I mean you essentially have to bear hug someone at this point to get a holding call on the O-Line and there is no crowd noise.

That has a huge effect on the defence.
- Pegullaville

Nobody is winning with defense
Nobody is beating a good team with average qb play
Few teams have won, based on their run game

The o-line is being bear hugged, because their's no crowd noise? 🙉

Nobody is winning with defense
Nobody is beating a good team with average qb play
Few teams have won, based on their run game

The o-line is being bear hugged, because their's no crowd noise? 🙉
- Boss34

The amount of penalties called on NFL offences is down sharply to start off the year, that is fact.

There is also no crowd noise, that is also a fact.

If there is any sport that suffers the most with playing without fans it’s football, and the players who suffer the most are defensive players.

I complimented your defence’s effort today because of that, it’s not rocket science.

did the bills win

did the bills win
- TheSabresTaco

Yes they did

Raiders punted ONCE
We play like that against the good teams we’ve got coming up & we lose
Can’t depend on turnovers to win games
- jdfitz77

I was frustrated with the D also, but:

1. Teams do depend on turnovers as , “the team that wins the turnover battle, usually wins the game,” and
2. That 4 and 1 stop, in lieu of a LV punt, was a huge stop by Oliver

Also, Once they took Klein out of the game and replaced him with Dodson, the D looked totally different to me

The amount of penalties called on NFL offences is down sharply to start off the year, that is fact.

There is also no crowd noise, that is also a fact.

If there is any sport that suffers the most with playing without fans it’s football, and the players who suffer the most are defensive players.

I complimented your defence’s effort today because of that, it’s not rocket science.
- Pegullaville

You complimented my defense and subliminally left off 7 points as well. 23 points given up today.

20 points being your basis for a "good defense " argument from the other day.

It's not rocket science, teams in the nfl win in various ways.

Today overall, it was not average qb beating franchise qbs , great run games and good defenses that won.

It's ok to be wrong

Raiders punted ONCE
We play like that against the good teams we’ve got coming up & we lose
Can’t depend on turnovers to win games
- jdfitz77

You aren’t wrong. This happened last year too vs average or better QBs.

Our good defense last year was elite because we beat up on some god awful QBs

Sabres trade 8th overall plus Montour to Ottawa for the 5th overall and take Perfetti Rossi or Drysdale

Yes they did
- Buff36

i never know after coming by here after the game.

Sabres trade 8th overall plus Montour to Ottawa for the 5th overall and take Perfetti Rossi or Drysdale
- lulags

Would you make that trade? Drop out of the top 5 for Montour and the honor of paying him 5 million a year or so and you have a cheap-ass owner?

You complimented my defense and subliminally left off 7 points as well. 23 points given up today.

20 points being your basis for a "good defense " argument from the other day.

It's not rocket science, teams in the nfl win in various ways.

Today overall, it was not average qb beating franchise qbs , great run games and good defenses that won.

It's ok to be wrong
- Boss34

I said the Bills has an elite defence last year because they won 10 games with an offence that scored subbed 20 points.

However yes I would say a defence is pretty damn good if they allow up to or less then 20 points over the course of a season.

They held Oakland to 16 until the final drive in garbage time and they were playing a prevent defence essentially conceding a TD by only giving Oakland under routes in order to kill the clock.

Cleveland, Minnesota, Cincinnati, New Orleans, and Baltimore mostly with the help of Lamar all had monster rushing performances today.

Would you make that trade? Drop out of the top 5 for Montour and the honor of paying him 5 million a year or so and you have a cheap-ass owner?
- GilPerreault11

Hell, no.

Would you make that trade? Drop out of the top 5 for Montour and the honor of paying him 5 million a year or so and you have a cheap-ass owner?
- GilPerreault11

Montour is a valuable asset who did not work in our system. He is exactly what Ottawa needs. A puck moving defenseman who would be willing to sign a multi-year cheap and you still gain an 8th to barter

Hell, no.
- Powerslave

I'm not sure what the price of moving up three spots into the top 5 is I'd have to go back and look up past trades and I don't feel like it.

Only one in recent history I can think of

https://scrimmageandstats...p-nhl-trade-on-draft-day/

May have flagged you on accident.

(frank)ing phones.
- Powerslave

No big deal

Would you make that trade? Drop out of the top 5 for Montour and the honor of paying him 5 million a year or so and you have a cheap-ass owner?
- GilPerreault11

Montour is not getting $5M per.

I said the Bills has an elite defence last year because they won 10 games with an offence that scored subbed 20 points.

However yes I would say a defence is pretty damn good if they allow up to or less then 20 points over the course of a season.

