Hated Enstrom’s long stick. He couldn’t shoot, take passes, or stickhandle with it.
- bennythehat

Things Neal Pionk, Jacob Trouba, Josh Morrissey, and Tyler Myers all have in common: having 2 or fewer seasons with double digit goal totals. As many as Enstrom.
He also taught Byfuglien how to take passes by choking up on/flipping hands on his stick. Even Stuart picked up on that trick.
As for the stick handling... come on dude.

My bad....I didn’t realize that Enstrom invented the stick choke up move. Maybe he can go into the HHOF as a “builder” ?

My bad....I didn’t realize that Enstrom invented the stick choke up move. Maybe he can go into the HHOF as a “builder” ?
- bennythehat

“Pioneer”

I think this talk about Enstrom, a guy that played just 43 games and was benched in the playoffs during the Jets most successful season puzzling.

I do not see the reason to keep discussing him, especially since he has not played in the NHL for the last two seasons.

What's the constant for the Jets for the past 6 seasons? It's the coaching. If you want to find an excuse the logical conclusion for the Jets lack of success is there, instead of the 22 players on the roster.
Or if you believe it's the players, go even further back the GM has had 9 years to build a contender through draft and development, he was suppose to have accomplished that in 2018, 2 years later and they weren't even a playoff threat which shouldn't have happened once you have your core in place.
- BWJumper

You won't get any argument from me about Maurice, I don't think he's ever coaching a team to a cup unless it's basically a team of All-stars but even then I doubt he could. I do think a different coach could get better results from this group but I doubt there's a coach out there that could get a cup out of this team, they're just not good enough the way they're currently built and have too many holes.

Can't be critical of Chevy in these parts don't ya know, his defenders come out in full force! Apparently every player in the league has trade protection, his drafting record is impeccable and he's won every trade he's made!

You won't get any argument from me about Maurice, I don't think he's ever coaching a team to a cup unless it's basically a team of All-stars but even then I doubt he could. I do think a different coach could get better results from this group but I doubt there's a coach out there that could get a cup out of this team, they're just not good enough the way they're currently built and have too many holes.

Can't be critical of Chevy in these parts don't ya know, his defenders come out in full force! Apparently every player in the league has trade protection, his drafting record is impeccable and he's won every trade he's made!
- JetFuel

Great post!

I think this talk about Enstrom, a guy that played just 43 games and was benched in the playoffs during the Jets most successful season puzzling.

I do not see the reason to keep discussing him, especially since he has not played in the NHL for the last two seasons.
- TheUltimateJet

He also scratched Copp and Chairot. All 3 decisions were puzzling by Maurice

You won't get any argument from me about Maurice, I don't think he's ever coaching a team to a cup unless it's basically a team of All-stars but even then I doubt he could. I do think a different coach could get better results from this group but I doubt there's a coach out there that could get a cup out of this team, they're just not good enough the way they're currently built and have too many holes.

Can't be critical of Chevy in these parts don't ya know, his defenders come out in full force! Apparently every player in the league has trade protection, his drafting record is impeccable and he's won every trade he's made!
- JetFuel

He lost the Trouba trade, let Maurice ruin the Hayes trade, but won Stastny

He lost the Trouba trade, let Maurice ruin the Hayes trade, but won Stastny
- Rexypoo

Pionk > Trouba. Trouba took countless indiscipline penalties, and was very public that he did not want to be in Peg. Given that, Chevy still managed to get a better D, plus a 1st who could become another key piece to the D core going forward. That still has yet to be seen but that was an obvious win on Chevy's end.

Now lets look at his best contract signings. Scheiffs is probably a top 10 C in this league and at 6.125M AAV, its an absolute bargain. Helle is nominated for Vezina again, and will probably win it. Another 6M bargain. Ehlers is another steal, and many teams are lined up for him if the trade rumors are true. Laine is the riskiest of all potential extensions to be had this offseason, but Chevy ensured another year of RFA rights to give him some insurace. All these guys are young and continuing to improve. No complaints.

