Sobotka had 31 points in his last season with the Blues, Berglund missed some time due to injury but over a full season was on pace for 37 points, the trade backfired for Buffalo obviously and neither guy was worth their contract but I think it's a stretch to say neither was an NHL player at that point, bad trade for the Sabres but both guys could of been viewed as decent 3rd line players still, comparing them to Letestu, Bourque, Hendricks, etc isn't a fair comparison at all imo, given Lowry's production I don't think he could of been compared to Berglund either at that point but point production doesn't matter, only fancy stats do apparently.. Lol

Its done now though, by the looks of the comments I probably shouldn't have brought up the O'Reilly trade... Haha!
- JetFuel

Another thing, I think fancy stats are good to look at as a guide and not necessarily be the end all. For example player A, could have 90 Corsi, a heat map that covers the entire offensive zone and a ridiculous Fenwick, but have a 0 shooting percentage and no points. From my perspective fancy stats are great when the point totals match the overall play.

So I see there are 275 posts on here. I don't usually participate in the summer noise about trade speculation, free agents etc. However, with the draft only a few weeks away I am getting excited about who the Jets might draft. It really comes down to maybe three possibly players who might be available. Here is the likely top 10 although the rank order beyond the top two will vary a lot....

Team League Position
1 Alexis Lafrenière Rimouski Ocenaic QMJHL LW
2 Quinton Byfield Sudbury Wolves OHL C
3 Marco Rossi Ottawa 67’s OHL C
4 Tim Stützle Adler Mannheim DEL LW
5 Lucas Raymond Frölunda HC SHL RW
6 Alexander Holtz Djurgårdens IF SHL RW/LW
7 Jamie Drysdale Erie Otters OHL RHD
8 Anton Lundell HIFK Liiga C/LW
9 Cole Perfetti Sagniaw Spirit OHL C
10 Jake Sanderson USNTDP USHL LHD

I don't think Sanderson will be available at 10 as his ranking has shot up as high as 5th-7th If he is available he is a no-brainer at 10. My top pick for the Jets.

Its more likely that one of these three guys will be available. Holtz, Lundell, or Perfetti If the goalie Askarov were to somehow slip into the top nine then it would be a huge bonus for the Jets. It raises the possibility of someone like 5'9" Rossi to be available. The worst case is that Raymond somehow slips to 10 because we don't neccessarily need a winger. At that point, Jack Quinn might be an option except he is at RW. It sure would have been nice to draft 9th. Maybe the Jets can make a deal to move up a spot or two if Sanderson is still available.

If not then who do we like out of Holtz , Lundell , or Perfetti ? The only natural center in that group is Lundell. Talent wise though, I think I'd rank them as Perfetti , Hotlz ,and then Lundell.

The Jets don't necessarily have to take a Center becuase a major free agent signing for a guy such as Cirelli could quickly solve that problem. Haula another possibility but a gamble with his knee problems. Lots of free agents on D. A trade pre-draft could change Chevy's line of thinking.

Thoughts ?

Sobotka had 31 points in his last season with the Blues, Berglund missed some time due to injury but over a full season was on pace for 37 points, the trade backfired for Buffalo obviously and neither guy was worth their contract but I think it's a stretch to say neither was an NHL player at that point, bad trade for the Sabres but both guys could of been viewed as decent 3rd line players still, comparing them to Letestu, Bourque, Hendricks, etc isn't a fair comparison at all imo, given Lowry's production I don't think he could of been compared to Berglund either at that point but point production doesn't matter, only fancy stats do apparently.. Lol

Its done now though, by the looks of the comments I probably shouldn't have brought up the O'Reilly trade... Haha!
- JetFuel

Todd White had a 73 point season in Atlanta. Points aren’t everything. Not even close.
Both Berglund and Sobotka saw a massive decline in performance before they were traded, and either was/is an NHL caliber player

Another thing, I think fancy stats are good to look at as a guide and not necessarily be the end all. For example player A, could have 90 Corsi, a heat map that covers the entire offensive zone and a ridiculous Fenwick, but have a 0 shooting percentage and no points. From my perspective fancy stats are great when the point totals match the overall play.
- TheUltimateJet

That’s both A: literally impossible, and B: implies that every single player on the ice with the stats god would have a shooting percentage of 0 for an entire season

So I see there are 275 posts on here. I don't usually participate in the summer noise about trade speculation, free agents etc. However, with the draft only a few weeks away I am getting excited about who the Jets might draft. It really comes down to maybe three possibly players who might be available. Here is the likely top 10 although the rank order beyond the top two will vary a lot....

