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Nucker101
Vancouver Canucks
Location: Vancouver, BC
Joined: 09.26.2010

Oct 7 @ 3:08 PM ET
198 is not really Lanky
- VANTEL


If he's 6'4" it definitely is. If he was 6 feet tall then I'd agree.
A_SteamingLombardi
Location: Systemic failure / Slurptastic
Joined: 10.12.2008

Oct 7 @ 3:09 PM ET
from an amalgam of the analyses that you've posted, it seems that he could be a steal or will never play a game in the league.

i don't mind taking a gamble with the pick. going into the third round, you're going to get depth or get lucky. i'm not going to complain that they took a shot at a top 4 rather than fall back on a 7th or 8th type.

- RealityChecker

Nucker101
Vancouver Canucks
Location: Vancouver, BC
Joined: 09.26.2010

Oct 7 @ 3:10 PM ET
I like his videos and the things he says during the video except when it comes too projections. Dude is weak. Rely's way too much analytics.

"He is raw with all capital letters"

"A lot of work needs to be done especially defensively"

"far too soft infront of the net"

"For someone with great mobility, he was way to reliant on dumping pucks"

This is 2 minutes into the video

- manvanfan


I mean, that all sounds accurate based off of detailed other reports that I've read so far. He does definitely have a thing for dmen who are good at transition play so that explains why his ranking is higher than you'd expect after watching the scouting video.
Brooks_Light
Joined: 08.13.2015

Oct 7 @ 3:10 PM ET
If JD Burke likes this pick. What does that tell you. All you have to do is watch the Scouching video and you can see the guy skates like the wind. Never engages in any corner battles, rushes the puck up the ice to lose it a lot. Wave his stick at opponents and that's it.

"Made it a lot easier for players to go around him in the offensive zone"

- manvanfan


To be fair that's based on 7 games - so to think Scouching or anyone else can predict the outcome of this 18 year olds career is beyond asinine. A lot of the holes or issues he might have at that age are correctable. Also, you have to factor in who's going to be coaching and developing this kids raw talents for the next year or two in the Lilga even before he potentially comes over seas.
RealityChecker
Vancouver Canucks
Location: I stay away from the completely crazy rumours on the internet.I will occasionally debunk them-Eklund
Joined: 04.18.2010

Oct 7 @ 3:11 PM ET


It's the third round, almost every kid picked is going to have holes in their game. Better to draft for upside (as so many here have said) rather than safety – though as I read that doesn't even satisfy the loudest

- NewYorkNuck

it's cliche but true that in today's cap league, it's all about draft and develop.

we focus on draft but of equal importance is the development of these picks. i know that aquaman isn't shy about spending money (at least on the payroll) so i'm hopeful that they've set up as good a development program as possible.

i know that nucker would agree with me (so that automatically means that i'm probably wrong) but the team really should be spending more resources on the scouting and development side. this is where big money teams can really flex their advantage.
manvanfan
Vancouver Canucks
Location: MB
Joined: 01.21.2012

Oct 7 @ 3:11 PM ET
So you base your analysis off of one video and in the same breath openly mock DCT.

Wow, pretty high opinions I would say.

- Makita

Big Brother Makita to Marwood's rescue.
VANTEL
Joined: 07.03.2010

Oct 7 @ 3:11 PM ET
If he's 6'4" it definitely is. If he was 6 feet tall then I'd agree.
- Nucker101

When Petey was drafted he was 6'3 165 lbs . Now that is lanky
Makita
Referee
Vancouver Canucks
Location: #theonlyrealfan, BC
Joined: 02.16.2007

Oct 7 @ 3:11 PM ET
Guys this deep in the draft are taken as projects, for the most part, you look at their raw skills and then try to develop them. He’s obviously going to have a lot of holes in his game or he would’ve went in the first round.
- Pacificgem

This ^^^

Surprised by the immediate bust innuendos from our expect draftologist
Nighthawk
Vancouver Canucks
Location: Canuckville, BC
Joined: 01.09.2015

Oct 7 @ 3:11 PM ET
If you haven't watched the scouting video, you need too.

