Players will sign wherever the money is. This whole idea of guys not wanting to sign in Winnipeg is very small town thinking. The day players take significantly less money to sign elsewhere will I start believing that narrative.
- TheUltimateJet

Yes the Jets have been successful signing their RFA'S but they haven't attracted any big name UFA's and the Jets are tops on most no trade lists, it's not me crapping on Winnipeg or thinking with a small town mentality, it's just reality.

Tampa always seems to figure out their cap issues and I'm sure they will this time, I just see Cernak as the most realistic guy the Jets might be able to get from Tampa though if there was any way to add Sergachev and Cernak well then problem solved on the back end.. Lol

There's no denying Tampa is able to use Florida's tax rate to their advantage.

-For one offersheets are very rare and Bergevin's last year for Aho was pathetic.
-Chevy isn't bold and is quite inactive, do you really think he's gonna offersheet anyone?😂
-Guys don't want to sign in Winnipeg, have you not heard that before?
-Trading for Cernak means he's a Jet, no offersheets need to be considered, he's Jets property and he's an RFA, he'd be Jet.
-The Jets need a big RHD, DeMelo is slow and small, Pionk is small, both got pushed around in the playin against Calgary and, Cernak doesn't get pushed around and Morrissey needs a bigger D partner.
-The Jets RHD prospects aren't many and they usually don't give D prospects much of a chance unless they were 1st round picks, Cernak fills a need, I don't have much hope for Gawanke or Kovacevic ever making it.
-Cernak is the least valuable of Tampa's rfa's, he's the only one they're likely to part with.

I'm realistic and Cernak is a realistic addition for the Jets to make.
- JetFuel

1: The Montreal/Aho offer sheet was embarrassing not because it was a bad idea, but because it wasn’t thought through. Bergevin went in like “LOL Carolina poor, no money haha” and Carolina responded by pointing out the 294mil in cap space they had, and then made Montreal sit for the full six days without access to that money for other signings as a troll job.
Not applicable here. Tampa is in legitimate danger.

2: If you offer Cirelli 7x7.5, and a Patrik Laine to feed, he’s gonna consider. Tampa won’t move him at all unless their hand is forced. Let’s try and force it.

3: I’m not addressing this fictional need for size on defence. DeMelo was our best defenceman the moment he arrived. Morrissey had a horrid year, not because his partner shrunk, but because his partner was bad until the deadline rolled around. Cernak would help, but only about as much as DeMelo. Because size alone is useless. Just look at literally any of the top defencemen in our conference alone. Spurgeon, Ellis, Josi, Makar, Girard, Klingberg, or Heiskanen. They’re the best because they’re evasive.

4: Gawanke was the best defenceman not named “Sami” for the Moose last year. A 20 year old rookie with high level skating that was putting up numbers in not a lot of minutes is certainly a safe bet to be a top 4 guy at the NHL level within 2 years. If you’ve watched him play for any amount of time, you know there’s something there

1: The Montreal/Aho offer sheet was embarrassing not because it was a bad idea, but because it wasn’t thought through. Bergevin went in like “LOL Carolina poor, no money haha” and Carolina responded by pointing out the 294mil in cap space they had, and then made Montreal sit for the full six days without access to that money for other signings as a troll job.
Not applicable here. Tampa is in legitimate danger.

2: If you offer Cirelli 7x7.5, and a Patrik Laine to feed, he’s gonna consider. Tampa won’t move him at all unless their hand is forced. Let’s try and force it.

3: I’m not addressing this fictional need for size on defence. DeMelo was our best defenceman the moment he arrived. Morrissey had a horrid year, not because his partner shrunk, but because his partner was bad until the deadline rolled around. Cernak would help, but only about as much as DeMelo. Because size alone is useless. Just look at literally any of the top defencemen in our conference alone. Spurgeon, Ellis, Josi, Makar, Girard, Klingberg, or Heiskanen. They’re the best because they’re evasive.

4: Gawanke was the best defenceman not named “Sami” for the Moose last year. A 20 year old rookie with high level skating that was putting up numbers in not a lot of minutes is certainly a safe bet to be a top 4 guy at the NHL level within 2 years. If you’ve watched him play for any amount of time, you know there’s something there
- Rexypoo

You purposely left out some pretty damm good D with size and muscle who can also skate and pass. A well built D unit has both. Do you not think Dallas has both right now? What about Vegas? I’d say the final two teams in the west have a great compliment on D that both move the puck and clear the net.