Team League Position
1 Alexis Lafrenière Rimouski Ocenaic QMJHL LW
2 Quinton Byfield Sudbury Wolves OHL C
3 Marco Rossi Ottawa 67’s OHL C
4 Tim Stützle Adler Mannheim DEL LW
5 Lucas Raymond Frölunda HC SHL RW
6 Alexander Holtz Djurgårdens IF SHL RW/LW
7 Jamie Drysdale Erie Otters OHL RHD
8 Anton Lundell HIFK Liiga C/LW
9 Cole Perfetti Sagniaw Spirit OHL C
10 Jake Sanderson USNTDP USHL LHD

I don't think Sanderson will be available at 10 as his ranking has shot up as high as 5th-7th If he is available he is a no-brainer at 10. My top pick for the Jets.

Its more likely that one of these three guys will be available. Holtz, Lundell, or Perfetti If the goalie Askarov were to somehow slip into the top nine then it would be a huge bonus for the Jets. It raises the possibility of someone like 5'9" Rossi to be available. The worst case is that Raymond somehow slips to 10 because we don't need a winger. At that point, Jack Quinn might be an option. It sure would have been nice to draft 9th. Maybe the Jets can make a deal to move up a spot or two if Sanderson is still available.

If not then who do we like out of Holtz , Lundell , or Perfetti ? The only natural center in that group is Lundell. Ranking wise though, I think I'd rank them as Perfetti , Hotlz ,and then Lundell.

The Jets don't necessarily have to take a Center as a major free agent signing for a guy such as Cirelli could quickly solve that problem. Haula another possibility but a gamble with his knee problems. Lots of free agents on D. A trade pre-draft could change Chevy's line of thinking.

Thoughts ?
- jetsnation

The only one I really want right now that will realistically be available is Lundell.
We don’t need anymore LHD. But we can definitely use an arguably NHL ready centre.

Todd White had a 73 point season in Atlanta. Points aren’t everything. Not even close.
Both Berglund and Sobotka saw a massive decline in performance before they were traded, and either was/is an NHL caliber player
- Rexypoo

Todd White, now there's a hockey name I haven't heard in awhile, I looked him up, also had a 60, 50 and more then a few 40-45 point seasons, pretty decent actually, hey sounds like what the Jets need in a 2C right now actually... Lol

Yeah I know points aren't everything but neither are heat maps, weird graphs and other miniscule metrics that don't amount to a hill of beans.

Don't doubt that but they had declined but they were still closer to NHL caliber then the dregs you compared them to, still can't believe the Jets signed Letestu, he played what one NHL game the prior season.. Lol

Todd White, now there's a hockey name I haven't heard in awhile, I looked him up, also had a 60, 50 and more then a few 40-45 point seasons, pretty decent actually, hey sounds like what the Jets need in a 2C right now actually... Lol

Yeah I know points aren't everything but neither are heat maps, weird graphs and other miniscule metrics that don't amount to a hill of beans.

Don't doubt that but they had declined but they were still closer to NHL caliber then the dregs you compared them to, still can't believe the Jets signed Letestu, he played what one NHL game the prior season.. Lol
- JetFuel

He was also out of the NHL 2 years later. That season was all Kovalchuk.

Bryan Little was looking like a return to form last season before he got his ear exploded. That is a 2C. Andrew Copp is a 2C. With the correct winger combo, David Gustafsson can probably be our 2C effectively right now.

So I see there are 275 posts on here. I don't usually participate in the summer noise about trade speculation, free agents etc. However, with the draft only a few weeks away I am getting excited about who the Jets might draft. It really comes down to maybe three possibly players who might be available. Here is the likely top 10 although the rank order beyond the top two will vary a lot....

Team League Position
1 Alexis Lafrenière Rimouski Ocenaic QMJHL LW
2 Quinton Byfield Sudbury Wolves OHL C
3 Marco Rossi Ottawa 67’s OHL C
4 Tim Stützle Adler Mannheim DEL LW
5 Lucas Raymond Frölunda HC SHL RW
6 Alexander Holtz Djurgårdens IF SHL RW/LW
7 Jamie Drysdale Erie Otters OHL RHD
8 Anton Lundell HIFK Liiga C/LW
9 Cole Perfetti Sagniaw Spirit OHL C
10 Jake Sanderson USNTDP USHL LHD

I don't think Sanderson will be available at 10 as his ranking has shot up as high as 5th-7th If he is available he is a no-brainer at 10. My top pick for the Jets.

Its more likely that one of these three guys will be available. Holtz, Lundell, or Perfetti If the goalie Askarov were to somehow slip into the top nine then it would be a huge bonus for the Jets. It raises the possibility of someone like 5'9" Rossi to be available. The worst case is that Raymond somehow slips to 10 because we don't neccessarily need a winger. At that point, Jack Quinn might be an option except he is at RW. It sure would have been nice to draft 9th. Maybe the Jets can make a deal to move up a spot or two if Sanderson is still available.

