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neem55
Vancouver Canucks
Joined: 02.02.2012

Jun 3 @ 9:51 PM ET
Lets stack up the prospects they've drafted(all rounds) against each other. I'll take Pettersson, Hughes, Boeser, Demko, Hog, Pod, Rathbone, etc over Tkachuk and co. all day
- Nucker101

It's not even close.
Reubenkincade
Location: BC
Joined: 11.18.2016

Jun 3 @ 9:52 PM ET
Lets stack up the prospects they've drafted(all rounds) against each other. I'll take Pettersson, Hughes, Boeser, Demko, Hog, Pod, Rathbone, etc over Tkachuk and co. all day
- Nucker101


If Benning doesn't have to take the blame for Jake, because he was only just brought in, then why does he get credit for Demko?
Load Management
Season Ticket Holder
Vancouver Canucks
Location: Billings Spit, BC
Joined: 09.22.2019

Jun 3 @ 9:53 PM ET
I get that, but didn't he get body before head? Also the main argument is that he charges(but he glides at the end though which is what you're taught since taking strides leading into a hit is dangerous since it usually leads into jumping into a hit and is technically a charging penalty as well) but they don't call that poop in the playoffs, remember Ferland when he wrecked the Canucks? Every other (frank)ing hit was a charge if you go by the book.

I feel like it was a hit that goes against the modern day "code" since he either should have let up, or stick checked him instead to try and actually save the goal, but I don't know if it's technically worthy of a multi-game playoff suspension for a first time offender.

Just my two cents, but I understand why people don't like the hit.

- Nucker101


There's a point in skating where you have accelerated to full speed and the extra strides slow you down, so you coast. He started his run at the far blue line was skating as fast as he could until the top of the circles. He coasted to line up the hit not to slow down. Textbook charge. I also didn't like the way he carried his speed and weight through it knowing full well he'd blow Evans up. Doesn't matter where point of contact was, it was extremely dangerous.

I like Scheifele and consider myself old school. This was malice on his part.
NewYorkNuck
Vancouver Canucks
Location: New York, NY
Joined: 07.11.2015

Jun 3 @ 9:53 PM ET
If Benning doesn't have to take the blame for Jake, because he was only just brought in, then why does he get credit for Demko?
- Reubenkincade


Interesting...
Nucker101
Vancouver Canucks
Location: Vancouver, BC
Joined: 09.26.2010

Jun 3 @ 9:55 PM ET
If Benning doesn't have to take the blame for Jake, because he was only just brought in, then why does he get credit for Demko?
- Reubenkincade


Demko and McCann were closer to where the Bruins first round pick was so he likely was more familiar with them
Nucker101
Vancouver Canucks
Location: Vancouver, BC
Joined: 09.26.2010

Jun 3 @ 9:55 PM ET
There's a point in skating where you have accelerated to full speed and the extra strides slow you down, so you coast. He started his run at the far blue line was skating as fast as he could until the top of the circles. He coasted to line up the hit not to slow down. Textbook charge. I also didn't like the way he carried his speed and weight through it knowing full well he'd blow Evans up. Doesn't matter where point of contact was, it was extremely dangerous.

I like Scheifele and consider myself old school. This was malice on his part.

- Load Management

That's fair, I just don't get why a suspension based on charging was so aggressively punished considering that charging is usually free game in the playoffs.

But I understand why the hit is disliked by the hockey community so I get your perspective
Codes1087
Vancouver Canucks
Joined: 09.24.2014

Jun 3 @ 9:56 PM ET
You all sounding like del zotto and cernak is like Lisa anne
Load Management
Season Ticket Holder
Vancouver Canucks
Location: Billings Spit, BC
Joined: 09.22.2019

Jun 3 @ 9:57 PM ET
If Benning doesn't have to take the blame for Jake, because he was only just brought in, then why does he get credit for Demko?
- Reubenkincade


Barzal!!!!!! Your Bruins can suck it.
Nucker101
Vancouver Canucks
Location: Vancouver, BC
Joined: 09.26.2010

Jun 3 @ 9:57 PM ET
Interesting...
- NewYorkNuck

Not at all lol
Nucker101
Vancouver Canucks
Location: Vancouver, BC
Joined: 09.26.2010