You purposely left out some pretty damm good D with size and muscle who can also skate and pass. A well built D unit has both. Do you not think Dallas has both right now? What about Vegas? I’d say the final two teams in the west have a great compliment on D that both move the puck and clear the net.
- Ross77

Thank you, it seems obvious to me that a D core needs puck movers but if they're all runts they'll get destroyed in the playoffs.

1: The Montreal/Aho offer sheet was embarrassing not because it was a bad idea, but because it wasn’t thought through. Bergevin went in like “LOL Carolina poor, no money haha” and Carolina responded by pointing out the 294mil in cap space they had, and then made Montreal sit for the full six days without access to that money for other signings as a troll job.
Not applicable here. Tampa is in legitimate danger.

2: If you offer Cirelli 7x7.5, and a Patrik Laine to feed, he’s gonna consider. Tampa won’t move him at all unless their hand is forced. Let’s try and force it.

3: I’m not addressing this fictional need for size on defence. DeMelo was our best defenceman the moment he arrived. Morrissey had a horrid year, not because his partner shrunk, but because his partner was bad until the deadline rolled around. Cernak would help, but only about as much as DeMelo. Because size alone is useless. Just look at literally any of the top defencemen in our conference alone. Spurgeon, Ellis, Josi, Makar, Girard, Klingberg, or Heiskanen. They’re the best because they’re evasive.

4: Gawanke was the best defenceman not named “Sami” for the Moose last year. A 20 year old rookie with high level skating that was putting up numbers in not a lot of minutes is certainly a safe bet to be a top 4 guy at the NHL level within 2 years. If you’ve watched him play for any amount of time, you know there’s something there
- Rexypoo

1: Tampa may be in legitimate danger but they always seem to figure their cap issues out somehow, everyone was saying the same doom and gloom stuff last season and then Point signed a reasonable bridge contract, there's nothing saying Cirelli or Sergachev couldn't do the same.
2: Cirelli has to sign the offersheet, yeah $7.5M is a good offer but he would still have to want to leave Tampa, guys want to stay in Tampa, he could just as easily sign a bridge deal like Point did. Also we have no idea if Laine wants to be a Jet long term, not sure that can be used as a selling point. I still maintain Chevy hasn't been a bold GM, him offersheeting anyone seems unlikely.
3: Yes you need puck movers but those D cores that those guys you mentioned also have some bigger bodies on them, a D core of all 6' or less, 190 lbs or less will never survive in the playoffs. Some of those guys like Heiskanen,Makar,etc are truly special players so even mentioning them in the same sentence as the Jets current D is funny and I swear Girard was on the ice for the majority of goals scored against the Avs, he's shifty but he gets beat a lot around the Avs net, oh and Klingberg is 6'3" so he's not exactly small.
Cernak just seems like he fills a need, adds some much needed size, shouldn't cost to much to acquire or sign and seems like a realistic addition.
4: Yeah I think Gawanke could probably be a player for the Jets but considering Sami was AHL dman of the year as a rookie and Maurice still wouldn't give him much of a chance rather then the likes of Bitetto then why would I think he'd give any more of a chance to Gawanke, I know Maurice's tendencies so I'm just being realistic, hey there's that word again............

You purposely left out some pretty damm good D with size and muscle who can also skate and pass. A well built D unit has both. Do you not think Dallas has both right now? What about Vegas? I’d say the final two teams in the west have a great compliment on D that both move the puck and clear the net.
- Ross77

In our conference? I left out Pietrangelo, Parayko, and Ekholm. Those are the only high level tall boys I can think of.

As for Dallas and Vegas, no, I don’t.
Klingberg carries Lindell, and Oleksiak is good because of his reach and strong positioning.
The top 2 defencemen for Vegas are also smaller, more agile players. Theodore and Schmidt are both under 200lbs.

Size isn’t useful if they don’t know what to do with it. Being big and strong is an input, and preventing goals is an output. If you have to players with identical stats, and one is 5”10 170, while the other is 6’3” 220... they are the same level of player. Big man is not better because he’s big. The best player the Jets have ever had when it came to preventing shots in the slot was Toby Enstrom, not Buff or Myers or Trouba or or or

Thank you, it seems obvious to me that a D core needs puck movers but if they're all runts they'll get destroyed in the playoffs.
- JetFuel

Except for Dallas, Vegas, and those two Pittsburgh Cup wins a few years ago.