Says in the video Jurmo actively avoided physical contract from time to time.

- manvanfan

Big ice it’s wise to not take yourself out of position. Wait til he sees small ice before deciding.
NorthNuck
Vancouver Canucks
Location: Yellowknife, NWT
Joined: 05.30.2016

Oct 7 @ 3:11 PM ET
I like his videos and the things he says during the video except when it comes too projections. Dude is weak. Rely's way too much analytics.

"He is raw with all capital letters"

"A lot of work needs to be done especially defensively"

"far too soft infront of the net"

"For someone with great mobility, he was way to reliant on dumping pucks"

This is 2 minutes into the video

- manvanfan

The kid is 6'4" 200lbs and he said he's probably the best skating defenseman in the entire draft. Defensive lapses yes, but has the speed and hands to make up for it.

Worth a 3rd round pick imo
RealityChecker
Vancouver Canucks
Location: I stay away from the completely crazy rumours on the internet.I will occasionally debunk them-Eklund
Joined: 04.18.2010

Oct 7 @ 3:13 PM ET

- A_SteamingLombardi

i think that dart board needs a better bracket to hold it up.
Nucker101
Vancouver Canucks
Location: Vancouver, BC
Joined: 09.26.2010

Oct 7 @ 3:13 PM ET
To be fair that's based on 7 games - so to think Scouching or anyone else can predict the outcome of this 18 year olds career is beyond asinine. A lot of the holes or issues he might have at that age are correctable. Also, you have to factor in who's going to be coaching and developing this kids raw talents for the next year or two in the Lilga even before he potentially comes over seas.
- Brooks_Light


I don't think Scouching himself would say that he can accurately predict every kid's career lol. It's just nice to see some opinions from guys who actually watch these guys play a few full games, especially when they watch league games, a I feel like a lot of scouting sites/experts place way too much value on tournaments where things are more hectic for prospects with less chemistry, different roles than what they're used to, etc.

I think we're all just happy that they drafted a kid with legit upside instead of a defensive dman with limited skill.
Nighthawk
Vancouver Canucks
Location: Canuckville, BC
Joined: 01.09.2015

Oct 7 @ 3:14 PM ET
So you base your analysis off of one video and in the same breath openly mock DCT.

Wow, pretty high opinions I would say.

- Makita

😂😂
SlightlyOffside
Vancouver Canucks
Location: Ajax, ON
Joined: 01.25.2016

Oct 7 @ 3:14 PM ET
Guys this deep in the draft are taken as projects, for the most part, you look at their raw skills and then try to develop them. He’s obviously going to have a lot of holes in his game or he would’ve went in the first round.
- Pacificgem


I like the pick for a 3rd round potential / project. Mobile puck moving defensemen with good size. Might not make it to the NHL, but at least he has the tools to build on. Would have preferred a RHD to LHD, of course.
Nucker101
Vancouver Canucks
Location: Vancouver, BC
Joined: 09.26.2010

Oct 7 @ 3:14 PM ET
When Petey was drafted he was 6'3 165 lbs . Now that is lanky

- VANTEL


for sure, but I'd say that was extremely lanky, this kid is more "normal lanky"
manvanfan
Vancouver Canucks
Location: MB
Joined: 01.21.2012

Oct 7 @ 3:15 PM ET
To be fair that's based on 7 games - so to think Scouching or anyone else can predict the outcome of this 18 year olds career is beyond asinine. A lot of the holes or issues he might have at that age are correctable. Also, you have to factor in who's going to be coaching and developing this kids raw talents for the next year or two in the Lilga even before he potentially comes over seas.
- Brooks_Light

You are trying to predict what these players will be.

