Michael Stuart: Senators to Select 10th Overall; What Should They Do with the Pick?

depends on what is available for 10th OA, below age 26, top 6 or top4D and on what additions OTT must add.

are Reinhart (buff) or Monahan worth 10OA+ who else could they target in that age range that is top 6/ top4D that is available that would not break the bank in addition to the 10th OA.

The uncertainty in this draft is exactly why you keep it and see what you get. A top 10 pick this year is far less valuable than it usually is and I highly doubt you will get anything top flight for it. Might as well pick one of the promising question marks left on the board at 10, because you're probably getting a solid player in that range. Another change is the whole 'pick the best player available' philosophy - I'd argue with so much uncertainty you might as well draft for organizational need first under these circumstances.

What's going to be the real crap shoot this year are rounds 4-7 - it's gonna be weird and no doubt we'll see more late draftee stars than usual.

Honestly I think it would only make sense to move it in a package for eichel just because I don’t believe there are any other number 1 C’s available, Reinhardt and monahan included.

But if the sens keep the pick one guy I would really like for my flames in that area is chaz Lucius. He started out the year projected top 5 but between the pandemic and an injury he only got in 12 USHL games. In that time he put up 13 goals and 18 points which may be a short sample size but is in the neighbourhood of previous high picks zegras and boldy in their draft years. That combined with him being a right shot center leads me to believe he would probably be in the conversation with eklund, beniers, johnson and guenther in that top end group of forwards had he played a full season

The draft projections are unreliable. In a normal year we see a preseason draft projection (one year out), a Christmas/New Year projection (six months out) and a post season final projection (one month out).

In the first projection the older kids dominate the top of the board (Oct to Jan birthdays). In the second projection some of the younger kids and kids playing in lesser leagues (Stuetzle) start to move up. In the final projection the youngest kids surge (Sanderson).

Almost all the early projections have stayed as they were year ago. A few changes in order but still the same dancers making up the top 15.

I think scouts need to be looking a birthdates especially for those July, August and September kids who did not have a chance to show what they got.

Hey Michael...what's with the logo? no 2D?

The uncertainty in this draft is exactly why you keep it and see what you get. A top 10 pick this year is far less valuable than it usually is and I highly doubt you will get anything top flight for it. Might as well pick one of the promising question marks left on the board at 10, because you're probably getting a solid player in that range. Another change is the whole 'pick the best player available' philosophy - I'd argue with so much uncertainty you might as well draft for organizational need first under these circumstances.

What's going to be the real crap shoot this year are rounds 4-7 - it's gonna be weird and no doubt we'll see more late draftee stars than usual.

I agree. Keep the pick.

Sportnet had a mock draft that had Ottawa take Lucius.

There's something I really like agoud Johnson and Guenther, but not sure they'll drop to 10th.

https://www.sportsnet.ca/...owen-power-first-overall/

I was really impressed by the Russian top line at U18. Like Canada, their best offensive players did not qualify for the draft this year. Fedor Svechkov who does qualify is a bull. He puts up good offensive numbers. But his main claim to fame is his 200' tenacious defensive game.

He is the top Russian available in this year's draft.

Honestly I think it would only make sense to move it in a package for eichel just because I don’t believe there are any other number 1 C’s available, Reinhardt and monahan included.

If ottawa traded for Eichel, the 10th overall pick would be like the 3rd most valuable piece ottawa would give up.........buff would want 2 of (stutzle, norris, sanderson, batherson) plus probably anohter 1st.

get Eichel out of your head man, it isn't happening.

think monahan, reinhart, dumba

those are realistic targets.

Not sure how much the Sens would need to add but I'd love the Sens to go after Marner.

To TOR:
- 10th overall
- Brannstrom
- Greig

To OTT:
- Marner

Let Marner play with a chip on his shoulder and come playoff time we eliminate the Leafs with Marner going 5g and 7a in 7 games with 2-2 in game 7.

Then he books a tee time under the name Dumbass for the next day at the Royal Ottawa Golf and Country Club

Not sure how much the Sens would need to add but I'd love the Sens to go after Marner.

To TOR:
- 10th overall
- Brannstrom
- Greig

To OTT:
- Marner

Let Marner play with a chip on his shoulder and come playoff time we eliminate the Leafs with Marner going 5g and 7a in 7 games with 2-2 in game 7.

