How did they have to? Out of hundreds of possible trade scenarios with likely 2 dozen teams that was the only one... expand yours minds guys
- Mr_Smokey

Some fans just run the same old played out narratives.

“LoU sUcKeD mOrE tHaN dUbAs”

“kAdRi’S fAuLt”

“FrEdDy’S fAuLT”

“tRaDe mArNeR aNd FüCk hIS fAmiLy AnD aGeNt”

“wILlY sHoUlD bE wItH MaTtHeWs”

So honestly asking, you think firing Babcock was the right move?
- nyisles7

The Leafs were well out of a playoff spot when he was fired. So, in a word: yes.

Him or Marner should go first IMO.

Trading one them could change the whole make up of this team and get us out of CAP issues.

(BTW, I like Tavares but didn't like when he got the C and wouldn't be sad if he wasn't here. Not the captain this team deserves.)
- underhill14

I don't trade the guys who want to be here and want to win as a Leaf.

I distinctly remember the Penguins winning a Cup with an AHL-calibre d-corps.

Teams need balance and great goaltending. The myth that one aspect of the game "wins championships" is reductive AF.
- mjones242

It’s how they play. The philosophy of the club and the desire of the players just as much as it is personnel

So honestly asking, you think firing Babcock was the right move?
- nyisles7

Of course not.
Cancel T.I.T.S. before more damage is done to this organization

OK but your roster will not get better and you'll have to rebuild soon
- RogerRoeper

Dobson & more are coming

You need major upfront talent to go along with it.
- RogerRoeper

So honestly asking, you think firing Babcock was the right move?
- nyisles7

What did they win with Babcock? He had 5 years.

if he had a shred of negotiating ability, he would have been able to get atleast 1 o 2 of his forwards signed for under 10 mil, meaning he wouldn't have had to give up a (frank)ing 1st rd pick in order to dump a contract. that's TERRIBLE asset and contract management by Dubas
- haywoodjablome

This guy gets it. Good luck with burn, he doesn’t. He blames ghost of the past and refs.

Dobson & more are coming
- Nighthawk

Oh excuse me!!!!

Oh, I'm not saying JT doesn't try. For whatever reason, he just doesn't play good 2-way hockey. We had different theories when he was on the Island. He's never been a great skater. He also may have developed poor habits from lousy NHL coaching who simply never demanded that he play 2-way hockey.
- JohnScammo

This is true. Painfully sometimes. I don't love his contract but at least he gives a poop.I don't think he is the problem

I don't trade the guys who want to be here and want to win as a Leaf.
- Aetherial

Nylander’s staying then.

Who to blame.

So many choices.

if he had a shred of negotiating ability, he would have been able to get atleast 1 o 2 of his forwards signed for under 10 mil, meaning he wouldn't have had to give up a (frank)ing 1st rd pick in order to dump a contract. that's TERRIBLE asset and contract management by Dubas
- haywoodjablome

Doubt it. I don't think anyone does much better.

Saving a mil doesn't negate having to trade marleau. Do the math, take a mill off the one or 2 guys and then add 6mil.....

So honestly asking, you think firing Babcock was the right move?
- nyisles7

I don't think it made much difference, except that it was probably a little more millenial-friendly post Babs.

NHL is a joke never in the history of the NHL have two eighth place teams missed the playoffs
- bobbyisno1

Guess they should have played better.

Zaitsev is much better than Ceci . You are blinded by your Dubas love
- MaximusAurelius

Zaitsev wanted out and had a bad contract. No regrets

- nyisles7

You honestly think Islanders will win a cup with that roster? How about Columbus?

Some fans just run the same old played out narratives.

“LoU sUcKeD mOrE tHaN dUbAs”

“kAdRi’S fAuLt”

“FrEdDy’S fAuLT”

“tRaDe mArNeR aNd FüCk hIS fAmiLy AnD aGeNt”

“wILlY sHoUlD bE wItH MaTtHeWs”
- Tanooki

Yes.

Yes.

Yes.

No, unless he lands us Seth Jones.

No.

I'd rather have a guy who didn't get himself ejected out of two playoff series for stupid poop.

Barrie at 50% retained seemed like a decent gamble. Why not bring on board one of the best offensive D-men in the league to a team that is already high octane?

The gamble clearly didn't pay off. Oh wellz...

The Kerfoot contact is bothersome as there's too much term and he's paid about 1M more than he should be. Oh wellz...

Kadri had to be moved for a D man and Dubas didn't get his first choice (Brodie).

Hindsight and all that... whatcha gonna do?
- mjones242

Trading for sake a trade was a poor idea. Last thing the Leafs needed was a hole on D.

Derp.
- mjones242

Derp, derp, derp.

Marner, Nylander, Matthews contracts
Kadri trade
Marleau trade

Dubas is a horrible negotiator
Let him build databases and keep the negotiations to the grown men

So unless Leafs win the lottery tomorrow, that pick belongs to Carolina? I’m certain this is true but I stupidly hope I’m wrong (like how I stupidly watched this game with the hope they’d win).

- nyisles7

2018 - Sandin
- Steven_Seagull

Inherited that selection, once his first pube came in he started tossing them away. 2019, 2020 (hopefully not), but if not, 2021. Just getting started. Lmao