This just goes to show how our GM has no intentions of ever being proactive.

I have said since the 2017-18 season that this franchise needs to make a bold move. The lack of boldness has this team tail spinning into the abyss.
- TheUltimateJet

Realistically, we’re not super far off. “Into the abyss” is a bit much. We’re a Cirelli offer sheet and a new coaching staff away from contending

Realistically, we’re not super far off. “Into the abyss” is a bit much. We’re a Cirelli offer sheet and a new coaching staff away from contending
- Rexypoo

I think we are further away than most Jets fans like to believe.

I think we are further away than most Jets fans like to believe.
- TheUltimateJet

Yeah, I guess I’m not selling my point very well by saying “we’re only an elite centre away from being good!”

Yeah, I guess I’m not selling my point very well by saying “we’re only an elite centre away from being good!”
- Rexypoo

Thank you for validating what I have been saying for the last 4 years!!!

Thank you for validating what I have been saying for the last 4 years!!!
- TheUltimateJet

You’ve been saying we’re more than an elite centre away from winning since 2016?

You’ve been saying we’re more than an elite centre away from winning since 2016?
- Rexypoo

I have!

I have!
- TheUltimateJet

That center was O'Reilly(didn't have trade protection) but while Chevy was losing more assets to try to sign Stastny who the Blues pawned off on the Jets, Armstrong was trading a mediocre package for the center the Jets needed.

I know there will be the chorus of 'how would they of fit his cap in' but it could of been done, trade a Lowry or Copp and it's accomplished pretty easily or deal Trouba in the package who obviously wanted out, there might of been more cap implications going forward but who cares when you've acquired a guy like O' Reilly, hell they could of traded O'Reilly in the future for probably a better return if need be.

Imagine center depth of Scheifele, O'Reilly, Little (pre Little injury obviously),that's stacked and could withstand a serious injury unlike now which obviously couldn't as we saw this season when our #2 and #1 centers got injured.

Anywho that's done now, I just don't see Chevy offersheeting Cirelli, that's a total pipe-dream so who else is an actual realistic target, there's more then just the Jets looking for a 2C so there might be competition in the market for whoever might be available. Rumors about Danault and Domi being unhappy with their roles in Montreal, either would be good additions for the Jets but neither are worth Ehlers, Laine or Connor unless a whole lot more is coming to the Jets with them and even then it's likely at best a lateral move cause replacing any of the those three wingers wouldn't be easy if even possible.
I'd guess Bergevin would have the upper hand in a trade involving either of those two as he isn't forced to deal either, there's plenty of teams looking for centers and he has plenty of cap space to work with to either keep them or trade them.

I know he's probably more of just a good 3C but I'm starting to think that signing Erik Haula to be the 2C wouldn't be a bad idea, only costs cap space and not assets, is a fellow Finn for Laine and I don't think is going to get a massive raise, he'd at the very least provide some depth at the position.

If they keep the 10th overall pick they better draft a center, to hell with best player available, draft for need dammit!

That center was O'Reilly(didn't have trade protection) but while Chevy was losing more assets to try to sign Stastny who the Blues pawned off on the Jets, Armstrong was trading a mediocre package for the center the Jets needed.

I know there will be the chorus of 'how would they of fit his cap in' but it could of been done, trade a Lowry or Copp and it's accomplished pretty easily or deal Trouba in the package who obviously wanted out, there might of been more cap implications going forward but who cares when you've acquired a guy like O' Reilly, hell they could of traded O'Reilly in the future for probably a better return if need be.

Imagine center depth of Scheifele, O'Reilly, Little (pre Little injury obviously),that's stacked and could withstand a serious injury unlike now which obviously couldn't as we saw this season when our #2 and #1 centers got injured.

Anywho that's done now, I just don't see Chevy offersheeting Cirelli, that's a total pipe-dream so who else is an actual realistic target, there's more then just the Jets looking for a 2C so there might be competition in the market for whoever might be available. Rumors about Danault and Domi being unhappy with their roles in Montreal, either would be good additions for the Jets but neither are worth Ehlers, Laine or Connor unless a whole lot more is coming to the Jets with them and even then it's likely at best a lateral move cause replacing any of the those three wingers wouldn't be easy if even possible.
I'd guess Bergevin would have the upper hand in a trade involving either of those two as he isn't forced to deal either, there's plenty of teams looking for centers and he has plenty of cap space to work with to either keep them or trade them.