If not then who do we like out of Holtz , Lundell , or Perfetti ? The only natural center in that group is Lundell. Talent wise though, I think I'd rank them as Perfetti , Hotlz ,and then Lundell.

The Jets don't necessarily have to take a Center becuase a major free agent signing for a guy such as Cirelli could quickly solve that problem. Haula another possibility but a gamble with his knee problems. Lots of free agents on D. A trade pre-draft could change Chevy's line of thinking.

Thoughts ?
- jetsnation

If they keep the 10th overall pick I hope they draft for need and not best player available. They should draft the best centre available in my opinion but if their isn't any good centers left by #10 and Drysdale somehow slides and Lundell isn't their then taking Drysdale makes sense, the reviews of Lundell are pretty good so if he's sitting at #10 he sounds like he'd be a good pick.
Honestly they have so many LHD prospects I think they'd be better to pass on Sanderson and grab one of the wingers who would be left, really though they need to draft a center, really really need to draft a center at #10 if possible.

That’s both A: literally impossible, and B: implies that every single player on the ice with the stats god would have a shooting percentage of 0 for an entire season
- Rexypoo

I was using an extreme example. Marian Hossa was one player that did both, put up great fancy stats and still produced at an elite level.

He was also out of the NHL 2 years later. That season was all Kovalchuk.

Bryan Little was looking like a return to form last season before he got his ear exploded. That is a 2C. Andrew Copp is a 2C. With the correct winger combo, David Gustafsson can probably be our 2C effectively right now.
- Rexypoo

White played with Koslov and Little. The line was known as the Little White Russian line. He barely played with Kovalchuk.

And, none of the guys you mentioned are second line Centers. Little has been a third line Center for the last 4 years. Copp is a great third line center. Hopefully Gustafson has some offensive upside so that he can eventually play third line Center. Hopefully he becomes a future Berglund.

If they keep the 10th overall pick I hope they draft for need and not best player available. They should draft the best centre available in my opinion but if their isn't any good centers left by #10 and Drysdale somehow slides and Lundell isn't their then taking Drysdale makes sense, the reviews of Lundell are pretty good so if he's sitting at #10 he sounds like he'd be a good pick.
Honestly they have so many LHD prospects I think they'd be better to pass on Sanderson and grab one of the wingers who would be left, really though they need to draft a center, really really need to draft a center at #10 if possible.
- JetFuel

I hope they trade the pick to address some of our holes in the line-up!

I was using an extreme example. Marian Hossa was one player that did both, put up great fancy stats and still produced at an elite level.
- TheUltimateJet

He was also an excellent defensive player, and used his size not to hit, but to maintain possession and create space.
Hossa was basically a perfect player

White played with Koslov and Little. The line was known as the Little White Russian line. He barely played with Kovalchuk.

And, none of the guys you mentioned are second line Centers. Little has been a third line Center for the last 4 years. Copp is a great third line center. Hopefully Gustafson has some offensive upside so that he can eventually play third line Center. Hopefully he becomes a future Berglund.
- TheUltimateJet

Little was a 2C in 17-18, the issue was the 27-18-29 line not working at all. Because they had 3 shooters, Laine didn’t drive play back then, and Little’s playdriving had declined.

Copp is a 2C in every measurable way besides ice time and deployment.

You also underestimate Gustafsson, and his potential. He should’ve been in the NHL last season. He has immense potential. Berglund is the bar for Appleton right now, not even close to high enough for Gus

Little was a 2C in 17-18, the issue was the 27-18-29 line not working at all. Because they had 3 shooters, Laine didn’t drive play back then, and Little’s playdriving had declined.

Copp is a 2C in every measurable way besides ice time and deployment.

You also underestimate Gustafsson, and his potential. He should’ve been in the NHL last season. He has immense potential. Berglund is the bar for Appleton right now, not even close to high enough for Gus
- Rexypoo

I guess Berglund putting up 40-50 points on the Blues third line for the first third of his career is not impressive.

I guess Berglund putting up 40-50 points on the Blues third line for the first third of his career is not impressive.
- TheUltimateJet

It was. He was a real player then. He has not been that player in a long time.

So I see there are 275 posts on here. I don't usually participate in the summer noise about trade speculation, free agents etc. However, with the draft only a few weeks away I am getting excited about who the Jets might draft. It really comes down to maybe three possibly players who might be available. Here is the likely top 10 although the rank order beyond the top two will vary a lot....

Team League Position
1 Alexis Lafrenière Rimouski Ocenaic QMJHL LW
2 Quinton Byfield Sudbury Wolves OHL C
3 Marco Rossi Ottawa 67’s OHL C
4 Tim Stützle Adler Mannheim DEL LW
5 Lucas Raymond Frölunda HC SHL RW
6 Alexander Holtz Djurgårdens IF SHL RW/LW
7 Jamie Drysdale Erie Otters OHL RHD
8 Anton Lundell HIFK Liiga C/LW
9 Cole Perfetti Sagniaw Spirit OHL C
10 Jake Sanderson USNTDP USHL LHD

I don't think Sanderson will be available at 10 as his ranking has shot up as high as 5th-7th If he is available he is a no-brainer at 10. My top pick for the Jets.

