It comes down to the best cap move for me. Giving up assets that cost cap space is not always a bad thing. If I’m giving up a 1st, Myers, NAK / Bunnaman, Patrick, and a prospect not named Brink or York I’m doing the deal for Jones. And Laughton is a no go as well.
- section32

Most likely Jones would cost you Konecny, one of Myers or Sanheim and a prospect.

My only question regarding Hamilton is that I don't think he is the right kind of partner for Provorov but that's really just speculation.
- MJL

Hamilton is constantly up ice and joining the forwards, especially on the rush , I think that’s a strength of Provorov as well. He has shown he’s very capable of joining the rush and adding offense 5v5. Watching Hamilton in the playoffs , he was very trigger happy on the power play , something this team could use. I don’t think we’ve seen the umbrella ran from the point at the top by a right shot, wonder how this would mesh with G.

Seth Jones will cost you both with a major cap hit and players you will have to trade away.

Questions fans have to answer is:

What do they trade to bring Jones to Philly?

How do they fit his monster contract that he will get under the cap?

Remember, UFA is a winning lottery ticket for Jones. This is his chance for a monster contract and he is cashing in.

Also, this is a winning lottery ticket for Columbus as well since they are looking to 'cash in' on his trade. They want a lot lot in return for him.

no idea, ask me in december. Id have no problem dealing him for Jones now. Jones is a much better player, and would make our team better, and doesn't even factor in what we have coming through the system.
- bradster

It won't be for just him it will involve other players. It makes the team better. Ok. Does it make them a cup contender?

Ivan - Jones
Braun - Ghost
Myers - hagg

That isn't any great shakes by any means. Even if you add York to the mix.

Every team has players coming through the system.

Hamilton is constantly up ice and joining the forwards, especially on the rush , I think that’s a strength of Provorov as well. He has shown he’s very capable of joining the rush and adding offense 5v5. Watching Hamilton in the playoffs , he was very trigger happy on the power play , something this team could use. I don’t think we’ve seen the umbrella ran from the point at the top by a right shot, wonder how this would mesh with G.
- ClaudeFather

That's my point. One of the best parts of Provorov's game that we haven't been getting due to the situation is his 5 on 5 offense and ability to join the rush and fill holes and score. Same with Hamilton. I don't know if that mix works. Ideally Hamilton would be on a different pairing but them we need another RH shot or a D man who can play the right side with Provorov. Sanheim can play with Hamilton.
As far as the PP is concerned, Hamilton is an upgrade but you make a good point with Hamilton being a RH shot.

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- ptards

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Seth Jones will cost you both with a major cap hit and players you will have to trade away.

Questions fans have to answer is:

What do they trade to bring Jones to Philly?

How do they fit his monster contract that he will get under the cap?



Remember, UFA is a winning lottery ticket for Jones. This is his chance for a monster contract and he is cashing in.



Also, this is a winning lottery ticket for Columbus as well since they are looking to 'cash in' on his trade. They want a lot lot in return for him.
- Captain_Ahab

Remember that the Kraken’s will have a pick from one of JVR, Ghost, or Jake. That’s some cap relief right there.

If we trade a 1st, one of Myers/Sanhein, NAK/ Bunnaman, and Patrick plus a prospect the numbers work out fine. Even if it’s Konecny instead of Patrick and NAK/Bunnaman the numbers will work.

It won't be for just him it will involve other players. It makes the team better. Ok. Does it make them a cup contender?

Ivan - Jones
Braun - Ghost
Myers - hagg

That isn't any great shakes by any means. Even if you add York to the mix.

Every team has players coming through the system.
- hello it's me 2050

I dont think that makes them a cup contender, but i also think there will be more moves than that. I think he will be able to trade ghost before the season starts if not taken by seattle.

You have to make multiple moves to get into contender status. Tampa had to add the right players, washington had to add the right players.

If the Flyers really want to make a big jump, they need to be in on either Jones or Hamilton. They are difference makers as players. Flyers are rumored to be pursuing Matt Dumba but I'm not as high on him but I don't know him as well as the others. Martinez is a very good player but he is aged. I'm not against that short term stop gap approach though if they can't get one of the top players. Have to get the right term though.
- MJL

I understand where you are going, but I have a problem with both Hamilton and Jones. Hamilton in my opinion is a great offensive defenseman and someone who can immediately make our PP better. However he is soft, soft in his own end, soft around his own net. You saw in this year's playoffs especially, when Carolina played Tampa, Hamilton was not a difference maker. Since I believe the Flyers need to get a lot tougher to play against, I rather the Flyers spend the boatload of money it will take for Hamilton on other players that fit better. One the other side, I really don't think Jones is that good. He's kind of a Meh defender and he does not wow me offensively, and I really don't think he makes the Flyers tougher to play against.

Matt Dumba is a good player, but by himself will not be a difference maker. I can see the Flyers connection because Fletcher drafted and developed him in Minnesota. However I must go back to my personal litmus test, does Dumba make the Flyers tougher to play against. Can't Sanheim do what Dumba does already?

