But it’s their competitive drive that separates them from the rest of us. I don’t think that drive goes away easily. Even with age and success.
- bloatedmosquito

counter-counter point.

Vegas went to the quarter finals and have a more competitive team than any teams that were listed: Edm Cgy Buff Ott Det NJ Minn Chi Pitt SJ

i'd take that chance. Stick with Vegas and wait for your shot to steal the reigns again, as opposed to playing 50 games for Detroit.

But it’s their competitive drive that separates them from the rest of us. I don’t think that drive goes away easily. Even with age and success.
- bloatedmosquito

You get to live in Det

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: I think Canucks want to bring both the goalies back & make a decision in a year. I wouldn’t be surprised if Markstrom and Canucks are talking about is this: We’ll consider a NMC after expansion draft. We make our decision & if you’re our guy, then you get locked in
- VANTEL

So multiple year with a NMC after the first? Or a one year deal with a handshake for after that?

Either way, hope JB can do that. Would actually be alright if they only get one more year of Marky with Demko showing he's able to play a big load of games

So multiple year with a NMC after the first? Or a one year deal with a handshake for after that?

Either way, hope JB can do that. Would actually be alright if they only get one more year of Marky with Demko showing he's able to play a big load of games
- NewYorkNuck

Can't really see how this would work. I doubt Marky signs if he's risking getting moved via trade or expansion in a year or less. If that's the case, he might as well choose his destination this year in free agency.

Can't really see how this would work. I doubt Marky signs if he's risking getting moved via trade or expansion in a year or less. If that's the case, he might as well choose his destination this year in free agency.
- Load Management

It would just work that the first year of the contract is a NTC, the rest are NMC – he can be exposed to Seattle.

If he did that, he'd be "choosing" between Vancouver and Seattle. For all he knows, Seattle might choose someone else from the Canucks.

Also, I'm just going off what's being reported the Canucks are trying/talking to him about. So, not my idea.

It would just work that the first year of the contract is a NTC, the rest are NMC – he can be exposed to Seattle.

If he did that, he'd be "choosing" between Vancouver and Seattle. For all he knows, Seattle might choose someone else from the Canucks.

Also, I'm just going off what's being reported the Canucks are trying/talking to him about. So, not my idea.
- NewYorkNuck

Oh, ok. You were vague with the structure details, or I missed them because I didn't back read.

So structure the contract so it's not as attractive for Seattle and let him be exposed via NTC. Then if he stays past year one NMC. Correct?

"There is a # of teams that have stressed going below that 81.5 cap & at least a few teams that want to get it into the low 70’s or lower. I heard from a good source today that ARZ has basically said anyone 25 or older, make an offer & they’re willing to listen.” @DarrenDreger


Only so many teams can absorb salaries.

Oh, ok. You were vague with the structure details, or I missed them because I didn't back read.

So structure the contract so it's not as attractive for Seattle and let him be exposed via NTC. Then if he stays past year one NMC. Correct?
- Load Management

That is how I understood it.

Isn’t that structure basically committing the team to trade Demko if Markstrom isn’t selected by Seattle? Markstrom would be unmovable after then, even if he had already lost the starting role, at “star goalie AAV” ($5M per?) locked in for the remaining term...

1 yr full NTC then MNTC. Middle load contract with 2 yr movement penalty of balloon payment in off season. Making Marky NMC proof against expansion and year into Demko RFA extension. Don't want to give Demko too much leverage then if he was only goalie left standing.

"There is a # of teams that have stressed going below that 81.5 cap & at least a few teams that want to get it into the low 70’s or lower. I heard from a good source today that ARZ has basically said anyone 25 or older, make an offer & they’re willing to listen.” @DarrenDreger


Only so many teams can absorb salaries.
- Pacificgem

Let the bidding war for Eriksson begin.