Wheeler is still great, but I expect his extension to become a growing concern as the years go by. I have never been a fan of Little and despised that extension the day it was inked (but he may not be a cap hit if he remains on LTIR, wish him the best on his recovery). And Lowry/Perrault are both overpaid, but are in their final year so who cares. Overall Chevy has done a great job drafting, signing, and keeping his riskiest assets on RFA contract extensions.

Pionk > Trouba. Trouba took countless indiscipline penalties, and was very public that he did not want to be in Peg. Given that, Chevy still managed to get a better D, plus a 1st who could become another key piece to the D core going forward. That still has yet to be seen but that was an obvious win on Chevy's end.

Now lets look at his best contract signings. Scheiffs is probably a top 10 C in this league and at 6.125M AAV, its an absolute bargain. Helle is nominated for Vezina again, and will probably win it. Another 6M bargain. Ehlers is another steal, and many teams are lined up for him if the trade rumors are true. Laine is the riskiest of all potential extensions to be had this offseason, but Chevy ensured another year of RFA rights to give him some insurace. All these guys are young and continuing to improve. No complaints.

Wheeler is still great, but I expect his extension to become a growing concern as the years go by. I have never been a fan of Little and despised that extension the day it was inked (but he may not be a cap hit if he remains on LTIR, wish him the best on his recovery). And Lowry/Perrault are both overpaid, but are in their final year so who cares. Overall Chevy has done a great job drafting, signing, and keeping his riskiest assets on RFA contract extensions.
- bikeguy99

Pionk>Trouba this year.
Trouba>Pionk going forward.
Even with that in mind, the trade was very bad at the time, which is when we judge it. Trouba was a top pairing guy for us, and Pionk was the worst full time defenceman in the NHL in 18-19. It was a miracle this paid off.
Heinola will be better than both, however, and possibly as early as this year.

Pionk>Trouba this year.
Trouba>Pionk going forward.
Even with that in mind, the trade was very bad at the time, which is when we judge it. Trouba was a top pairing guy for us, and Pionk was the worst full time defenceman in the NHL in 18-19. It was a miracle this paid off.
Heinola will be better than both, however, and possibly as early as this year.
- Rexypoo

Seriously?!?!?! Trouba is older, played worse, and will continue that trend. Not to mention 5M AAV savings for the jets. Trouba is the 3RD in NYR right now. DeAngelo and Fox were both better this season. If you factor in that they had to buy out Shattenkirk (who also had a bad season and has a buyout penalty of 6.25M against their cap), that trade was a monumental loss. Trouba + Shatts cap hit combine for over 14M. If you think that the rangers won this trade you'd better tell me where your getting your. Imagine the cap nightmare the Jets would be in would they have not made that trade, and kept the underachieving Trouba. His athleticism is off the charts, but his IQ will always hold him back.

Seriously?!?!?! Trouba is older, played worse, and will continue that trend. Not to mention 5M AAV savings for the jets. Trouba is the 3RD in NYR right now. DeAngelo and Fox were both better this season. If you factor in that they had to buy out Shattenkirk (who also had a bad season and has a buyout penalty of 6.25M against their cap), that trade was a monumental loss. Trouba + Shatts cap hit combine for over 14M. If you think that the rangers won this trade you'd better tell me where your getting your. Imagine the cap nightmare the Jets would be in would they have not made that trade, and kept the underachieving Trouba. His athleticism is off the charts, but his IQ will always hold him back.
- bikeguy99

New York “winning” the trade was maybe the wrong choice of words. The Jets have gotten extremely lucky so far.
The trade being an absolute nightmare at the time remains true.

As for your Trouba comments, what makes you think he’ll continue like last year when it was an unpredictable drop? Everything we know about Trouba and statistical analysis in general says he bounces back.