1: Tampa may be in legitimate danger but they always seem to figure their cap issues out somehow, everyone was saying the same doom and gloom stuff last season and then Point signed a reasonable bridge contract, there's nothing saying Cirelli or Sergachev couldn't do the same.
2: Cirelli has to sign the offersheet, yeah $7.5M is a good offer but he would still have to want to leave Tampa, guys want to stay in Tampa, he could just as easily sign a bridge deal like Point did. Also we have no idea if Laine wants to be a Jet long term, not sure that can be used as a selling point. I still maintain Chevy hasn't been a bold GM, him offersheeting anyone seems unlikely.
3: Yes you need puck movers but those D cores that those guys you mentioned also have some bigger bodies on them, a D core of all 6' or less, 190 lbs or less will never survive in the playoffs. Some of those guys like Heiskanen,Makar,etc are truly special players so even mentioning them in the same sentence as the Jets current D is funny and I swear Girard was on the ice for the majority of goals scored against the Avs, he's shifty but he gets beat a lot around the Avs net, oh and Klingberg is 6'3" so he's not exactly small.
Cernak just seems like he fills a need, adds some much needed size, shouldn't cost to much to acquire or sign and seems like a realistic addition.
4: Yeah I think Gawanke could probably be a player for the Jets but considering Sami was AHL dman of the year as a rookie and Maurice still wouldn't give him much of a chance rather then the likes of Bitetto then why would I think he'd give any more of a chance to Gawanke, I know Maurice's tendencies so I'm just being realistic, hey there's that word again............
- JetFuel

1: Okay? You still try and offer sheet him.
2: Laine will probably stay. No point in speculating on him as we literally know nothing about the situation. He wrote “Winnipeg is good” not “Trade me”.
3: Cernak fills a need because he’s good, not because he’s tall. The NHL defenceman is the only position in contact sports to be shrinking in size year over year. You can pretty well guarantee that if you pick any team, their best defenceman will either be around or under the 6’ 200 mark, or not known for being physical. See Karlsson, Erik for one example, and Carlson, John for the other.
As for Klingberg, he’s 190lbs. He wouldn’t be hard to move if he stayed still long enough for you to try.
4: Maurice is not a real factor when evaluating the ability of a player. He will be gone before Gawanke hits his prime.

In our conference? I left out Pietrangelo, Parayko, and Ekholm. Those are the only high level tall boys I can think of.

As for Dallas and Vegas, no, I don’t.
Klingberg carries Lindell, and Oleksiak is good because of his reach and strong positioning.
The top 2 defencemen for Vegas are also smaller, more agile players. Theodore and Schmidt are both under 200lbs.

Size isn’t useful if they don’t know what to do with it. Being big and strong is an input, and preventing goals is an output. If you have to players with identical stats, and one is 5”10 170, while the other is 6’3” 220... they are the same level of player. Big man is not better because he’s big. The best player the Jets have ever had when it came to preventing shots in the slot was Toby Enstrom, not Buff or Myers or Trouba or or or
- Rexypoo

You're leaving out all the other dmen on those teams, all the Blues dmen had size other then Dunn and what about all of Vegas' other dmen, they're all bigger bodies. Look at the Islanders D core, mobile yes but still has some bigger guys including Pulock and Mayfield.
Vancouver was much better with Myers then without, you can hate on him all you want and say his fancy stats suck but he's used in all situations for a reason.
I was a big Toby fan, wish he'd stayed somehow but in the end he cost some goals some times strictly cause he was small and in the last minute of a game he's probably not the guy out there protecting a lead with a minute left and a faceoff in the defensive zone, a D core of 6 Toby's wouldn't work, there's still grown men playing this game.

Praying the Jets stay away from Domi.

1: Okay? You still try and offer sheet him.
2: Laine will probably stay. No point in speculating on him as we literally know nothing about the situation. He wrote “Winnipeg is good” not “Trade me”.
3: Cernak fills a need because he’s good, not because he’s tall. The NHL defenceman is the only position in contact sports to be shrinking in size year over year. You can pretty well guarantee that if you pick any team, their best defenceman will either be around or under the 6’ 200 mark, or not known for being physical. See Karlsson, Erik for one example, and Carlson, John for the other.
As for Klingberg, he’s 190lbs. He wouldn’t be hard to move if he stayed still long enough for you to try.
4: Maurice is not a real factor when evaluating the ability of a player. He will be gone before Gawanke hits his prime.
- Rexypoo

1) Sure, I just don't think an offersheet coming from Chevy is realistically going to happen.
2) Hey idk but it's worrying if you're a fan like I am, another Laine trade smoke cloud has me worried there's a fire burning somewhere, I really hope not though, I really hope Chevy puts that fire out with a long term extension for the young Finn!
3)Gawd Rexypoo I don't solely think that Cernak would be a good addition only cause he's big, he's also a good player but I do think Morrissey needs a bigger D partner, sorry I didn't clarify that I think Cernak is more then just a big body.
Erik Karlsson's D partner for years in Ottawa was
Marc Methot, wonder why that was.
4) Sorry man I just don't see Maurice going anywhere, I think ownership loves the guy and also think Maurice coaches to survive.