Alec Martinez is an experienced, tough and proven champion both with LA and possibly with Vegas. I agree I would not spend too much for him, but something like 3 years at $4M is smart money to spend on him. It goes back to what I said earlier, I would prefer the Flyers get 2 tough, proven, legitimate top 4 Dmen (RHS or LHS) in the $4M per range, versus spending $8M+ on Hamilton or Jones for longer terms.

That's my point. One of the best parts of Provorov's game that we haven't been getting due to the situation is his 5 on 5 offense and ability to join the rush and fill holes and score. Same with Hamilton. I don't know if that mix works. Ideally Hamilton would be on a different pairing but them we need another RH shot or a D man who can play the right side with Provorov. Sanheim can play with Hamilton.
As far as the PP is concerned, Hamilton is an upgrade but you make a good point with Hamilton being a RH shot.
- MJL

Yea it does seem like Jones would probably be more of a fit for the Provorov pairing, as to what is best for the team I don’t know. Like you said, if we did get Hamilton we probably still need a partner for Provorov. Should be a busy off season.

Remember that the Kraken’s will have a pick from one of JVR, Ghost, or Jake. That’s some cap relief right there.

If we trade a 1st, one of Myers/Sanhein, NAK/ Bunnaman, and Patrick plus a prospect the numbers work out fine. Even if it’s Konecny instead of Patrick and NAK/Bunnaman the numbers will work.
- section32

The Krakken also have a pick of a number of players with low cap hits. No guarantee they take one of those 3 players.

I'm hoping for Alex Martinez or Savard
- bradster

I could see chuck going hard for Seth. Get his top pair in order not the same but similar to him signing suter. After in ufa. Larson savants and dougie. Outside chance of Montour and Barrie.

Other trades. Risto. Zadorov.

Something crazy. Jake plus for doughty.

Seth Jones will cost you both with a major cap hit and players you will have to trade away.

Questions fans have to answer is:

What do they trade to bring Jones to Philly?

How do they fit his monster contract that he will get under the cap?

Remember, UFA is a winning lottery ticket for Jones. This is his chance for a monster contract and he is cashing in.

Also, this is a winning lottery ticket for Columbus as well since they are looking to 'cash in' on his trade. They want a lot lot in return for him.
- Captain_Ahab

Jones is not a UFA this summer. His current contract, which has one season to run before he can become a UFA, wouldn't take a ton of cap management restructuring to fit in at $5.4 million. The bigger issue would be to manage the cap in 2022-23 and beyond when his extension would be in effect. But the Flyers would have until just before opening night of 2022-23 to sort that part out.

Remember that the Kraken’s will have a pick from one of JVR, Ghost, or Jake. That’s some cap relief right there.

If we trade a 1st, one of Myers/Sanhein, NAK/ Bunnaman, and Patrick plus a prospect the numbers work out fine. Even if it’s Konecny instead of Patrick and NAK/Bunnaman the numbers will work.
- section32

Seattle doesn't have to take any of the guys mentioned.

So you want to trade quantity for Jones. Don't you think at least 1 team will beat that fair offer you suggest?

I understand where you are going, but I have a problem with both Hamilton and Jones. Hamilton in my opinion is a great offensive defenseman and someone who can immediately make our PP better. However he is soft, soft in his own end, soft around his own net. You saw in this year's playoffs especially, when Carolina played Tampa, Hamilton was not a difference maker. Since I believe the Flyers need to get a lot tougher to play against, I rather the Flyers spend the boatload of money it will take for Hamilton on other players that fit better. One the other side, I really don't think Jones is that good. He's kind of a Meh defender and he does not wow me offensively, and I really don't think he makes the Flyers tougher to play against.


- jd250

I don't think that is accurate for either player. Both are solid in their own end. Both can at times be dominant. Both would significantly upgrade the Flyers as a team.

Alec Martinez is an experienced, tough and proven champion both with LA and possibly with Vegas. I agree I would not spend too much for him, but something like 3 years at $4M is smart money to spend on him. It goes back to what I said earlier, I would prefer the Flyers get 2 tough, proven, legitimate top 4 Dmen (RHS or LHS) in the $4M per range, versus spending $8M+ on Hamilton or Jones for longer terms.
- jd250

It's really tough to guage the market with the flat cap. There are going to be players left out or having to take a low deal due to the situation. I doubt Martinez will be one of those players. The question I have, is why would Martinez take a deal like that to play for the Flyers? At his age, if he takes a deal like that, it's far more likely to be with a team that he feels is ready to contend now.

I could see chuck going hard for Seth. Get his top pair in order not the same but similar to him signing suter. After in ufa. Larson savants and dougie. Outside chance of Montour and Barrie.

Other trades. Risto. Zadorov.

Something crazy. Jake plus for doughty.
- Peter Richards

Hasn't Dought said he wants to win? So why would he waive to come here? poop Kings will be contenders before the flyers!!!! His contract is very bad.