1 yr full NTC then MNTC. Middle load contract with 2 yr movement penalty of balloon payment in off season. Making Marky NMC proof against expansion and year into Demko RFA extension. Don't want to give Demko too much leverage then if he was only goalie left standing.
- NuckUp

I haven’t seen any deals with a balloon payment like you propose. Is that allowed within the CBA and specifically the SPC? IANAL, but as I read the CBA, the restrictions against excessive year over year salary & bonus changes and how signing / reporting / bonus payments must be structured, this movement penalty / balloon payment seems difficult to accomplish. Can you point to any examples where players have these provisions in their agreements?

That is how I understood it.

Isn’t that structure basically committing the team to trade Demko if Markstrom isn’t selected by Seattle? Markstrom would be unmovable after then, even if he had already lost the starting role, at “star goalie AAV” ($5M per?) locked in for the remaining term...
- SlightlyOffside

Not sure. Too many odd variables at this point. 5 mil isn't a nasty price for a starter. Either way, at some point they have to make a concrete decision. I doubt either guy wants to hang around to be a backup. So playing could trump any NMC.

I haven’t seen any deals with a balloon payment like you propose. Is that allowed within the CBA and specifically the SPC? IANAL, but as I read the CBA, the restrictions against excessive year over year salary & bonus changes and how signing / reporting / bonus payments must be structured, this movement penalty / balloon payment seems difficult to accomplish. Can you point to any examples where players have these provisions in their agreements?
- SlightlyOffside

I haven't seen anything in new agreement to prevent it plus no one here objected to it before. But even just middle loading alone (without balloon penalty on movement) is an expansion deterrent. Lets say on 4yr $5M AAv yr 1 $1M Yr 2 $15M yr3 $3M Yr 4 $1M as example.

I haven't seen anything in new agreement to prevent it plus no one here objected to it before. But even just middle loading alone (without balloon penalty on movement) is an expansion deterrent. Lets say on 4yr $5M AAv yr 1 $1M Yr 2 $15M yr3 $3M Yr 4 $1M as example.
- NuckUp

Pretty sure i've read something, somewhere at sometime that said you can't have that much variance year to year.
Could be wrong.

Pretty sure i've read something, somewhere at sometime that said you can't have that much variance year to year.
Could be wrong.
- dbot

You can't

You can't
- VANTEL

But you can have variance in how it's paid out in real money via signing bonuses.

But you can have variance in how it's paid out in real money via signing bonuses.
- Load Management

The cap can vary 35 % from year to year and under no circumstance can one year be more than 50 % from the highest year to the lowest. You can have your highest year of a 6 mil contract say 7.5 (approx but your lowest year then can not be lower than 4.5 approx ( guessing numbers) . Of that 4.5 mil year you can have 3.5 mil bonus and 1 mil as cap but you still can't go lower than the 4.5 mil

The cap can vary 35 % from year to year and under no circumstance can one year be more than 50 % from the highest year to the lowest. You can have your highest year of a 6 mil contract say 7.5 (approx but your lowest year then can not be lower than 4.5 approx ( guessing numbers) of that 4.5 mil year you can have 3.5 mil bonus and 1 mil as cap but you still can't go lower than the 4.5 mil
- VANTEL

Thanks.

The "GMs"

But you can have variance in how it's paid out in real money via signing bonuses.
- Load Management

Yes, definitely! Even that, though, appears to be constrained by the maximum year over year variation, which is not allowed to exceed the minimum year salary + bonus, and which is also restricted for any one player to be not more than a fixed % of the team’s cap (18%?) based on the year it is signed.

there are lawyers and capologists to work thru & around these restrictions...though I’m doubtful whether a movement penalty clause or very large mid-loading of a contract is doable within this CBA.

Having said that...creative approach! It certainly would work in some pro leagues, like the NBA.

Oddsmakers have Tampa favoured over Dallas (+150), presuming Lightning advance tonight. good bet? I think this might be the Lightning’s year to win

Oddsmakers have Tampa favoured over Dallas (+150), presuming Lightning advance tonight. good bet? I think this might be the Lightning’s year to win
- SlightlyOffside

I've had Dallas losing every series they've won so far.

I've had Dallas losing every series they've won so far.
- Load Management

So you'll finally be right