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Bill Meltzer: Flyers Gameday: 3/13/21 vs. WSH - bmeltzer
With the way everything had been going with the Flyers, especially defensively, I think now would be the time to call Tampa Bay and trade James van Riemsdyk for Luke Schenn. |
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Yea. I could understand waiting to see what Seattle has. What they load up on to sell. And who they take from us. And agree. I feel it’s been the same excuses for 10 years. |
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Isolating it down to being about losing one player, Niskanen, is simply not correct. The defensive issues are a team wide issue and not about one player.
I have a hard time understanding why some don't understand why Niskanen was not replaced. It just wasn't available. It's like going to grocery store for some diet coke and they're all out. Can't buy it if they don't have it. - MJL
So do you give up after going to one store? Is that the only way to acquire Diet Coke? |
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MJL
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Location: Candyland, PA Joined: 09.20.2007
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So do you give up after going to one store? Is that the only way to acquire Diet Coke? - Peter Richards
Keep in mind that in the analogy, Diet coke is not readily available. Not sure why I have to explain that but that's the gist of the analogy. Fletcher didn't replace Niskanen not because he didn't want to or didn't try to. It was because he couldn't.
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Keep in mind that in the analogy, Diet coke is not readily available. Not sure why I have to explain that but that's the gist of the analogy. Fletcher didn't replace Niskanen not because he didn't want to or didn't try to. It was because he couldn't. - MJL
I understand. Couldn’t and wouldn’t are different. When you say readily available are you only looking at fa. The price of a trade could’ve discouraged. |
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Dkos
Season Ticket Holder Philadelphia Flyers |
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Location: Gritty, PA Joined: 01.15.2007
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My whole point was that the Flyers played much better against some of these teams with top stars last year cause they had a true #1 defense pairing and you're trying to tell me that he wouldn't make any difference. Well, then what's so different from last year to this year if that isn't a major factor? It's basically the same team with the exception of that and they look much worse than last year. - Phillywhiteout
That number 1 defense pair didn’t do so well in the playoffs.
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MJL
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Location: Candyland, PA Joined: 09.20.2007
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I understand. Couldn’t and wouldn’t are different. When you say readily available are you only looking at fa. The price of a trade could’ve discouraged. - Peter Richards
Of course. How many teams do you thinking were looking to trade a top pairing RH defenseman? |
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Keep in mind that in the analogy, Diet coke is not readily available. Not sure why I have to explain that but that's the gist of the analogy. Fletcher didn't replace Niskanen not because he didn't want to or didn't try to. It was because he couldn't. - MJL
Wrong, he choose not to; because the price was high. Not going to fault him though he could have met someones price if he choose to. |
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Dkos
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Location: Gritty, PA Joined: 01.15.2007
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Interesting that AV is going with Moose tonight. |
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Batman and Robin will have the troops ready to roll. I look for an inspired complete game today. |
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Of course. How many teams do you thinking were looking to trade a top pairing EH defenseman? - MJL
Not many but there were a couple trades. Again. It may have been and overpayment as well.
We all knew vegas had to trade one. Col trade zadorov. Isles and toews. ( ones I remember) The prices may have been high. Nisky retiring wasn’t as expected but fletch had a heads up. Some of our young guys maybe not playing as expected. Multiple reasons why it didn’t happen and I get that.
Fletch thought the team was good enough to compete. While they may be good enough to make the playoffs I still think something is missing and will have to be addressed before the team is ready to compete for the cup. Well unless it just one of those times where everything comes together. Is possible but not probable. |
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Dkos
Season Ticket Holder Philadelphia Flyers |
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Location: Gritty, PA Joined: 01.15.2007
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Batman and Robin will have the troops ready to roll. I look for an inspired complete game today. - login
I’ll probably be sorry I asked, but who are Batman and Robin? |
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MJL
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Location: Candyland, PA Joined: 09.20.2007
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Not many but there were a couple trades. Again. It may have been and overpayment as well.
We all knew vegas had to trade one. Col trade zadorov. Isles and toews. ( ones I remember) The prices may have been high. Nisky retiring wasn’t as expected but fletch had a heads up. Some of our young guys maybe not playing as expected. Multiple reasons why it didn’t happen and I get that.
Fletch thought the team was good enough to compete. While they may be good enough to make the playoffs I still think something is missing and will have to be addressed before the team is ready to compete for the cup. Well unless it just one of those times where everything comes together. Is possible but not probable. - Peter Richards
Nate Schmidt is a nice player but he is not top pairing and he is LH. Toews is also LH. Zadorov is not top pairing and is also LH.