New York “winning” the trade was maybe the wrong choice of words. The Jets have gotten extremely lucky so far.
The trade being an absolute nightmare at the time remains true.

As for your Trouba comments, what makes you think he’ll continue like last year when it was an unpredictable drop? Everything we know about Trouba and statistical analysis in general says he bounces back.
- Rexypoo

Trouba is getting a pass for this past year!

Trouba is getting a pass for this past year!
- TheUltimateJet

I'm not a Trouba fan by any means but I'm pretty sure I heard he played the most minutes of any Rangers dman, if that's true he's probably getting the tougher match ups while Fox and Deangelo get to rack up points.

Pionk > Trouba. Trouba took countless indiscipline penalties, and was very public that he did not want to be in Peg. Given that, Chevy still managed to get a better D, plus a 1st who could become another key piece to the D core going forward. That still has yet to be seen but that was an obvious win on Chevy's end.

Now lets look at his best contract signings. Scheiffs is probably a top 10 C in this league and at 6.125M AAV, its an absolute bargain. Helle is nominated for Vezina again, and will probably win it. Another 6M bargain. Ehlers is another steal, and many teams are lined up for him if the trade rumors are true. Laine is the riskiest of all potential extensions to be had this offseason, but Chevy ensured another year of RFA rights to give him some insurace. All these guys are young and continuing to improve. No complaints.

Wheeler is still great, but I expect his extension to become a growing concern as the years go by. I have never been a fan of Little and despised that extension the day it was inked (but he may not be a cap hit if he remains on LTIR, wish him the best on his recovery). And Lowry/Perrault are both overpaid, but are in their final year so who cares. Overall Chevy has done a great job drafting, signing, and keeping his riskiest assets on RFA contract extensions.
- bikeguy99

If Chevy has done such a great job drafting they wouldn't be in the mess they currently find themselves in with a lineup full of holes and there'd be zero consideration of trading Ehlers or Laine to fill those holes.

Chevy's draft record is pretty overrated.

I'm not a Trouba fan by any means but I'm pretty sure I heard he played the most minutes of any Rangers dman, if that's true he's probably getting the tougher match ups while Fox and Deangelo get to rack up points.
- JetFuel

Don't try to explain quality of competition. It's something that many posters have a challenging time comprehending.

If Chevy has done such a great job drafting they wouldn't be in the mess they currently find themselves in with a lineup full of holes and there'd be zero consideration of trading Ehlers or Laine to fill those holes.

Chevy's draft record is pretty overrated.
- JetFuel

I think this whole off season dialogue of us being full of holes is blown way out of proportion. I honestly feel a different coaching staff could make this team look significantly different and better with the exact line up

-we need another Righ shot D, hopefully top 4 yes, that is true.
-we could use another center yes, but Wheeler or Copp could do the job if we better positioned the wingers they have to compliment them.
-I have faith both Harkins and Roslovic will be better as will Connor, Laine and Ehlers.
-Heinola and Samberg are already better and improvements over Bitteto, Sbiza, Beaulieu, Kuliand Dahlstrom.
-Vessalainen is a wild card, has all the tools will his attitude and desire to be better kick in? IMO Vessalainen already has the 2nd best one timer on the roster and would be awesome on 2nd pp.

anyways, i'd love to see a couple moves but don't bring in guys like Hamonic who are not good to block younger guys who are better.

and most importantly….Fire Maurice

I think this whole off season dialogue of us being full of holes is blown way out of proportion. I honestly feel a different coaching staff could make this team look significantly different and better with the exact line up

-we need another Righ shot D, hopefully top 4 yes, that is true.
-we could use another center yes, but Wheeler or Copp could do the job if we better positioned the wingers they have to compliment them.
-I have faith both Harkins and Roslovic will be better as will Connor, Laine and Ehlers.
-Heinola and Samberg are already better and improvements over Bitteto, Sbiza, Beaulieu, Kuliand Dahlstrom.
-Vessalainen is a wild card, has all the tools will his attitude and desire to be better kick in? IMO Vessalainen already has the 2nd best one timer on the roster and would be awesome on 2nd pp.

anyways, i'd love to see a couple moves but don't bring in guys like Hamonic who are not good to block younger guys who are better.

and most importantly….Fire Maurice
- Ross77

I think Maurice deserves a pass. If players can bounce back from two subpar years, gosh darn it so can this coach!