They held Oakland to 16 until the final drive in garbage time and they were playing a prevent defence essentially conceding a TD by only giving Oakland under routes in order to kill the clock.

Cleveland, Minnesota, Cincinnati, New Orleans, and Baltimore mostly with the help of Lamar all had monster rushing performances today.
- Pegullaville

Qb 115.8 qb rating. 288 yards passing and 3 total tds
62 team rushing yards
Defense gave up 383 total yards

Better than average qb play
Bad rushing stats
Kinda bad defense aside from the 2 turnovers (vs. Derek carr)

Bill's won with the complete opposite philosophy flacco

For a young guy, your playing dinosaur football

I said the Bills has an elite defence last year because they won 10 games with an offence that scored subbed 20 points.

However yes I would say a defence is pretty damn good if they allow up to or less then 20 points over the course of a season.

They held Oakland to 16 until the final drive in garbage time and they were playing a prevent defence essentially conceding a TD by only giving Oakland under routes in order to kill the clock.

Cleveland, Minnesota, Cincinnati, New Orleans, and Baltimore mostly with the help of Lamar all had monster rushing performances today.
- Pegullaville

This same defence hasn't forced a punt in the equivalent of 2.5 games.

Qb 115.8 qb rating. 288 yards passing and 3 total tds
62 team rushing yards
Defense gave up 383 total yards

Better than average qb play
Bad rushing stats
Kinda bad defense aside from the 2 turnovers (vs. Derek carr)

Bill's won with the complete opposite philosophy flacco

For a young guy, your playing dinosaur football
- Boss34

Rex Ryan is for sure a first ballot Hall of Famer.

Probably the lamest thing anyone on here says is that the Giants and Jets are New Jersey teams... The Bills themselves don't even play in Buffalo. Should we call them the Orchard Park Bills? They play 15 miles outside of Buffalo. Further away from Buffalo than East Rutherford is outside of Manhattan.

The San Francisco 49ers play in Santa Clara/San Jose, 45 miles away from San Fransisco. The Dallas Cowboys play in Arlington, 20 miles outside of Dallas. Miami Dolphins don't play in Miami, neither does Washington Football Team play in DC. Rams and Chargers play in Inglewood, 12 miles South of Los Angles.

Good god, they're Called the NEW YORK football teams because they represent the largest city in the United States. Stop with the unnecessary butt-hurt.

Edit: The Raiders don't even play in LAS VEGAS!
- 3rd GM's the charm

Lol. Someone has never read this board before.

Montour is not getting $5M per.
- kingcong39

Before last year he had 32 and 35 pt years

His salary last year:

Cap hit $3,387,500 Total Salary $3,525,000

He will get a raise and we will see what he gets

Qb 115.8 qb rating. 288 yards passing and 3 total tds
62 team rushing yards
Defense gave up 383 total yards

Better than average qb play
Bad rushing stats
Kinda bad defense aside from the 2 turnovers (vs. Derek carr)

Bill's won with the complete opposite philosophy flacco

For a young guy, your playing dinosaur football
- Boss34

3 turnovers if you count the 4th and 1 stop which is a turnover on downs.

I’d be happy if my team gave up 16 points and forced three turnovers before a late touchdown with under two minutes to go in a two score game.

Those turnovers, along with strong special teams play from Andre Roberts, provided the offence with many short fields to work with.

How often has the Bills offence had to drive 75+ this year ?

The only glaring issues I see currently are the field goal kicker and the punter whom can’t pin a team within their own 20 to save his life it appears.

3 turnovers if you count the 4th and 1 stop which is a turnover on downs.

I’d be happy if my team gave up 16 points and forced three turnovers before a late touchdown with under two minutes to go in a two score game.

Those turnovers, along with strong special teams play from Andre Roberts, provided the offence with many short fields to work with.

How often has the Bills offence had to drive 75+ this year ?

The only glaring issues I see currently is the field goal kicker and the punter whom can’t pin a team within their own 20 to save his life it appears.
- Pegullaville

It was a fine game. People are pissed that it's not last year. There's record scoring so far this year. The Bills are almost smack in the middle in scoring defense: 44 points to the best team, the Colts(known powerhouse, obviously), and 46 to the last place Cowboys(yep, that tracks). And they're much closer to the top in scoring offense: just 21 points to the Seahawks and 76 to the Giants. The Bills are only 4 points from being 2nd in scoring too.

Along with the Packers, the Bills have been the most impressive of the undefeated teams so far. If we aren’t top 3 or 4 in the power rankings after this week, it’s a disgrace.
- Losman

Yeah...no. The Chiefs have been the most impressive undefeated team so far.