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Nate Schmidt is a nice player but he is not top pairing and he is LH. Toews is also LH. Zadorov is not top pairing and is also LH. - MJL
Nate and zad play both sides. Was just pointing out that teams were willing to trade.
Nate was a top pairing guy in vegas.
Nisky was not playing top pair on the team that traded him. |
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PT21
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Location: 木糠布丁, PA Joined: 03.04.2008
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From yesterday, since the topics seem to be the same...
But what is the difference exactly: are you saying that current team with Ekholm (and minus Gus, Ghost etc) is a contender? - PT21
But this is ridiculous argument. One player is not going to fix this, but that doesn't mean you sit on your hands and do nothing! - jd250
No, you misunderstand my objection to Ekholm. Would Ekholm make us better? Very likely. But would he take us to contender status? No. Imo, we need bigger stars in the team to reach that status, and the price you pay for Ekholm leaves us with less to offer to get those bigger stars.
That is my objection. Others have objected on 2 different grounds:
1. How it would scramble the ED protection list of Sanheim does not go to Preds.
2. Whether Ekholm is as good as you say. |
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MBFlyerfan
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Location: Be nice from now on, NJ Joined: 03.17.2006
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Wrong, he choose not to; because the price was high. Not going to fault him though he could have met someones price if he choose to. - login
To me that falls in to the COULDN'T category.
Its silly to use your criteria because of course we could send them 5 first round picks and Voracek and offer to retain half his salary for the length of his deal. I bet that would have gotten a deal done somewhere.
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To me that falls in to the COULDN'T category.
Its silly to use your criteria because of course we could send them 5 first round picks and Voracek and offer to retain half his salary for the length of his deal. I bet that would have gotten a deal done somewhere. - MBFlyerfan
Wouldn’t. Not couldn’t. |
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To me that falls in to the COULDN'T category.
Its silly to use your criteria because of course we could send them 5 first round picks and Voracek and offer to retain half his salary for the length of his deal. I bet that would have gotten a deal done somewhere. - MBFlyerfan
Well to me that falls in the WOULDN'T category. Your example is silly. What is to high for one GM might not be too high for another GM. Fact is there were deals to be made and he didn't make them. Not couldn't he wouldn't. |
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MJL
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Location: Candyland, PA Joined: 09.20.2007
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From yesterday, since the topics seem to be the same...
No, you misunderstand my objection to Ekholm. Would Ekholm make us better? Very likely. But would he take us to contender status? No. Imo, we need bigger stars in the team to reach that status, and the price you pay for Ekholm leaves us with less to offer to get those bigger stars.
That is my objection. Others have objected on 2 different grounds:
1. How it would scramble the ED protection list of Sanheim does not go to Preds.
2. Whether Ekholm is as good as you say. - PT21
Ekholm is just not worth the cost. It's that simple.
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MJL
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Location: Candyland, PA Joined: 09.20.2007
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To me that falls in to the COULDN'T category.
Its silly to use your criteria because of course we could send them 5 first round picks and Voracek and offer to retain half his salary for the length of his deal. I bet that would have gotten a deal done somewhere. - MBFlyerfan
I bet trading Couturier could fetch the Flyers a nice D man.
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PT21
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Location: 木糠布丁, PA Joined: 03.04.2008
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Ekholm is just not worth the cost. It's that simple. - MJL
It really isn't simple at all. Its a subjective call which can go either way. As landros2 pointed out yesterday, there is also the benefit of not having your vulnerable future franchise goalie get strafed to consider.
One can take reasonable positions on either side without being wrong. |
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I bet trading Couturier could fetch the Flyers a nice D man.
- MJL
Better move him before he walks in free agency.... |
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MJL
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Location: Candyland, PA Joined: 09.20.2007
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It really isn't simple at all. Its a subjective call which can go either way. As landros2 pointed out yesterday, there is also the benefit of not having your vulnerable future franchise goalie get strafed to consider.
One can take reasonable positions on either side without being wrong. - PT21
No, I think it's pretty simple. So Ekholm is going to be the savior that stops the franchise goalie from getting strafed? Man, Ekholm is going to be more expensive than I thought if he is that good. He made really a silly point. Unless the player is a dominant NHL defenseman such as Hedman or a few others. One player is not going to effectively change the Flyers team wide defensive issues.
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Hextall271
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Location: Ersson-Ville, NB, NB Joined: 01.18.2007
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Take your pick (or shovel) - DaveofYork
Joking aside … this is a critical game for the team so as to stay within range of the playoffs. Lose in regulation, and we're heading down the path of lights out here.. |
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