I know he's probably more of just a good 3C but I'm starting to think that signing Erik Haula to be the 2C wouldn't be a bad idea, only costs cap space and not assets, is a fellow Finn for Laine and I don't think is going to get a massive raise, he'd at the very least provide some depth at the position.

If they keep the 10th overall pick they better draft a center, to hell with best player available, draft for need dammit!
- JetFuel

Like I posted last year, St. Louis essentially gave up the equivalent of Lowry, Roslovic, 2019 first round pick and Nik Petan for O'Reilly.

Don't tell me that deal was undoable.

That center was O'Reilly(didn't have trade protection) but while Chevy was losing more assets to try to sign Stastny who the Blues pawned off on the Jets, Armstrong was trading a mediocre package for the center the Jets needed.

I know there will be the chorus of 'how would they of fit his cap in' but it could of been done, trade a Lowry or Copp and it's accomplished pretty easily or deal Trouba in the package who obviously wanted out, there might of been more cap implications going forward but who cares when you've acquired a guy like O' Reilly, hell they could of traded O'Reilly in the future for probably a better return if need be.

Imagine center depth of Scheifele, O'Reilly, Little (pre Little injury obviously),that's stacked and could withstand a serious injury unlike now which obviously couldn't as we saw this season when our #2 and #1 centers got injured.

Anywho that's done now, I just don't see Chevy offersheeting Cirelli, that's a total pipe-dream so who else is an actual realistic target, there's more then just the Jets looking for a 2C so there might be competition in the market for whoever might be available. Rumors about Danault and Domi being unhappy with their roles in Montreal, either would be good additions for the Jets but neither are worth Ehlers, Laine or Connor unless a whole lot more is coming to the Jets with them and even then it's likely at best a lateral move cause replacing any of the those three wingers wouldn't be easy if even possible.
I'd guess Bergevin would have the upper hand in a trade involving either of those two as he isn't forced to deal either, there's plenty of teams looking for centers and he has plenty of cap space to work with to either keep them or trade them.

I know he's probably more of just a good 3C but I'm starting to think that signing Erik Haula to be the 2C wouldn't be a bad idea, only costs cap space and not assets, is a fellow Finn for Laine and I don't think is going to get a massive raise, he'd at the very least provide some depth at the position.

If they keep the 10th overall pick they better draft a center, to hell with best player available, draft for need dammit!
- JetFuel

The ROR/Stastny comparison isn’t really fair.
The trades were months apart, and not at all in similar situations.

Now, if we wanna do hindsight, the ideal move would’ve been Trouba for O’Reilly. It’s more than what Buffalo got in the actual deal.
“Hey, Jacob, how bout we get you in the STATE of New York, and you go from there? Your boy Zach is there, too! Cool? Cool.”

Like I posted last year, St. Louis essentially gave up the equivalent of Lowry, Roslovic, 2019 first round pick and Nik Petan for O'Reilly.

Don't tell me that deal was undoable.
- TheUltimateJet

They got a lot less than that.
It was more Bourque, Letestu, Petan, and a 1st.

At least Lowry and Roslovic are proven NHL players who can fill roles effectively.
Sobotka and Berglund were bad, and expensive

I have!
- TheUltimateJet

Then you were wrong for 2 years

Then you were wrong for 2 years
- Rexypoo

According to who? You? Lol

They got a lot less than that.
It was more Bourque, Letestu, Petan, and a 1st.

At least Lowry and Roslovic are proven NHL players who can fill roles effectively.
Sobotka and Berglund were bad, and expensive
- Rexypoo

Bourque and Letestu did not play for the Jets then.

The ROR/Stastny comparison isn’t really fair.
The trades were months apart, and not at all in similar situations.

Now, if we wanna do hindsight, the ideal move would’ve been Trouba for O’Reilly. It’s more than what Buffalo got in the actual deal.
“Hey, Jacob, how bout we get you in the STATE of New York, and you go from there? Your boy Zach is there, too! Cool? Cool.”
- Rexypoo

No Rexypoo I wasn't comparing the Stastny and O'Reilly trades, O'Reilly was traded the day after the Mason dump trade to Montreal so my point was while Armstrong was trading peanuts for the guy the Jets needed Chevy was trying to sign the guy the Blues didn't want anymore, Stastny tells Jets see ya, Hayes trade is made costing another 1st plus Lemieux, O' Reilly wins Conn Smythe on way to Blues hoisting the Cup.

I think I may have mentioned in my comment that Trouba could've been a main piece sent for O' Reilly but if I didn't yeah that would've made a ton of sense, solid base for a trade anyway.