Trouba is getting a pass for this past year!
- TheUltimateJet

Not at all. He wasn’t good, and that’s on him.
The system was also bad, and this is well outside the norm for him.
And so, the expectation is that he will bounce back

Seriously?!?!?! Trouba is older, played worse, and will continue that trend. Not to mention 5M AAV savings for the jets. Trouba is the 3RD in NYR right now. DeAngelo and Fox were both better this season. If you factor in that they had to buy out Shattenkirk (who also had a bad season and has a buyout penalty of 6.25M against their cap), that trade was a monumental loss. Trouba + Shatts cap hit combine for over 14M. If you think that the rangers won this trade you'd better tell me where your getting your. Imagine the cap nightmare the Jets would be in would they have not made that trade, and kept the underachieving Trouba. His athleticism is off the charts, but his IQ will always hold him back.
- bikeguy99

So you consider a single year where two players completely flipped their usual performances after a trade to be a “trend”?
Both Pionk and Trouba will regress to the mean, that being improvement for Trouba, and regression for Pionk

The Shattenkirk buyout was stupid, and everyone knows it was stupid, but it’s also unrelated.

I think Maurice deserves a pass. If players can bounce back from two subpar years, gosh darn it so can this coach!

- TheUltimateJet

Maurice is the same as he always was... dafuq are you on about. He’s in fine 1995 form

I'm not a Trouba fan by any means but I'm pretty sure I heard he played the most minutes of any Rangers dman, if that's true he's probably getting the tougher match ups while Fox and Deangelo get to rack up points.
- JetFuel

If that is the logic, then I am expecting Morrissey to log the most TOI on LD, while Beaulieu cruises to a 40+ point season...... Because Fox and DeAngelo sure had an easy time eclipising Trouba. Generally more TOI means more points. So lets look at the 5v5 play.

Trouba had 23 points, was a -12, with 62 PIMS (leading the rangers D by a mile)
DeAngelo had 53 points, was a +12, with 47 pims
Fox had 34 points, +22, with 32 pims.
Shatternkirk whos' buyout will cost the Rags 6M this coming season, and 1.5M AAV for the 2 years to follow notched 34 points, +22, and 38 PIMS this season

I don't see any situation how you can think this trade was a win for the Rags. I know people don't like +/- stats, and that is fair. But it should be noted when your 5v5 goal differential is a minimum of 24 different from your team mates after a shortened season. That 8M is very steep and who do you think is out there logging the tough PK minutes every time he takes an indiscipline penalty. So with that logic, I can't wait to watch the Jets bottom pairing absolute rack up the points...........

since we debate this on here quite often about people wanting or not wanting to come here,

Kevin Bieska just said on the spittin chicklets podcast that at the end of his career Chipman, Maurice and Chevy all called him to try and convince him to come here and he said no.

since we debate this on here quite often about people wanting or not wanting to come here,

Kevin Bieska just said on the spittin chicklets podcast that at the end of his career Chipman, Maurice and Chevy all called him to try and convince him to come here and he said no.
- Ross77

Asking a guy whose career is over if he wants to extend it a year, is not the same as offering a boat load of money to somebody and they declined.

Asking a guy whose career is over if he wants to extend it a year, is not the same as offering a boat load of money to somebody and they declined.
- BWJumper

I agree but its still relevant, no two examples or cases would ever be the same so excuses can be made for anyone.

I was simply pointing out a case where someone chose retirement over however many millions we were offering.