Jun 3 @ 9:57 PM ET
Barzal!!!!!! Your Bruins can suck it.
- Load Management

The guy they passed on 3 times

Imagine him on that team
NewYorkNuck
Vancouver Canucks
Location: New York, NY
Joined: 07.11.2015

Jun 3 @ 9:58 PM ET
There's a point in skating where you have accelerated to full speed and the extra strides slow you down, so you coast. He started his run at the far blue line was skating as fast as he could until the top of the circles. He coasted to line up the hit not to slow down. I also didn't like the way he carried his speed and weight through it knowing full well he'd blow Evans up. Doesn't matter where point of contact was, it was extremely dangerous.

I like Scheifele and consider myself old school. This was malice on his part.

- Load Management


+1

He made no effort on the puck (that was past the goal line when he hit him) and made absolutely no attempt to slow down. Sure, he stopped pushing, but there was no let up at all. I love hitting, I think there's a move away from responsibility on the player getting hit... but in this instance there's no way he could have braced himself for what Scheif threw at him. Scheif easily could have speed checked and hit him/sent a message without blowing him up
NewYorkNuck
Vancouver Canucks
Location: New York, NY
Joined: 07.11.2015

Jun 3 @ 9:59 PM ET
Not at all lol
- Nucker101


Poe's law is an adage of Internet culture stating that, without a clear indicator of the author's intent, it is impossible to create a parody of extreme views such that it cannot be mistaken by some readers for a sincere expression of the views being parodied.



Maybe Nucker's Law...?
Reubenkincade
Location: BC
Joined: 11.18.2016

Jun 3 @ 10:06 PM ET
Barzal!!!!!! Your Bruins can suck it.
- Load Management


I really hope Elias can get to Barzal's level.
Nucker101
Vancouver Canucks
Location: Vancouver, BC
Joined: 09.26.2010

Jun 3 @ 10:07 PM ET
Poe's law is an adage of Internet culture stating that, without a clear indicator of the author's intent, it is impossible to create a parody of extreme views such that it cannot be mistaken by some readers for a sincere expression of the views being parodied.



Maybe Nucker's Law...?

- NewYorkNuck


My law is that Benning has more hockey knowledge than anyone else in this comment section
Load Management
Season Ticket Holder
Vancouver Canucks
Location: Billings Spit, BC
Joined: 09.22.2019

Jun 3 @ 10:08 PM ET
That's fair, I just don't get why a suspension based on charging was so aggressively punished considering that charging is usually free game in the playoffs.

But I understand why the hit is disliked by the hockey community so I get you're perspective

- Nucker101


Thanks Buddy. I always appreciate your perspective as well. I think it was aggressively punished because of the amount of runway he took to land the hit. It's rare to see a Charge like that. I honestly think both players are lucky nothing worse happened because the risk was there in that type of play.

Not enough is said about Ehlers. Kid earned a lot of respect holding fort over an injured opponent like that.
Nucker101
Vancouver Canucks
Location: Vancouver, BC
Joined: 09.26.2010

Jun 3 @ 10:09 PM ET
I really hope Elias can get to Barzal's level.
- Reubenkincade

*Checks their post-season stats*


Nucker101
Vancouver Canucks
Location: Vancouver, BC
Joined: 09.26.2010

Jun 3 @ 10:10 PM ET
Thanks Buddy. I always appreciate your perspective as well. I think it was aggressively punished because of the amount of runway he took to land the hit. It's rare to see a Charge like that. I honestly think both players are lucky nothing worse happened because the risk was there in that type of play.

Not enough is said about Ehlers. Kid earned a lot of respect holding fort over an injured opponent like that.

- Load Management



Agreed about Ehlers, a 200 pound player falling on Evans head could've been a disaster, good on him and the linesman for shielding Evans from the scrum
NewYorkNuck
Vancouver Canucks
Location: New York, NY
Joined: 07.11.2015

Jun 3 @ 10:12 PM ET
My law is that Benning has more hockey knowledge than anyone else in this comment section
- Nucker101


And....? That means he should not be criticized? His word is gospel? He knows better than us, even if the results of the knowledge aren't bearing the fruit even he wants them to?
dbot
Vancouver Canucks
Location: Auckland -Burn it all down
Joined: 10.22.2008

Jun 3 @ 10:12 PM ET
Thanks Buddy. I always appreciate your perspective as well. I think it was aggressively punished because of the amount of runway he took to land the hit. It's rare to see a Charge like that. I honestly think both players are lucky nothing worse happened because the risk was there in that type of play.