Praying the Jets stay away from Domi.
- justsaying

Go on?

You're leaving out all the other dmen on those teams, all the Blues dmen had size other then Dunn and what about all of Vegas' other dmen, they're all bigger bodies. Look at the Islanders D core, mobile yes but still has some bigger guys including Pulock and Mayfield.
Vancouver was much better with Myers then without, you can hate on him all you want and say his fancy stats suck but he's used in all situations for a reason.
I was a big Toby fan, wish he'd stayed somehow but in the end he cost some goals some times strictly cause he was small and in the last minute of a game he's probably not the guy out there protecting a lead with a minute left and a faceoff in the defensive zone, a D core of 6 Toby's wouldn't work, there's still grown men playing this game.
- JetFuel

I don’t agree with any of this, but I understand how you reached your conclusions.
But not with Myers. He’s just bad. He made them worse on the ice, had terrible numbers, and was hilariously incompetent in the playoffs.
As for Enstrom, he’s exactly who I would want out with a minute left. Honestly, he’s a perfect partner for Pionk, which makes me sad

1) Sure, I just don't think an offersheet coming from Chevy is realistically going to happen.
2) Hey idk but it's worrying if you're a fan like I am, another Laine trade smoke cloud has me worried there's a fire burning somewhere, I really hope not though, I really hope Chevy puts that fire out with a long term extension for the young Finn!
3)Gawd Rexypoo I don't solely think that Cernak would be a good addition only cause he's big, he's also a good player but I do think Morrissey needs a bigger D partner, sorry I didn't clarify that I think Cernak is more then just a big body.
Erik Karlsson's D partner for years in Ottawa was
Marc Methot, wonder why that was.
4) Sorry man I just don't see Maurice going anywhere, I think ownership loves the guy and also think Maurice coaches to survive.
- JetFuel

1: Fair.
2: Also fair, but there’s been smoke around Ehlers for years now with nothing to show for it. He better stay.
3: I want Cernak, too. But also DeMelo.
And the reason Karlsson was partnered with Methot was supposed “defensive ability”, even though Karlsson dragged Methot kicking and screaming to mediocrity in all 3 zones. Methot wasn’t even an NHL player, but Karlsson was a god. So it looked like it worked.
4: Don’t say that to me

I don’t agree with any of this, but I understand how you reached your conclusions.
But not with Myers. He’s just bad. He made them worse on the ice, had terrible numbers, and was hilariously incompetent in the playoffs.
As for Enstrom, he’s exactly who I would want out with a minute left. Honestly, he’s a perfect partner for Pionk, which makes me sad
- Rexypoo

We see it differently, all good!

Well Heinola-Pionk may be coming to a rink near you soon so maybe you'll get the next best thing, no reason to be sad.. Lol

1: Fair.
2: Also fair, but there’s been smoke around Ehlers for years now with nothing to show for it. He better stay.
3: I want Cernak, too. But also DeMelo.
And the reason Karlsson was partnered with Methot was supposed “defensive ability”, even though Karlsson dragged Methot kicking and screaming to mediocrity in all 3 zones. Methot wasn’t even an NHL player, but Karlsson was a god. So it looked like it worked.
4: Don’t say that to me
- Rexypoo

1: Cool
2: They better both be staying, there's only 4 untouchables in this organization for me and
27 and 29 are two of them!
3: DeMelo is a 3rd pairing dman, if he signs cheap enough then fine but otherwise he can move along.
4: I really really hope I'm wrong.

I don’t agree with any of this, but I understand how you reached your conclusions.
But not with Myers. He’s just bad. He made them worse on the ice, had terrible numbers, and was hilariously incompetent in the playoffs.
As for Enstrom, he’s exactly who I would want out with a minute left. Honestly, he’s a perfect partner for Pionk, which makes me sad
- Rexypoo

The same Tyler Myers that scored more goals in one playoffs than both Lowry and Ehlers combined have?

Ehlers and Lowry 56 playoff games played and have combined for a total of 5 goals.

