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SuperSchennBros
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Mar 13 @ 9:26 AM ET
Bill Meltzer: Flyers Gameday: 3/13/21 vs. WSH
- bmeltzer

With the way everything had been going with the Flyers, especially defensively, I think now would be the time to call Tampa Bay and trade James van Riemsdyk for Luke Schenn.
Peter Richards
Philadelphia Flyers
Joined: 08.24.2019

Mar 13 @ 9:44 AM ET
Yea. I could understand waiting to see what Seattle has. What they load up on to sell. And who they take from us. And agree. I feel it’s been the same excuses for 10 years.
Peter Richards
Philadelphia Flyers
Joined: 08.24.2019

Mar 13 @ 9:46 AM ET
Isolating it down to being about losing one player, Niskanen, is simply not correct. The defensive issues are a team wide issue and not about one player.
I have a hard time understanding why some don't understand why Niskanen was not replaced. It just wasn't available. It's like going to grocery store for some diet coke and they're all out. Can't buy it if they don't have it.

- MJL


So do you give up after going to one store? Is that the only way to acquire Diet Coke?
MJL
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: Candyland, PA
Joined: 09.20.2007

Mar 13 @ 9:49 AM ET
So do you give up after going to one store? Is that the only way to acquire Diet Coke?
- Peter Richards


Keep in mind that in the analogy, Diet coke is not readily available. Not sure why I have to explain that but that's the gist of the analogy. Fletcher didn't replace Niskanen not because he didn't want to or didn't try to. It was because he couldn't.
Peter Richards
Philadelphia Flyers
Joined: 08.24.2019

Mar 13 @ 9:55 AM ET
Keep in mind that in the analogy, Diet coke is not readily available. Not sure why I have to explain that but that's the gist of the analogy. Fletcher didn't replace Niskanen not because he didn't want to or didn't try to. It was because he couldn't.
- MJL


I understand. Couldn’t and wouldn’t are different. When you say readily available are you only looking at fa. The price of a trade could’ve discouraged.
Dkos
Season Ticket Holder
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: Gritty, PA
Joined: 01.15.2007

Mar 13 @ 9:59 AM ET
My whole point was that the Flyers played much better against some of these teams with top stars last year cause they had a true #1 defense pairing and you're trying to tell me that he wouldn't make any difference. Well, then what's so different from last year to this year if that isn't a major factor? It's basically the same team with the exception of that and they look much worse than last year.
- Phillywhiteout


That number 1 defense pair didn’t do so well in the playoffs.
MJL
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: Candyland, PA
Joined: 09.20.2007

Mar 13 @ 9:59 AM ET
I understand. Couldn’t and wouldn’t are different. When you say readily available are you only looking at fa. The price of a trade could’ve discouraged.
- Peter Richards


Of course. How many teams do you thinking were looking to trade a top pairing RH defenseman?
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Joined: 08.21.2020

Mar 13 @ 10:03 AM ET
Keep in mind that in the analogy, Diet coke is not readily available. Not sure why I have to explain that but that's the gist of the analogy. Fletcher didn't replace Niskanen not because he didn't want to or didn't try to. It was because he couldn't.
- MJL

Wrong, he choose not to; because the price was high. Not going to fault him though he could have met someones price if he choose to.
Dkos
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Philadelphia Flyers
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Joined: 01.15.2007

Mar 13 @ 10:03 AM ET
Interesting that AV is going with Moose tonight.
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Mar 13 @ 10:04 AM ET
Batman and Robin will have the troops ready to roll. I look for an inspired complete game today.
Peter Richards
Philadelphia Flyers
Joined: 08.24.2019

Mar 13 @ 10:08 AM ET
Of course. How many teams do you thinking were looking to trade a top pairing EH defenseman?
- MJL


Not many but there were a couple trades. Again. It may have been and overpayment as well.

We all knew vegas had to trade one. Col trade zadorov. Isles and toews. ( ones I remember) The prices may have been high. Nisky retiring wasn’t as expected but fletch had a heads up. Some of our young guys maybe not playing as expected. Multiple reasons why it didn’t happen and I get that.

Fletch thought the team was good enough to compete. While they may be good enough to make the playoffs I still think something is missing and will have to be addressed before the team is ready to compete for the cup. Well unless it just one of those times where everything comes together. Is possible but not probable.
Dkos
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Philadelphia Flyers
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Mar 13 @ 10:11 AM ET
Batman and Robin will have the troops ready to roll. I look for an inspired complete game today.
- login


I’ll probably be sorry I asked, but who are Batman and Robin?
MJL
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: Candyland, PA
Joined: 09.20.2007

Mar 13 @ 10:16 AM ET
Not many but there were a couple trades. Again. It may have been and overpayment as well.

We all knew vegas had to trade one. Col trade zadorov. Isles and toews. ( ones I remember) The prices may have been high. Nisky retiring wasn’t as expected but fletch had a heads up. Some of our young guys maybe not playing as expected. Multiple reasons why it didn’t happen and I get that.

Fletch thought the team was good enough to compete. While they may be good enough to make the playoffs I still think something is missing and will have to be addressed before the team is ready to compete for the cup. Well unless it just one of those times where everything comes together. Is possible but not probable.