Not enough is said about Ehlers. Kid earned a lot of respect holding fort over an injured opponent like that.

- Load Management


I give Scheiflie the benefit of the doubt here.

Of course he wanted to smash him, he was frustrated, his team was losing, he wanted to send a message, etc...it's hockey.

I don't think he intended to KO the kid though and feel he was honestly surprised by the outcome. In that sense, i don't think it was malicious.

I'd have been satisfied with a one game suspension and a routine fight to settle the score in game 3.
I think 4 is excessive and likely influenced by the fact the kid was stretchered off. Which i get.

If he skated off on his own, i don't think it'd be a 4 game suspension.

Nucker101
Vancouver Canucks
Location: Vancouver, BC
Joined: 09.26.2010

Jun 3 @ 10:13 PM ET
And....? That means he should not be criticized? His word is gospel? He knows better than us, even if the results of the knowledge aren't bearing the fruit even he wants them to?
- NewYorkNuck

Of course he can be criticized but as long as it's realistic criticism, every GM will make mistakes.
Load Management
Season Ticket Holder
Vancouver Canucks
Location: Billings Spit, BC
Joined: 09.22.2019

Jun 3 @ 10:13 PM ET
I really hope Elias can get to Barzal's level.
- Reubenkincade


Hughes is going to be a Norris candidate one day by feeding the sauce to Petey.
Nighthawk
Vancouver Canucks
Location: Canuckville, BC
Joined: 01.09.2015

Jun 3 @ 10:15 PM ET
Benning’s a complete idiot, he’s done well in the first round though, but beyond the first round, he’s struggled to produce NHL players/games. Treliving’s a moron too, but, he’s even produced more beyond the first round when compared to Benning since the 2015 draft.

Treliving 738 NHL GAMES

Benning 245 NHL GAMES

- Pacificgem

Nice math for lottery teams 😂👍

I still like Demko Hoglander Bones MDP going forward. More patience for a few others. Woo Lind Lockwood Macdonaugh etc

What counts is how the teams improve. Jury is out on both.
dbot
Vancouver Canucks
Location: Auckland -Burn it all down
Joined: 10.22.2008

Jun 3 @ 10:16 PM ET
via NHL.com

9. Vancouver Canucks

Kimelman -- Kent Johnson, C, Michigan (NCAA): A high-end playmaker with great vision and some flair to his game. He's elusive carrying the puck and strong enough to win battles along the walls. He also showed his versatility this season, excelling on the wing and at center in his first college season, and should get better as he gets stronger.

Morreale -- Brandt Clarke, D, Barrie (OHL): A mobile, puck-moving righthanded shot who is considered an excellent passer and playmaker with great vision. He scored 15 points (five goals, 10 assists) and was plus-6 in 26 games on loan with Nove Zamsky in the Slovak Extraliga, the top professional league in Slovakia.

Very brief google research of Johnson show's that he's from Vancouver and played for the Trail Smoke eaters in the BCHL.

i'm sold on sentimental reasons alone.
dbot
Vancouver Canucks
Location: Auckland -Burn it all down
Joined: 10.22.2008

Jun 3 @ 10:17 PM ET
Benning’s a complete idiot, he’s done well in the first round though, but beyond the first round, he’s struggled to produce NHL players/games. Treliving’s a moron too, but, he’s even produced more beyond the first round when compared to Benning since the 2015 draft.

Treliving 738 NHL GAMES

Benning 245 NHL GAMES

- Pacificgem



How many picks were used to get to these GP's results?
neem55
Vancouver Canucks
Joined: 02.02.2012

Jun 3 @ 10:20 PM ET
If Benning doesn't have to take the blame for Jake, because he was only just brought in, then why does he get credit for Demko?
- Reubenkincade

He takes the blame/credit for JV, OJ, Petey, Hughes, Podz, Boeser, Demko and every other pick he made. Fact his, way more of his picks pan out than most GMs in the league.
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