Myers played 26 playoff games for the Jets and scored 5 goals. If Myers is hilariously incompetent in the playoffs, what would you define Lowry and Ehlers as? On top of that Myers has nowhere the high goal scoring ability that Ehlers has. And, I love Ehlers.

We see it differently, all good!

Well Heinola-Pionk may be coming to a rink near you soon so maybe you'll get the next best thing, no reason to be sad.. Lol
- JetFuel

Please...

1: Cool
2: They better both be staying, there's only 4 untouchables in this organization for me and
27 and 29 are two of them!
3: DeMelo is a 3rd pairing dman, if he signs cheap enough then fine but otherwise he can move along.
4: I really really hope I'm wrong.
- JetFuel

No on this team should be untouchable. If Gretzky in his prime can be traded, than anybody can be traded.

1: Cool
2: They better both be staying, there's only 4 untouchables in this organization for me and
27 and 29 are two of them!
3: DeMelo is a 3rd pairing dman, if he signs cheap enough then fine but otherwise he can move along.
4: I really really hope I'm wrong.
- JetFuel

DeMelo is a high end 2nd pairing dman. He had the 2nd highest war among Jets blueliners, and he was only there for a month

The same Tyler Myers that scored more goals in one playoffs than both Lowry and Ehlers combined have?

Ehlers and Lowry 56 playoff games played and have combined for a total of 5 goals.

Myers played 26 playoff games for the Jets and scored 5 goals. If Myers is hilariously incompetent in the playoffs, what would you define Lowry and Ehlers as? On top of that Myers has nowhere the high goal scoring ability that Ehlers has. And, I love Ehlers.
- TheUltimateJet

A: I also love random and small sample sizes while comparing 3 radically different players, two of them combined.
B: when you try to defend Myers with total goals, it honestly makes me wonder if you’ve ever seen him play. We are at a point in society where we understand that Patrick Kane is so bad defensively that he’s about as valuable overall as an average 4th liner, and you’re out here doing this

A: I also love random and small sample sizes while comparing 3 radically different players, two of them combined.
B: when you try to defend Myers with total goals, it honestly makes me wonder if you’ve ever seen him play. We are at a point in society where we understand that Patrick Kane is so bad defensively that he’s about as valuable overall as an average 4th liner, and you’re out here doing this
- Rexypoo

I actually wonder if you watch the games. You clearly have no concept of quality of competition. Myers does make big gaffs at times mostly due to the fact of his size and yet you say nothing of the gaffs that Trouba and Byfuglien made, which they made lots of.

You bash Connor on his defensive play and make no mention of how Laine leads this team in giveaways. You bash Myers and take no note of the competition he's up against. He was top 5 in minutes played on the Jets in 2017-18 in the playoffs. The same ones we went to the conference in.

Also you refuse to answer questions and defend players you like based on nothing but the fact you like them. I used to think you were an analytics guy, that is clearly not the case.

No on this team should be untouchable. If Gretzky in his prime can be traded, than anybody can be traded.
- TheUltimateJet

I know that but I'm allowed to like the players I like and as much as I want to see this team win I also want to be entertained at the same time and 27&29 are the Jets that entertain me the most with their play.

DeMelo is a high end 2nd pairing dman. He had the 2nd highest war among Jets blueliners, and he was only there for a month
- Rexypoo

He may have had the 2nd highest war amongst Jets blueliners but is he a Gwar fan? I think we need to know that before we sign him!

Seriously though yeah he could maybe be a 2nd pair RHD with a better partner but then what do you do with Pionk, he and Morrissey might work in the regular season but I don't think they'd last in the playoffs and they need a RHD that can quarterback the powerplay better then Pionk but DeMelo isn't that guy, this defense is such a mess!.

I know that but I'm allowed to like the players I like and as much as I want to see this team win I also want to be entertained at the same time and 27&29 are the Jets that entertain me the most with their play.
- JetFuel

I used to think that 27 & 29 were Selanne and Kariya version 2.0. After watching them play together for the last few years, I think they play better when apart. Ehlers scores his first 2 playoff goals this year, which was also the first time he was not with Laine. Coincidence?

Don't really see the entertainment value in 29. All he does is stay static in one power play spot and shoot. For a guy his size, he should be plowing over opponents, be hard to take off the puck and be absolutely dominant. Does he do any of that? I haven't seen any of it. Will he ever have it? Can't say. Loved Laine the day he was drafted and especially after he said he was going to make the Leads regret not taking him. Thought he would score more goals than Mathews. That hasn't happened either.