Like I posted last year, St. Louis essentially gave up the equivalent of Lowry, Roslovic, 2019 first round pick and Nik Petan for O'Reilly.

Don't tell me that deal was undoable.
- TheUltimateJet

Was totally doable, really the Jets could of given Buffalo a much better package with even more pieces and wouldn't even of felt a loss of what they sent to the Sabres, deal was Berglund, Sobotka, Thompson, 1st, 3rd, Jets could of easily beat that and then some.

I'm not certain but I think that the Blues paid some bonus that O'Reilly had that Sabres ownership didn't want to pay so to be fair maybe Chevy wanted to make a deal for
O'Reilly but Chipman and company didn't want to pay that bonus so it didn't happen, idk if that's for sure true though about O'Reilly's bonus needing to be paid though.

According to who? You? Lol
- TheUltimateJet

Yes. The 17-18 Jets curb stomp that Capitals team, as well as the Blues Cup winning team with an NHL coach. That team was f*cking stacked

Bourque and Letestu did not play for the Jets then.
- TheUltimateJet

I’m referring to the comparable quality of players.
Hendricks and Logan Shaw then

Yes. The 17-18 Jets curb stomp that Capitals team, as well as the Blues Cup winning team with an NHL coach. That team was f*cking stacked
- Rexypoo

Yes that's after they made the trade for Stastny. Something I was clamouring for that entire season.

I’m referring to the comparable quality of players.
Hendricks and Logan Shaw then
- Rexypoo

Hendricks was a UFA at that point and could not be traded.

Hindsight is the smartest person I know.

Hendricks was a UFA at that point and could not be traded.
- TheUltimateJet

You get my goddamn point. Sobotka and Berglund were not NHL players at the time of the trade, while Lowry and Roslovic most certainly were.
Therefore, the comparison trade you listed was not accurate

Dano alone may have been enough to get us O’Reilly...🤣🤣🤣🤣

You get my goddamn point. Sobotka and Berglund were not NHL players at the time of the trade, while Lowry and Roslovic most certainly were.
Therefore, the comparison trade you listed was not accurate
- Rexypoo

I don't think so. Lowry and Sobotka were comparable two years ago as was Thompson and Roslovic.

I think you may need to work on your evaluations.

I am concerned about you that you don't even know who was on the roster two years ago.

I don't think so. Lowry and Sobotka were comparable two years ago as was Thompson and Roslovic.

I think you may need to work on your evaluations.

I am concerned about you that you don't even know who was on the roster two years ago.
- TheUltimateJet

Sobotka had 31 points in his last season with the Blues, Berglund missed some time due to injury but over a full season was on pace for 37 points, the trade backfired for Buffalo obviously and neither guy was worth their contract but I think it's a stretch to say neither was an NHL player at that point, bad trade for the Sabres but both guys could of been viewed as decent 3rd line players still, comparing them to Letestu, Bourque, Hendricks, etc isn't a fair comparison at all imo, given Lowry's production I don't think he could of been compared to Berglund either at that point but point production doesn't matter, only fancy stats do apparently.. Lol

Its done now though, by the looks of the comments I probably shouldn't have brought up the O'Reilly trade... Haha!

Sobotka had 31 points in his last season with the Blues, Berglund missed some time due to injury but over a full season was on pace for 37 points, the trade backfired for Buffalo obviously and neither guy was worth their contract but I think it's a stretch to say neither was an NHL player at that point, bad trade for the Sabres but both guys could of been viewed as decent 3rd line players still, comparing them to Letestu, Bourque, Hendricks, etc isn't a fair comparison at all imo, given Lowry's production I don't think he could of been compared to Berglund either at that point but point production doesn't matter, only fancy stats do apparently.. Lol

Its done now though, by the looks of the comments I probably shouldn't have brought up the O'Reilly trade... Haha!
- JetFuel

O'Reilly is actually an intriguing example of how the Jets could have solved their Center problem by not trading away anything significant.

From my understanding the Jets have been a top 10 revenue earner since relocating from Atlanta. I could be wrong but that is something I read a couple of years ago. Meaning that they could theoretically break even this upcoming year and not really hurt their bottom line.

With the pandemic and many teams are going to have internal caps, this is the year the Jets could really take advantage of teams and trade for players that might not have been avaialble otherwise. It's also a chance for Chevy to become proactive and aggressive.

The real question is: with Laine being so high on the trade bait board, what would be an adequate return for him?