Then he books a tee time under the name Dumbass for the next day at the Royal Ottawa Golf and Country Club
- riceroni

I like Marner. But if the Sens are going after a former Leaf...Kadri is my guy.

I want the Sens to be the nastiest piece of business in terms of teams that play a tenacious defensive game. And, I think Kadri will only cost you a 2nd.

I like Marner. But if the Sens are going after a former Leaf...Kadri is my guy.

I want the Sens to be the nastiest piece of business in terms of teams that play a tenacious defensive game. And, I think Kadri will only cost you a 2nd.
- spatso

Get em both

Honestly, I like Kadri too but C and RW and two areas of need for the Sens. I'd definitely do a 2nd for Kadri and hope he can be a good 2nd line C for us.

I just don't want us to be taking cheap shots at opponents. Let's play nasty but clean.

If ottawa traded for Eichel, the 10th overall pick would be like the 3rd most valuable piece ottawa would give up.........buff would want 2 of (stutzle, norris, sanderson, batherson) plus probably anohter 1st.

get Eichel out of your head man, it isn't happening.

think monahan, reinhart, dumba

those are realistic targets.
- sensarmy_11

I think you misunderstood me, my point was that he would be the only one that would make sense because I don’t believe those targets are worth 10 overall.

Also you guys are far from the only team I think about that could make sense for Eichel and until he’s moved its all just fun and games. Also with it sounding like NYR and LA not wanting to part with their top prospects either you might as well keep calling to see if you can get a deal done without having to include those guys.

trade it for Claude Giroux after phily pays his bonus. phily needs cap space and giroux goes home and only costs 4 mil

trade it for Claude Giroux after phily pays his bonus. phily needs cap space and giroux goes home and only costs 4 mil
- bosman

Giroux not even close to being a fit for where the Sens are at this time. I like Giroux. But he is long past his prime and he would bring nothing substantial to the roster. He is no longer a top 6 player and he is not a good fit for the bottom 6.

trading for marner who is grossly overpaid and kadri would be a worst mistake than the trade OTT did for Duchene, kadri is a bum and cancer and marner is overpaid by 3-4M, he not worth the contract or the assets you would need to give up to get.

trading for marner who is grossly overpaid and kadri would be a worst mistake than the trade OTT did for Duchene, kadri is a bum and cancer and marner is overpaid by 3-4M, he not worth the contract or the assets you would need to give up to get.
- Mithos

I like Marner. And, I agree with your assessment that he is badly overpaid. He could not fit in Ottawa because he would so badly distort the balance. I assume Chabot remains the top paid Dman at $8m for the next 5 years plus. I assume Brady becomes the top paid forward at $8.85x8. No way to fit Marner (or Eichel) into the scheme without causing great disruption in terms of what is being built.

Now Kadri at $4.5m for 1 year is a very different story. He brings passion and grit. He is an honest defensive player. He fits well within the character frame that Ottawa wants, big speed, good size, nasty edge. Obviously 3 strikes and you are out. But, I think whoever gets Kadri next is going to get a very grateful high end performer.

I like Marner. And, I agree with your assessment that he is badly overpaid. He could not fit in Ottawa because he would so badly distort the balance. I assume Chabot remains the top paid Dman at $8m for the next 5 years plus. I assume Brady becomes the top paid forward at $8.85x8. No way to fit Marner (or Eichel) into the scheme without causing great disruption in terms of what is being built.

Now Kadri at $4.5m for 1 year is a very different story. He brings passion and grit. He is an honest defensive player. He fits well within the character frame that Ottawa wants, big speed, good size, nasty edge. Obviously 3 strikes and you are out. But, I think whoever gets Kadri next is going to get a very grateful high end performer.
- spatso

What's the obsession wit Kadri? His peak years were in Toronto maxing out at 60 points. Why does this team need to add more 'nastiness'? Just seems like an odd choice considering what Ottawa already has and doesn't have.

10 overall pick is tricky. I don't think you will be moving the pick for a substantial player since it is a weaker, more unpredictable draft. Might be able to move the pick for something as part of a larger package but then you might disrupt some rebuilding momentum this team had going at the end of the year.

