Are you comparing Jones to Seabrook ?
- bennythehat

Yes. Only difference is Seabrook made it to 28 before falling off, and may have been the better player at his peak.

Jones is all flash, no substance. His skating is incredible, so people notice his carry-out ability, but miss the part where he spent the first 46 seconds of his shift being turnstiled in his end

How do we ever win any games with a top line like ours ?
Copp and Perreault must be carrying the team every night.
- bennythehat

Is that a serious question?
We win because of Hellebuyck being the strongest Hart trophy candidate this season.
We win because Ehlers and Copp have been able to power their own lines to success while the top line floundered.

Compare Corsi numbers with Connor vs. Laine with Scheifele and Wheeler. I think the numbers might surprise you.
- TheUltimateJet

I don’t want Laine with Scheifele and Wheeler. You’re ignoring the problem.
Scheifele can’t defend, and Wheeler has aged out of top line capability, at least with a Scheifele type

Yes. Only difference is Seabrook made it to 28 before falling off, and may have been the better player at his peak.

Jones is all flash, no substance. His skating is incredible, so people notice his carry-out ability, but miss the part where he spent the first 46 seconds of his shift being turnstiled in his end
- Rexypoo

In your opinion !

Is that a serious question?
We win because of Hellebuyck being the strongest Hart trophy candidate this season.
We win because Ehlers and Copp have been able to power their own lines to success while the top line floundered.
- Rexypoo

In your opinion.

I don’t want Laine with Scheifele and Wheeler. You’re ignoring the problem.
Scheifele can’t defend, and Wheeler has aged out of top line capability, at least with a Scheifele type
- Rexypoo

in Your opinion.

I don’t want Laine with Scheifele and Wheeler. You’re ignoring the problem.
Scheifele can’t defend, and Wheeler has aged out of top line capability, at least with a Scheifele type
- Rexypoo

I agree about Wheeler and that's why in all my line combinations, I have Ehlers on the line with Scheifele and Connor. I don't think Laine plays well with Scheifele or Ehlers. I actually think the best fit for him based on our current lineup construction would be to play with Wheeler, and whatever Center other than Scheifele is hot at that moment whether it be Roslovic, Stastny, Copp or whoever.

I don't think that Stastny will be the solution for Laine either. I see a hot and cold type of season for Stastny. There will be moments where he will be great for a period of 5-10 games, and then he will dissapear for 5-10 games.

Again just my opinions.

I am still on a high from the Jets landing Perfetti with our 10th pick. This kid will not disappoint.

So the press is saying that the Laine situation developed because he supposedly is not happy getting top-line minutes, yet the Jets this year will essentially have two top lines now that Stasny is here.

The irony of the situation is the if Perfetti performs in another year or two with the Jets as well as he did in the juniors, then Laine could not ask for a better setup man than this. This would all be happening when Laine is hitting his prime years. I think it would be a real shame to see Laine leave when he might have set up guy for a 50-60 goal season about to step up to the plate.

If he does go I think that the best match for him is definitely Florida and Barkov. Its probably at the top of his list.

In your opinion !
- bennythehat

No, we can easily track the decline and performance of both players for the last decade at least. It’s actually super easy.
The evidence is not my opinion, it’s what happened in reality.

In your opinion.
- bennythehat

No sh*t

in Your opinion.
- bennythehat

Again. Results.
On the list of least effective defensive players, Connor is 2nd and Scheifele is 7th.
The only thing one can use to argue against a Wheeler decline is total points. Everything else paints a crushing but inevitable picture for a 34 year old

I agree about Wheeler and that's why in all my line combinations, I have Ehlers on the line with Scheifele and Connor. I don't think Laine plays well with Scheifele or Ehlers. I actually think the best fit for him based on our current lineup construction would be to play with Wheeler, and whatever Center other than Scheifele is hot at that moment whether it be Roslovic, Stastny, Copp or whoever.

I don't think that Stastny will be the solution for Laine either. I see a hot and cold type of season for Stastny. There will be moments where he will be great for a period of 5-10 games, and then he will dissapear for 5-10 games.

Again just my opinions.
- TheUltimateJet

You’re asking too much of Ehlers with that top line. He’s quite good on D, but he can’t carry both of them. Connor and Scheifele need to be separated, and Connor needs to be sheltered.

I agree on Stastny. He could bounce back big, and be a perfect Laine-placating stop gap. Or, he can be old and even more in decline than last year

Good point. I think if you look back at it Pronger was a high risk aquisition at the time. Good prospect whos career was undetermined at the time. Blues (Keenan?) took a risk and took some heat for it for a while.
- 2.0

It's actually incredible how many transactions for star d-men Shanahan was involved with. First Stevens, then Pronger, then Coffey . . . and each in different stages of their career!

So true . . . Pronger was unproven at the time. Shanny was a fave of mine growing up and I remember being blown away that St. Louis would make a trade like that. And I remember Blues fans being absolutely furious!