Jones is not a UFA this summer. His current contract, which has one season to run before he can become a UFA, wouldn't take a ton of cap management restructuring to fit in at $5.4 million. The bigger issue would be to manage the cap in 2022-23 and beyond when his extension would be in effect. But the Flyers would have until just before opening night of 2022-23 to sort that part out.
- bmeltzer

The other issue is he told Columbus he wants to test free agency and won't re-sign. Is that just to get out of Columbus or is that with any team he is trade to?

Remember that the Kraken’s will have a pick from one of JVR, Ghost, or Jake. That’s some cap relief right there.

If we trade a 1st, one of Myers/Sanhein, NAK/ Bunnaman, and Patrick plus a prospect the numbers work out fine. Even if it’s Konecny instead of Patrick and NAK/Bunnaman the numbers will work.
- section32

Not necessarily. They could also go with NAK, Braun, and a few others. Its my worst nightmare if they go with what many have predicted and they take Braun.

Not necessarily. They could also go with NAK, Braun, and a few others. Its my worst nightmare if they go with what many have predicted and they take Braun.
- MBFlyerfan

The GM will then panic and get bent over big time at least once. Though he will know beforehand what will go down and who they take.

I hope they do take a lesser guy for pure entertainment value.

Hasn't Dought said he wants to win? So why would he waive to come here? poop Kings will be contenders before the flyers!!!! His contract is very bad.
- hello it's me 2050

we know. everyone will be contenders before the flyers!!!!1

You're hoping Seattle takes a bad contract. I hope they do as well. But that still is not enough cap space.

Seattle can very easily draft NAK simply because he is younger and cheaper. Vegas picked Cousins from the Flyers for similar reasons.

Myers has low trade value. He was a healthy scratch last season and turns 25 next year. He is no longer considered a prospect. Still not giving up on him, but his value is low. His cap hit is only $2.5.

Patrick also has low trade value as well as a low cap hit.

Bunnaman has low value and a low cap hit.

Flyers need Konecny. He and Farabee only the only young players that have proven capable of hitting 20 goals for them. The next youngest is Hayes and he is already 29.

Plus, Farabee is a RFA next summer. If he hits the 20 goal mark next season, he will see a major pay increase.

Konecny had 2 20 goal seasons in a row and that got him a new contract with a $5.5 cap hit.

Farabee can see a similar contract next summer if he hits 20 again.

Currently, Farabee is a $925,000. So a increase to $5.5 would affect the Flyers cap situation in a big way.

Plus, what does Carter Hart get this summer with his pay increase as well?
He struggled. But he will see a increase in cap hit.

You're hoping Seattle takes a bad contract. I hope they do as well. But that still is not enough cap space.

Seattle can very easily draft NAK simply because he is younger and cheaper. Vegas picked Cousins from the Flyers for similar reasons.

Myers has low trade value. He was a healthy scratch last season and turns 25 next year. He is no longer considered a prospect. Still not giving up on him, but his value is low. His cap hit is only $2.5.

Patrick also has low trade value as well as a low cap hit.

Bunnaman has low value and a low cap hit.

Flyers need Konecny. He and Farabee only the only young players that have proven capable of hitting 20 goals for them. The next youngest is Hayes and he is already 29.

Plus, Farabee is a RFA next summer. If he hits the 20 goal mark next season, he will see a major pay increase.

Konecny had 2 20 goal seasons in a row and that got him a new contract with a $5.5 cap hit.

Farabee can see a similar contract next summer if he hits 20 again.

Currently, Farabee is a $925,000. So a increase to $5.5 would affect the Flyers cap situation in a big way.

Plus, what does Carter Hart get this summer with his pay increase as well?
He struggled. But he will see a increase in cap hit.
- Captain_Ahab

vegas took bellamare.

Remember that the Kraken’s will have a pick from one of JVR, Ghost, or Jake. That’s some cap relief right there.

If we trade a 1st, one of Myers/Sanhein, NAK/ Bunnaman, and Patrick plus a prospect the numbers work out fine. Even if it’s Konecny instead of Patrick and NAK/Bunnaman the numbers will work.
- section32

I honestly think the Jones trade talk is crazy and I hope the Flyers avoid it like the plague. Right now Jones is coming off a contract that paid him $5.4M. What do you think his next contract will be? I have to think its going to be something like $8M x 6 years. Do we really want to tie up this amount of money on Jones? Never mind the ton of assets we will spend to trade for him. I understand Jones is a good player and a 4 time all-star, and will get you 45-50 points per year which is good production. But is this what the Flyers really need at this point? Does it make them tougher to play against? I'm still in the camp of getting two top 4 Dmen that understand how to play in their own end and make a good outlet pass, versus getting one 50pt Dman that is soft in his own end.

LeBrun linking the Flyers to Eichel apparently.

Seattle doesn't have to take any of the guys mentioned.

So you want to trade quantity for Jones. Don't you think at least 1 team will beat that fair offer you suggest?
- hello it's me 2050

I personally think Konecny is the difference maker. It would be nice to be able to trade Patrick since he allegedly wants out. But I’m not holding my breathe. And while they don’t have to take any of those, they could be “induced” to do so. And some prognosticators have zeroed in on JVR as the likely choice.