What's the obsession wit Kadri? His peak years were in Toronto maxing out at 60 points. Why does this team need to add more 'nastiness'? Just seems like an odd choice considering what Ottawa already has and doesn't have.
- Gord_Wilson_2.0

I might be entirely wrong. As you may have noticed I loved Pageau. He played with an edge and was a consistent disruption to the opposing team. He is doing that brilliantly for the Islanders. I still cheer for him.

I approved of the deal when they traded Pageau, they got a good return that diminished because the Islanders went deep in the playoffs.

Kadri is a similar type player to Pageau, he has a highly disruptive style, he can chip in with an offensive contribution and, most important, he can play head to head against the opponents top line.

The other reason I like Kadri is because he has always been first in line to stand up for his teammates and the Senators need someone else to step up, swallow their ugly pills and take some of the pressure off of Brady as being the only significant agitator in the line up.

I want this version of the Senators to be fast, skilled, tough and mean.

Depending on how the picks play out, I'd actually like to see them move up to get a player they really want - maybe offer the #10 pick and a 2nd round pick to San Jose to move up to #7, if a player like Guenther or Clarke is still on the board.

Otherwise, if they keep #10, it will most likely be one of Lucius, McTavish, Johnson, or Lysell... and I'd include Sillinger, due to their persistent habit of targeting 2nd-Gen NHL bloodlines.

I might be entirely wrong. As you may have noticed I loved Pageau. He played with an edge and was a consistent disruption to the opposing team. He is doing that brilliantly for the Islanders. I still cheer for him.

I approved of the deal when they traded Pageau, they got a good return that diminished because the Islanders went deep in the playoffs.

Kadri is a similar type player to Pageau, he has a highly disruptive style, he can chip in with an offensive contribution and, most important, he can play head to head against the opponents top line.

The other reason I like Kadri is because he has always been first in line to stand up for his teammates and the Senators need someone else to step up, swallow their ugly pills and take some of the pressure off of Brady as being the only significant agitator in the line up.

I want this version of the Senators to be fast, skilled, tough and mean.
- spatso

Fair assessment. Considering the price to acquire Kadri, it would be an interesting move.

The issue i see is that he's just another middle of the lineup centre which the Sens are quickly getting quite a few of with the likes of Norris, White, Tierny, Pinto, L. Brown, etc. Obviously things might change in the offseason and each of those players have different values of stock on this team/lineup and Kadri right now is better than most of the centres we have, but that could quickly change in a year or 2.

What's the obsession wit Kadri? His peak years were in Toronto maxing out at 60 points. Why does this team need to add more 'nastiness'? Just seems like an odd choice considering what Ottawa already has and doesn't have.
- Gord_Wilson_2.0

Have to agree - not to mention that Kadri clearly has no filter in terms of how his aggressiveness manifests. Contrast that with a guy like B. Tkachuk, who plays with about as much respect/character as humanly possible for a guy throwing around 300 hits/year. That's the kind of physical play you want, not a guy who gets suspended routinely for not understanding where the line is drawn. Plus, I think they have pretty solid #2/3 options in Norris/Pinto/Greig, so it's more a matter of someone who call really fill the #1 role until one of the prospects emerge as capable of handling the role.

I like Marner. And, I agree with your assessment that he is badly overpaid. He could not fit in Ottawa because he would so badly distort the balance. I assume Chabot remains the top paid Dman at $8m for the next 5 years plus. I assume Brady becomes the top paid forward at $8.85x8. No way to fit Marner (or Eichel) into the scheme without causing great disruption in terms of what is being built.

Now Kadri at $4.5m for 1 year is a very different story. He brings passion and grit. He is an honest defensive player. He fits well within the character frame that Ottawa wants, big speed, good size, nasty edge. Obviously 3 strikes and you are out. But, I think whoever gets Kadri next is going to get a very grateful high end performer.
- spatso

I love me some Brady. But his 50 points a year don't get him nearly 9 million. He's a top line forward for sure. But his generation hasn't turned into complete production. I think that puts him near the 6.5-7.5 for 6/8. That benefits us. Hopefully he doesn't push for a bridge.

Anyone else watching the WMC and seeing the chemistry between Henrique and Connor Brown?