Its more likely that one of these three guys will be available. Holtz, Lundell, or Perfetti If the goalie Askarov were to somehow slip into the top nine then it would be a huge bonus for the Jets. It raises the possibility of someone like 5'9" Rossi to be available. The worst case is that Raymond somehow slips to 10 because we don't neccessarily need a winger. At that point, Jack Quinn might be an option except he is at RW. It sure would have been nice to draft 9th. Maybe the Jets can make a deal to move up a spot or two if Sanderson is still available.

If not then who do we like out of Holtz , Lundell , or Perfetti ? The only natural center in that group is Lundell. Talent wise though, I think I'd rank them as Perfetti , Hotlz ,and then Lundell.

The Jets don't necessarily have to take a Center becuase a major free agent signing for a guy such as Cirelli could quickly solve that problem. Haula another possibility but a gamble with his knee problems. Lots of free agents on D. A trade pre-draft could change Chevy's line of thinking.

Thoughts ?
- jetsnation

I think if one of Perfetti, Rossi or Lundell are not there, and Sanderson is, I see who’s will to trade up and what can we get to move down 4-6 spots. This is a deep 2 round draft. Adding an additional 2nd rounder would be great. Plus Sanderson is a left shot D and that is our deepest position. morrisey, Heinola, Samberg should man our left side for the next 5-7 years. With another 2-3 guys in the system fighting for those spots as well.
I’d have no problem trading down in round one and taking Zary or Holloway

It was. He was a real player then. He has not been that player in a long time.
- Rexypoo

Too bad that if Gustafson does that, you will not find it impressive.

I hope they trade the pick to address some of our holes in the line-up!
- TheUltimateJet

Who do you think is worth parting with the 10th overall pick for?

Too bad that if Gustafson does that, you will not find it impressive.
- TheUltimateJet

If Gustafsson turns into a 40 point 3C then the Jets will be doing pretty damn good.

Little was a 2C in 17-18, the issue was the 27-18-29 line not working at all. Because they had 3 shooters, Laine didn’t drive play back then, and Little’s playdriving had declined.

Copp is a 2C in every measurable way besides ice time and deployment.

You also underestimate Gustafsson, and his potential. He should’ve been in the NHL last season. He has immense potential. Berglund is the bar for Appleton right now, not even close to high enough for Gus
- Rexypoo

You must have missed the 20 games he played for the Jets.

Another great way to use a prospect by Maurice. Burn a year off his contract giving him 5 minutes a game where his line was torched all the time. Great confidence builder.

Gustafsson won't make the team until Lowry is gone. So the Jets might as well trade him, cause apparently to some we can't get rid of Lowry.

Who do you think is worth parting with the 10th overall pick for?
- JetFuel

As I posted earlier today. Many teams due to the pandemic are going to be forced to have internal caps. I am curious to know, which players become available as a result.

I would love it if they used that pick as part of a package to acquire an elite Center.

And let's face it, even if they use the pick, the player selected will not play for this team for at least two to three years.

I, too, judge trades entirely based off of one year.

Shattenkirk was done in the Rangers’ eyes well before Trouba became available. That’s not related to this conversation of Pionk and Trouba.

You also never acknowledged my question of why you think Trouba will continue to trend down after one erratic season? Do you also expect Morrissey to continue to trend down? He went from promising future star, to legit top pairing guy, to struggling 2nd pairing defenceman in 2 years.
- Rexypoo

Trend down from what? His second best season was 33 points, after that it is mid 20's which is his median after 7 seasons. So do I expect him to improve from 23 points and a -12....Yes. He could aspire to 28 points and a -4. He will still lead his D core in minor PIMS, as he has for 5 consecutive seasons. He had one good year, and I am so happy the Jets didn't spend that money on the guy. So who is basing a players value based on one year rexy???? Come on man, get real.

Trend down from what? His second best season was 33 points, after that it is mid 20's which is his median after 7 seasons. So do I expect him to improve from 23 points and a -12....Yes. He could aspire to 28 points and a -4. He will still lead his D core in minor PIMS, as he has for 5 consecutive seasons. He had one good year, and I am so happy the Jets didn't spend that money on the guy. So who is basing a players value based on one year rexy???? Come on man, get real.
- bikeguy99

He had been the second best defenceman in the organization since his sophomore year. That “one good year” you’re referencing is the first year he was allowed to be the top guy. He carried Stuart for the first huge chunk of his career, and still had fantastic numbers.