Unfortunately, maybe that's the deal we can expect for Laine. (?) We can only hope that a risk v. reward trade works out as well as for the Jets as Shanahan for Pronger worked out for St. Louis.

First player/team that comes to mind is Bowen Byram out of Colorado. Doubt the Avs would ever do it, especially with Landeskog and Makar needing deals next season, Grubauer, also, etc., but . . .

It's actually incredible how many transactions for star d-men Shanahan was involved with. First Stevens, then Pronger, then Coffey . . . and each in different stages of their career!

So true . . . Pronger was unproven at the time. Shanny was a fave of mine growing up and I remember being blown away that St. Louis would make a trade like that. And I remember Blues fans being absolutely furious!

Unfortunately, maybe that's the deal we can expect for Laine. (?) We can only hope that a risk v. reward trade works out as well as for the Jets as Shanahan for Pronger worked out for St. Louis.

First player/team that comes to mind is Bowen Byram out of Colorado. Doubt the Avs would ever do it, especially with Landeskog and Makar needing deals next season, Grubauer, also, etc., but . . .
- Quillanrocks

Certainly Bowen Byram is a highly regarded prospect. However, I think I would rather us go to a more proven performer - if possible - and maybe it's not.

Names that I would rather we make a move for are Florida's Ekblad, The Jackets Werenski, the Islanders Pulock or the Flyers Sanheim/Myers. Depending on the player, of course it wouldn't be a one-for-one. Cernak and, dare I say, Sergachev, are out there as well, but who knows what TB is going to do. Probably sign both!

But I agree with your theory, grab a young gun, somewhat proven, with upside and a possible Jet for several years. Certainly IF Laine is dealt, we need a player, prospect and pick coming our way - unless the player and prospect knock our socks off.

Certainly the surprising act that Perfetti was available to them, and they were able to get Stastny for a song and dance, must have changed the Jets thinking from #2C to top-two defence.

You’re asking too much of Ehlers with that top line. He’s quite good on D, but he can’t carry both of them. Connor and Scheifele need to be separated, and Connor needs to be sheltered.

I agree on Stastny. He could bounce back big, and be a perfect Laine-placating stop gap. Or, he can be old and even more in decline than last year
- Rexypoo

I don't think I am asking enough of him. If he is not with Scheifele, he will get his 12 minutes a game under Maurice. I think with this lineup he at least has a chance to show off his max potential.

Certainly Bowen Byram is a highly regarded prospect. However, I think I would rather us go to a more proven performer - if possible - and maybe it's not.

Names that I would rather we make a move for are Florida's Ekblad, The Jackets Werenski, the Islanders Pulock or the Flyers Sanheim/Myers. Depending on the player, of course it wouldn't be a one-for-one. Cernak and, dare I say, Sergachev, are out there as well, but who knows what TB is going to do. Probably sign both!

But I agree with your theory, grab a young gun, somewhat proven, with upside and a possible Jet for several years. Certainly IF Laine is dealt, we need a player, prospect and pick coming our way - unless the player and prospect knock our socks off.

Certainly the surprising act that Perfetti was available to them, and they were able to get Stastny for a song and dance, must have changed the Jets thinking from #2C to top-two defence.
- grahamzky

Right now nothing would surprise me. Decisions still need to be made re: Roslovic and Niku, also. Maybe the Jets put aside their positional needs and they ship Laine somewhere for a boatload of decent to top notch prospects & picks, and then go out and find a way to package their own "potential" (Roslovic/Niku/draft picks) for a solid top 4 defenseman. (?) Perhaps swithch the order on those transactions which frees them up to trade Laine for the very best haul available. Who knows?

An established guy like the names you mentioned would be amazing as a return for Laine. I just think it's a hard move involving a winger, elite or otherwise, who has shown his warts the way he has. Fingers crossed I am wrong.

But Laine in a trade for Sergachev makes no sense given the cap situation that's in play there. No dollars for Sergy or Cirelli or Cernak in Tampa means they definitely don't have the scratch to afford Laine. To a lesser extent, I think the same goes for the Islanders and Pulock. (to the disappointment of many!)

Right now nothing would surprise me. Decisions still need to be made re: Roslovic and Niku, also. Maybe the Jets put aside their positional needs and they ship Laine somewhere for a boatload of decent to top notch prospects & picks, and then go out and find a way to package their own "potential" (Roslovic/Niku/draft picks) for a solid top 4 defenseman. (?) Perhaps swithch the order on those transactions which frees them up to trade Laine for the very best haul available. Who knows?

An established guy like the names you mentioned would be amazing as a return for Laine. I just think it's a hard move involving a winger, elite or otherwise, who has shown his warts the way he has. Fingers crossed I am wrong.

But Laine in a trade for Sergachev makes no sense given the cap situation that's in play there. No dollars for Sergy or Cirelli or Cernak in Tampa means they definitely don't have the scratch to afford Laine. To a lesser extent, I think the same goes for the Islanders and Pulock. (to the disappointment of many!)
- Quillanrocks

Trade him to Seattle next year for a boatload of draft picks. They could use a headline star with a cannon of a shot to keep the fans excited.

