08.28.2009

Jun 17 @ 1:56 PM ET
I guess it depends on the definition of huge, but I'm pretty sure a 1st-line-center-potential or a 1D-potential rookie could have been had. Add some pieces left and right, other players, picks, it could have been a defining moment. Instead, we kept to the same strategy of over-relying on our goalie, which just doesn't work. I still think that keeping Halak and having something better than a third center in Eller would have worked out better for the Habs...
- YodaOldBoy



I think this is why that trade didn't happen, they wanted an established franchise player in return, which teams usually want to keep, and not just potentially acquiring one. While it could've been a great trade and defining moment, it also could've been the Roy debacle part II (very different situations I know, but still)
deadpoulet
Montreal Canadiens
Location: Montreal
Joined: 07.01.2008

Jun 17 @ 1:56 PM ET
Oh right!! Huge save to keep the Habs within a goal in the 2nd period of a very important pre season game, almost forgot all about that clutch performance
- obie



how dare you?
obie
Montreal Canadiens
Location: Oshawa, ON
Joined: 09.17.2005

Jun 17 @ 2:00 PM ET
how dare you?
- deadpoulet


stinger67
Montreal Canadiens
Location: QC
Joined: 07.03.2008

Jun 17 @ 2:00 PM ET


...and it ends perfectly with a Pacioretty empty net goal
Pat1993
Montreal Canadiens
Location: disguise delimit, QC
Joined: 08.28.2009

Jun 17 @ 2:00 PM ET

- obie



deadpoulet
Montreal Canadiens
Location: Montreal
Joined: 07.01.2008

Jun 17 @ 2:01 PM ET

- obie



I still remember where I was on that day.
obie
Montreal Canadiens
Location: Oshawa, ON
Joined: 09.17.2005

Jun 17 @ 2:04 PM ET
I still remember where I was on that day.
- deadpoulet


I dont even remember what year it was
MortChicken
Vegas Golden Knights
Location: I like to wash women's feet -Pat1993
Joined: 08.07.2018

Jun 17 @ 2:04 PM ET


...and it ends perfectly with a Pacioretty empty net goal

- stinger67

Pat1993
Montreal Canadiens
Location: disguise delimit, QC
Joined: 08.28.2009

Jun 17 @ 2:04 PM ET
I still remember where I was on that day.
- deadpoulet



everyone remembers Theodore and Halak, memory DENIED
YodaOldBoy
Montreal Canadiens
Location: The Island of Falling Bridges, QC
Joined: 08.09.2010

Jun 17 @ 2:07 PM ET
I think this is why that trade didn't happen, they wanted an established franchise player in return, which teams usually want to keep, and not just potentially acquiring one. While it could've been a great trade and defining moment, it also could've been the Roy debacle part II (very different situations I know, but still)
- Pat1993


I would argue that Price, at the time, was also a potential exceptional goalie, and not just a given. Maybe you don't trade him for the 17 year old player that just got drafted (unless he was one of the first three picks and sure to suceed), but maybe for that 21 year old who has established himself, but is not yet a star 1C/1D. You're never going to get an established 1C/1D for a potential star-goalie, that would be insane.

But if you never take risks, you're also never going to get anywhere, and that's what the Habs have been doing for years: trading dead weight for has-beens, drafting safe "good-without-the-puck" instead of offensive potential, signing middling free agents... And it's always the same: trades are hard and good players aren't on the market, drafting is an imprecise science and free agents decided to go elsewhere. How about we don't dare trade good assets for other potentially better/more useful assests, we just don't have the right draft mentality and we don't offer good enough contracts for FAs? I'll point out that not going all-in on FAs is not necessarily a bad thing though, since those contracts tend to be crazy. Of course, to trade, you need assests, and we have been insanely short on those... so it all goes back to drafting and how poop that has been.
Scabeh
Montreal Canadiens
Location: The Slovakian Jagr, QC
Joined: 02.25.2007

Jun 17 @ 2:12 PM ET


...and it ends perfectly with a Pacioretty empty net goal

- stinger67


Price.