You have "raw talent" that you hope that a player unlocks sooner or later. Does this not sound a bit like Tryamkin?
Nucker101
Vancouver Canucks
Location: Vancouver, BC
Joined: 09.26.2010

Oct 7 @ 3:15 PM ET
I like the pick for a 3rd round potential / project. Mobile puck moving defensemen with good size. Might not make it to the NHL, but at least he has the tools to build on. Would have preferred a RHD to LHD, of course.
- SlightlyOffside


He potentially goes higher if he's a RHD.
neem55
Vancouver Canucks
Joined: 02.02.2012

Oct 7 @ 3:15 PM ET
6 foot 4, LHD, ranked 46 overall by Central scouting.
- Codes1087

Ya it seems like a great pick. 20th euro, 46th overall central scouting. Most ive read had him as a second rounder.
Nighthawk
Vancouver Canucks
Location: Canuckville, BC
Joined: 01.09.2015

Oct 7 @ 3:16 PM ET
The kid is 6'4" 200lbs and he said he's probably the best skating defenseman in the entire draft. Defensive lapses yes, but has the speed and hands to make up for it.

Worth a 3rd round pick imo

- NorthNuck

Easily
Nighthawk
Vancouver Canucks
Location: Canuckville, BC
Joined: 01.09.2015

Oct 7 @ 3:16 PM ET
I don't think Scouching himself would say that he can accurately predict every kid's career lol. It's just nice to see some opinions from guys who actually watch these guys play a few full games, especially when they watch league games, a I feel like a lot of scouting sites/experts place way too much value on tournaments where things are more hectic for prospects with less chemistry, different roles than what they're used to, etc.

I think we're all just happy that they drafted a kid with legit upside instead of a defensive dman with limited skill.

- Nucker101

Hire Scouch for our scouting team
Nucker101
Vancouver Canucks
Location: Vancouver, BC
Joined: 09.26.2010

Oct 7 @ 3:17 PM ET
This bit was from a Finnish guy who watches these guys play more regularly than most people:

One thing that Jurmo has to work on is his passing game in transition. Last season, he relied pretty heavily on his skating ability to create exits (which worked very well), but as he progresses to the pro ranks he’ll have to rely more on finding targets through layers on the breakout. He flashes this skill at times but I’d like to see it more consistently. The same goes for Jurmo’s patience with the puck. He was so good at February’s U20 tournament at manipulating forecheckers and maneuvering with the puck while pressured, but I’ve also seen him panic with the puck under duress."


So clearly he has the talent and tools, consistency and decision making is what needs to improve. That can come with age/maturity and proper development.

Hard not to like the pick.

Also, we need to note that this pick is more scrutinized than usual since it's our first pick in the draft lol. Doubt there would be this much discussion if the Canucks had a 1st and 2nd round pick as well.
Makita
Referee
Vancouver Canucks
Location: #theonlyrealfan, BC
Joined: 02.16.2007

Oct 7 @ 3:17 PM ET
Big Brother Makita to Marwood's rescue.
- manvanfan

What does Marwood have to do with this? Serious question mini?

My post was an observation of your comments regarding prospects that are scouted by professionals and you dismissing their reports because you watched a video, and also you mocked DCT for his drafts takes as if you are the true expert and only expert.

So again I ask WTF does Marwood have to do with my take on your posts.
CanuckDon
Vancouver Canucks
Location: Las Vegas
Joined: 08.05.2014

Oct 7 @ 3:17 PM ET
J.D. Burke
I'm honestly astounded by the fact that Joni Jurmo was even available to the #Canucks. Totally slipped my mind as an option because it was hard to imagine he'd be there.



I guess you have to root against the pick now

- Nucker101

Damn sounds like a great pick
Nighthawk
Vancouver Canucks
Location: Canuckville, BC
Joined: 01.09.2015

Oct 7 @ 3:18 PM ET
You are trying to predict what these players will be.

You have "raw talent" that you hope that a player unlocks sooner or later. Does this not sound a bit like Tryamkin?

- manvanfan

Not at all he doesn’t come with the attitude
Nighthawk
Vancouver Canucks
Location: Canuckville, BC
Joined: 01.09.2015

Oct 7 @ 3:20 PM ET
Antonio Stranges still on the board
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