Right now nothing would surprise me. Decisions still need to be made re: Roslovic and Niku, also. Maybe the Jets put aside their positional needs and they ship Laine somewhere for a boatload of decent to top notch prospects & picks, and then go out and find a way to package their own "potential" (Roslovic/Niku/draft picks) for a solid top 4 defenseman. (?) Perhaps swithch the order on those transactions which frees them up to trade Laine for the very best haul available. Who knows?

An established guy like the names you mentioned would be amazing as a return for Laine. I just think it's a hard move involving a winger, elite or otherwise, who has shown his warts the way he has. Fingers crossed I am wrong.

But Laine in a trade for Sergachev makes no sense given the cap situation that's in play there. No dollars for Sergy or Cirelli or Cernak in Tampa means they definitely don't have the scratch to afford Laine. To a lesser extent, I think the same goes for the Islanders and Pulock. (to the disappointment of many!)
- Quillanrocks

Unless a three way trade is organized with Stamkos being a key piece to trade to a third team!

Trade him to Seattle next year for a boatload of draft picks. They could use a headline star with a cannon of a shot to keep the fans excited.
- jetsnation

We could figure something out with Seattle. Or the whole Seattle dynamic will shift the market around the league for players such as Laine and open up more opportunities

I don't think I am asking enough of him. If he is not with Scheifele, he will get his 12 minutes a game under Maurice. I think with this lineup he at least has a chance to show off his max potential.
- TheUltimateJet

You’re creeping closer and closer to the light

The Connor-Scheifele-Wheeler line has struggled more defensively than Laine has at any point in the last 4 years.

Not that that really matters, as you seem to have missed every Jets game in that time, and are basing your Laine review on what Leafs twitter says whenever his name is brought up next to Matthews
- Rexypoo

Nope. I'm in the Jets regional broadcast zone. Watch as many games as I can (close to 50% I'd say). Don't have twitter, just a set of eyes that see what is happening. So these observations are created my opinions, not social media. I also golf with some of the trainers who may provide some insight after a few soda's. I was lucky enough to get a very detailed play-by-play in the Scheiff vs Lowry fight.

Anyway, I would like to see the stats on Scheiff's poorer defensive performance. I am pretty sure that is not the case. Nonetheless, when does Laine jump over the boards? Chances are it is NEVER in the defensive zone. Offensive zone faceoffs, absolutely. That is just coaching 101 tho. Fear not Rexy, if/when he is moved, Chevy will very likely come out of the trade as the victor.

Trade him to Seattle next year for a boatload of draft picks. They could use a headline star with a cannon of a shot to keep the fans excited.
- jetsnation

A headline star with a cannon of a shot sounds like something the Jets could use...

Unless a three way trade is organized with Stamkos being a key piece to trade to a third team!

- TheUltimateJet

seriously though, I get that there is still plenty of time from now till next season but with so many teams up against the cap how is Tampa supposed to move out salary?

no one is interested ( rightfully so ) in Tyler Johnson with how his contract looks.

Nope. I'm in the Jets regional broadcast zone. Watch as many games as I can (close to 50% I'd say). Don't have twitter, just a set of eyes that see what is happening. So these observations are created my opinions, not social media. I also golf with some of the trainers who may provide some insight after a few soda's. I was lucky enough to get a very detailed play-by-play in the Scheiff vs Lowry fight.

Anyway, I would like to see the stats on Scheiff's poorer defensive performance. I am pretty sure that is not the case. Nonetheless, when does Laine jump over the boards? Chances are it is NEVER in the defensive zone. Offensive zone faceoffs, absolutely. That is just coaching 101 tho. Fear not Rexy, if/when he is moved, Chevy will very likely come out of the trade as the victor.
- bikeguy99

There are some who think that advanced stats are better than the eye test. I am not one of them. Some people can find some obscure stat to back up any comment that they make. I am not one of them. I base my comments on what I see and on decades of watching hockey. I really do not care what Laine's shooting percentage is on Fridays when the temperature is warmer than -4 C.

There are some who think that advanced stats are better than the eye test. I am not one of them. Some people can find some obscure stat to back up any comment that they make. I am not one of them. I base my comments on what I see and on decades of watching hockey. I really do not care what Laine's shooting percentage is on Fridays when the temperature is warmer than -4 C.
- bennythehat

100% Benny. I've coached, play three times a week (...or did until Coovid hit) and watch every Jet game (plus other NHL games). Advanced stats are a tool but are not at all gospel. Various opponent line matchups alone can throw the most advanced stats right out the window. So can a bad linemate or a less than optimum defensive pairing. Winning or losing a faceoff inside the zone is another big factor on both sides of the ice. Even the score in the game can also have an effect on the stats.

It only a tool. Very often I see a player play a great game and then look at the advanced stats after and it tells a very different story. The eye test is always correct. Advanced stats are definitely not.