The (frank)ing best.
Takemedrunkimhome
Montreal Canadiens
Joined: 03.08.2018

Jun 17 @ 2:20 PM ET
Kinda late to be trash talking, this sh!t happened 11 years ago
- obie

As discussed a couple days ago, he's really bad at trolling. Like embarrassingly so
Pat1993
Montreal Canadiens
Location: disguise delimit, QC
Joined: 08.28.2009

Jun 17 @ 2:20 PM ET
I would argue that Price, at the time, was also a potential exceptional goalie, and not just a given. Maybe you don't trade him for the 17 year old player that just got drafted (unless he was one of the first three picks and sure to suceed), but maybe for that 21 year old who has established himself, but is not yet a star 1C/1D. You're never going to get an established 1C/1D for a potential star-goalie, that would be insane.

But if you never take risks, you're also never going to get anywhere, and that's what the Habs have been doing for years: trading dead weight for has-beens, drafting safe "good-without-the-puck" instead of offensive potential, signing middling free agents... And it's always the same: trades are hard and good players aren't on the market, drafting is an imprecise science and free agents decided to go elsewhere. How about we don't dare trade good assets for other potentially better/more useful assests, we just don't have the right draft mentality and we don't offer good enough contracts for FAs? I'll point out that not going all-in on FAs is not necessarily a bad thing though, since those contracts tend to be crazy. Of course, to trade, you need assests, and we have been insanely short on those... so it all goes back to drafting and how poop that has been.

- YodaOldBoy



yeah I guess we definitely agree on the drafting part... drafting good players may actually be a hard thing to do, but to have failed so many times at it you gotta wonder what went wrong there loll
obie
Montreal Canadiens
Location: Oshawa, ON
Joined: 09.17.2005

Jun 17 @ 2:21 PM ET
As discussed a couple days ago, he's really bad at trolling. Like embarrassingly so
- Takemedrunkimhome


Oh yea? I dont think I've ever seen that guy
MortChicken
Vegas Golden Knights
Location: I like to wash women's feet -Pat1993
Joined: 08.07.2018

Jun 17 @ 2:24 PM ET
yeah I guess we definitely agree on the drafting part... drafting good players may actually be a hard thing to do, but to have failed so many times at it you gotta wonder what went wrong there loll
- Pat1993

kicksave856
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: i love how not saying dumb things on the internet was never an option.
Joined: 09.29.2005

Jun 17 @ 2:24 PM ET
Oh yea? I dont think I've ever seen that guy
- obie

you guys literally get the weakest trolls i've ever seen.

i love a good entertaining troll, always have. but man the material on these guys you get is embarrassing.
Pat1993
Montreal Canadiens
Location: disguise delimit, QC
Joined: 08.28.2009

Jun 17 @ 2:29 PM ET

- MortChicken







KK will be fine...



at least I (frank)ing hope so lol
Scabeh
Montreal Canadiens
Location: The Slovakian Jagr, QC
Joined: 02.25.2007

Jun 17 @ 2:29 PM ET

- MortChicken


Look, I was on the draft Zadina train too.

But it turns out Hughes was the right choice (so far).
DevilDog93
New Jersey Devils
Location: NJ
Joined: 10.08.2015

Jun 17 @ 2:29 PM ET
I remember where I was 10 years ago. (frank)ing all your moms.
Pat1993
Montreal Canadiens
Location: disguise delimit, QC
Joined: 08.28.2009

Jun 17 @ 2:30 PM ET
you guys literally get the weakest trolls i've ever seen.

i love a good entertaining troll, always have. but man the material on these guys you get is embarrassing.

- kicksave856



I know, it's like we're only getting these pathetic losers that failed their Trolling 101 class
Pat1993
Montreal Canadiens
Location: disguise delimit, QC
Joined: 08.28.2009

Jun 17 @ 2:30 PM ET
I remember where I was 10 years ago. (frank)ing all your moms.
- DevilDog93



see, that ain't bad
kicksave856
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: i love how not saying dumb things on the internet was never an option.
Joined: 09.29.2005

Jun 17 @ 2:32 PM ET
see, that ain't bad
- Pat1993

it's better for sure.

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