- Peter Richards


Nate Schmidt is a nice player but he is not top pairing and he is LH. Toews is also LH. Zadorov is not top pairing and is also LH.
Peter Richards
Philadelphia Flyers
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Mar 13 @ 10:18 AM ET
Nate Schmidt is a nice player but he is not top pairing and he is LH. Toews is also LH. Zadorov is not top pairing and is also LH.
- MJL

Nate and zad play both sides. Was just pointing out that teams were willing to trade.

Nate was a top pairing guy in vegas.

Nisky was not playing top pair on the team that traded him.
PT21
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: 木糠布丁, PA
Joined: 03.04.2008

Mar 13 @ 10:21 AM ET
From yesterday, since the topics seem to be the same...

But what is the difference exactly: are you saying that current team with Ekholm (and minus Gus, Ghost etc) is a contender?
- PT21



But this is ridiculous argument. One player is not going to fix this, but that doesn't mean you sit on your hands and do nothing!
- jd250


No, you misunderstand my objection to Ekholm. Would Ekholm make us better? Very likely. But would he take us to contender status? No. Imo, we need bigger stars in the team to reach that status, and the price you pay for Ekholm leaves us with less to offer to get those bigger stars.

That is my objection. Others have objected on 2 different grounds:
1. How it would scramble the ED protection list of Sanheim does not go to Preds.
2. Whether Ekholm is as good as you say.
MBFlyerfan
Philadelphia Flyers
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Joined: 03.17.2006

Mar 13 @ 10:22 AM ET
Wrong, he choose not to; because the price was high. Not going to fault him though he could have met someones price if he choose to.
- login



To me that falls in to the COULDN'T category.

Its silly to use your criteria because of course we could send them 5 first round picks and Voracek and offer to retain half his salary for the length of his deal. I bet that would have gotten a deal done somewhere.
Peter Richards
Philadelphia Flyers
Joined: 08.24.2019

Mar 13 @ 10:25 AM ET
To me that falls in to the COULDN'T category.

Its silly to use your criteria because of course we could send them 5 first round picks and Voracek and offer to retain half his salary for the length of his deal. I bet that would have gotten a deal done somewhere.

- MBFlyerfan

Wouldn’t. Not couldn’t.
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Mar 13 @ 10:26 AM ET
To me that falls in to the COULDN'T category.

Its silly to use your criteria because of course we could send them 5 first round picks and Voracek and offer to retain half his salary for the length of his deal. I bet that would have gotten a deal done somewhere.

- MBFlyerfan

Well to me that falls in the WOULDN'T category. Your example is silly. What is to high for one GM might not be too high for another GM. Fact is there were deals to be made and he didn't make them. Not couldn't he wouldn't.
MJL
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: Candyland, PA
Joined: 09.20.2007

Mar 13 @ 10:26 AM ET
From yesterday, since the topics seem to be the same...






No, you misunderstand my objection to Ekholm. Would Ekholm make us better? Very likely. But would he take us to contender status? No. Imo, we need bigger stars in the team to reach that status, and the price you pay for Ekholm leaves us with less to offer to get those bigger stars.

That is my objection. Others have objected on 2 different grounds:
1. How it would scramble the ED protection list of Sanheim does not go to Preds.
2. Whether Ekholm is as good as you say.

- PT21


Ekholm is just not worth the cost. It's that simple.
MJL
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: Candyland, PA
Joined: 09.20.2007

Mar 13 @ 10:28 AM ET
To me that falls in to the COULDN'T category.

Its silly to use your criteria because of course we could send them 5 first round picks and Voracek and offer to retain half his salary for the length of his deal. I bet that would have gotten a deal done somewhere.

- MBFlyerfan


I bet trading Couturier could fetch the Flyers a nice D man.
PT21
Philadelphia Flyers
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Mar 13 @ 10:30 AM ET
Ekholm is just not worth the cost. It's that simple.
- MJL


It really isn't simple at all. Its a subjective call which can go either way. As landros2 pointed out yesterday, there is also the benefit of not having your vulnerable future franchise goalie get strafed to consider.

One can take reasonable positions on either side without being wrong.
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Mar 13 @ 10:31 AM ET
https://www.inquirer.com/...BUOA565C5CZHLAWDOI6DJJ4JA

If the Flyers are considering a trade or signing, Fletcher brings it to Scott for final approval. WOW!!
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Mar 13 @ 10:32 AM ET
I bet trading Couturier could fetch the Flyers a nice D man.

- MJL

Better move him before he walks in free agency....
MJL
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: Candyland, PA
Joined: 09.20.2007

Mar 13 @ 10:36 AM ET
It really isn't simple at all. Its a subjective call which can go either way. As landros2 pointed out yesterday, there is also the benefit of not having your vulnerable future franchise goalie get strafed to consider.

One can take reasonable positions on either side without being wrong.

- PT21


No, I think it's pretty simple. So Ekholm is going to be the savior that stops the franchise goalie from getting strafed? Man, Ekholm is going to be more expensive than I thought if he is that good. He made really a silly point. Unless the player is a dominant NHL defenseman such as Hedman or a few others. One player is not going to effectively change the Flyers team wide defensive issues.
Hextall271
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: Ersson-Ville, NB, NB
Joined: 01.18.2007

Mar 13 @ 10:37 AM ET
Take your pick (or shovel)
- DaveofYork


Joking aside … this is a critical game for the team so as to stay within range of the playoffs. Lose in regulation, and we're heading down the path of lights out here..
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