I call BS. With good drafting and solid cap management the window could be open for quite awhile.
- golfingsince

It could be. But good teams capitalize when they have studs on cheap deals. That window is closing quickly

It could be. But good teams capitalize when they have studs on cheap deals. That window is closing quickly
- CanuckDon

If they can get reasonable deals with the studs and replace the high priced fluff with prospects and secondary ufa's or trades they'll be fine. A bad contract or two though and then I agree with you.

It could be. But good teams capitalize when they have studs on cheap deals. That window is closing quickly
- CanuckDon

Like Pittsburgh? And the caps?

Just a heads up, lefty hasn’t actually posted on this thread yet...
- 1970vintage

You're not that drunk.....yet

Like Pittsburgh? And the caps?
- neem55

Crosby , Malkin and Ovie. Sadly we don’t have players like that

I've yet to see the solid cap management. Hopefully the prospects (and young players) step up to solidify the drafting record.

I just don't buy that if it's done right a young team has a 4 year window.
- golfingsince

Agree once again. I like your perspective & reservations. Building a team has so many facets & luck & some of this n that. Idk or who knows what exactly but i like how we are trending. It’s not been perfect but I’m liking it.

Thinking back on Linden leaving we haven’t missed him. Idk how we would be if he were still around but was he too conservative the real reason he is gone?

You can always donate them to the drum circle.
- golfingsince

No time for drum circles when the NHL restarts so you got to get that poop done now. When the puck drops everyone’s going to be glued to their TVs. This is all very exciting.

Thinking back on Linden leaving we haven’t missed him. Idk how we would be if he were still around but was he too conservative the real reason he is gone?
- Nighthawk

Hiring Linden was purely a PR move that backfired. For one of the most beloved Canuck players of all time, he’s been shafted by this franchise more than anyone else.

Hiring Linden was purely a PR move that backfired. For one of the most beloved Canuck players of all time, he’s been shafted by this franchise more than anyone else.
- bloatedmosquito

Keenan & FA yes

Keenan & FA yes
- Nighthawk

Who was the owner during the Keenan and Messier era?

Edit: Never-mind, it was John McCaw.

It could be. But good teams capitalize when they have studs on cheap deals. That window is closing quickly
- CanuckDon

Could you give a few examples?

I especially liked that it was (I forget the exact wording, but...) “a lot” of hyperbole, like if an over exaggeration can be over exaggerated.
- 1970vintage

You can exaggerate a little, you can exaggerate a lot. If you catch a 20 pound fish (since I know y'all love your fishing), and say you caught a 30 pounder – that's a bit of a hyperbole. If you say you caught a 100 pound fish, that's a larger exaggeration. Language is great, no?

Hiring Linden was purely a PR move that backfired. For one of the most beloved Canuck players of all time, he’s been shafted by this franchise more than anyone else.
- bloatedmosquito

Worked for the first few years when it helped smooth things over. After that, it went downhill. Sort of funny how little talk there is of him anymore. Like, not a peep or mention.

You can exaggerate a little, you can exaggerate a lot. If you catch a 20 pound fish (since I know y'all love your fishing), and say you caught a 30 pounder – that's a bit of a hyperbole. If you say you caught a 100 pound fish, that's a larger exaggeration. Language is great, no?
- NewYorkNuck

I don't

I don't
- VANTEL

Neither do I, but this is honestly pretty cool:

Could you give a few examples?
- Reubenkincade

The anti-example would be Chicago. They were able to keep an incredible pool of talent together for a surprisingly long period. Some players were on reasonable deals but many were not.

You got to have players who want to be in your organization and are willing to sacrifice a few dollars to do so. Owners and managers have to create an atmosphere that players want to be in.

The anti-example would be Chicago. They were able to keep an incredible pool of talent together for a surprisingly long period. Some players were on reasonable deals but many were not.

You got to have players who want to be in your organization and are willing to sacrifice a few dollars to do so. Owners and managers have to create an atmosphere that players want to be in.
- bloatedmosquito

I think its obvious that the ideal scenario is to have your best players on ELC's, those contracts are capped and you really have an opportunity during that window to accumulate the most value from your dollar. I don't think anyone has quite pulled that off yet, but the past Cup winners all have core-supporting players that exceeded their contract values. Pittsburgh with Guentzel, Sheary, and Murray on ELC's being the most prominent example in recent years

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The anti-example would be Chicago. They were able to keep an incredible pool of talent together for a surprisingly long period. Some players were on reasonable deals but many were not.

You got to have players who want to be in your organization and are willing to sacrifice a few dollars to do so. Owners and managers have to create an atmosphere that players want to be in.
- bloatedmosquito

I'm not sure the last time a team won with their star players on ELCs or bridge deals. Most of the time it's a balance between paying your star players and having the right guys fill out the spaces between/get hot at the right time.

It's took Ovi a long time to get his cup, with "windows" opening and closing for the Caps. Even if you think of the Sedins, they were around for two "windows" during the West Coast Express days and then when they were first line players. If the team was better managed between, they could have had a longer time frame to win it.

Crosby , Malkin and Ovie. Sadly we don’t have players like that
- CanuckDon

Pettersson will approach Malkin-like status and we have Hughes who will win the Norris.

Crosby and OV are generational players very tough to acquire. Canuck luck bro lol

I think its obvious that the ideal scenario is to have your best players on ELC's, those contracts are capped and you really have an opportunity during that window to accumulate the most value from your dollar. I don't think anyone has quite pulled that off yet, but the past Cup winners all have core-supporting players that exceeded their contract values. Pittsburgh with Guentzel, Sheary, and Murray on ELC's being the most prominent example in recent years
- WhiteLie

In the salary cap you definitely need those ELCs to perform – hopefully Podk and Hoglander will be able to provide that value above contract when the time comes.

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- WhiteLie

Is it the dumb f*ucking Kraken?

In the salary cap you definitely need those ELCs to perform – hopefully Podk and Hoglander will be able to provide that value above contract when the time comes.
- NewYorkNuck

ELC's are the easiest, but having a young player on a good second contract works too. I could see a late bloomer like Lind providing good value after his ELC expires, sort of like Hansen or early Burrows did for Vancouver over the years