Slump Buster
Buffalo Sabres |
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Location: I root for draft picks but not the team, apparently, NY Joined: 10.24.2006
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I don't get why Anaheim is considering gutting their future to acquire Jack.
That team is about as far away from contending as the Sabres are.
I mean if they want to send
* Zegras
* 3-OA '21
* Comtois (or Tarry + Jones)
I'd certainly take it, but man I wouldn't want to do it if I were them.
They finished with 6 more points than the Sabres, a full 20 points behind qualifying for the playoffs.
In no way does Jack come close to closing that gap. - IonSabres
Easy - it's the same reason we didn't stay the course 5 years ago. There isn't any patience because people are sick of losing.
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Buff36
Buffalo Sabres |
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Joined: 10.13.2019
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Here's why it was said or "leaked"
The Sabres are softening the blow for a pathetic Eichel return so that the shiny #3 overall pick + Troy freaking Terry and a cap dump doesn't look like the absolute joke of a return for Eichel it is - sbroads24
this is completely plausible |
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Powerslave
Buffalo Sabres |
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Location: Arriving Somewhere But Not Here Joined: 02.10.2011
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If they fired the bad scouts and kept the good scouts, then why weren't listening to the good scouts all along? - Lunaion
I don't know. Maybe because you can't really judge a draft right away. It takes a few years?
I'm not sticking up for the organization as a whole, I just have no issue with them firing half a scouting department that really produced very little, when it seems that every other team in the league finds these second, third and fourth round gems. |
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kingcong39
Buffalo Sabres |
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Location: albany, NY Joined: 02.21.2007
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Sure, but 90-95% of the players that are in the league were drafted at one point or the other.
Also in a flat cap world, building out a roster with talented players on ELC’s is a must.
Unless your Vegas or Tampa and get good players at a 25% discount due to state tax laws, in Tampa’s case going $15M over the cap.
Do franchises overrate their prospect pools ? Sure I can accept that.
However I don’t blame them for doing so - Pegullaville
Let's use this example as it's pertinent to the topic at hand: Chances Zegras, Drysdale, or any of the Ducks prospects turn out to be as good as Eichel? |
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Wetbandit1
Vegas Golden Knights |
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Location: Unpopular opinion (i think): The best Die Hard movie is the 4th one- Live free or Die Hard -jdfitz7, NY Joined: 10.07.2010
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Close. You’re thinking of John Hancock which was Herbies Great Great Grandpa. - c1067
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this is completely plausible - Michael Pachla
This would devastatingly bad for the league. Hockey in buffalo is suffering and that is detrimental to the success of the league as a whole.
Trading jack will certainly sour even more fans, losing the trade will leave them with what as a fan base.
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DirtyDan
Buffalo Sabres |
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Location: Why aren't more people interrigent? Rike Me? , ON Joined: 02.03.2021
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i don't know that we had bad amateur scouts considering how some of these draft picks are starting to look.. but whoever sold botts on frolik needs to be fired - SabresFaninIndiana
it was a fourth round pick.... our pk was horrid. Get over it.
Bah Gawd
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sbroads24
Buffalo Sabres |
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Location: We are in 30th place. It's 2017 , NY Joined: 02.12.2012
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Let's use this example as it's pertinent to the topic at hand: Chances Zegras, Drysdale, or any of the Ducks prospects turn out to be as good as Eichel? - kingcong39
I'll take it a step further-
Chances any of Zegras, Drysdale, Pick #3, are 75% as good as Eichel within 3 years? I'd say slim
Therefore getting two of the above is minimum for me to deal Eichel |
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SoCalPucks
San Jose Sharks |
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Location: Ice-O-Plex, CA Joined: 03.20.2012
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Let's use this example as it's pertinent to the topic at hand: Chances Zegras, Drysdale, or any of the Ducks prospects turn out to be as good as Eichel? - kingcong39
Think about how static the list of the top 10 in the NHL has been for the last 3-5 years. You see the same names year after year despite 31 teams drafting hundreds of prospects each year. Eichel is on that list and, given better circumstances, will be for years to come. I say odds are less than 5% that any players I've heard linked to him ever equal his talent.
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I don't know. Maybe because you can't really judge a draft right away. It takes a few years?
I'm not sticking up for the organization as a whole, I just have no issue with them firing half a scouting department that really produced very little, when it seems that every other team in the league finds these second, third and fourth round gems. - Powerslave
That's the contradiction here. If you can't judge JB's drafts yet, then how can you say they produced very little?
A rookie GM, with no AGM's, and a skeleton staff isn't something I can defend.
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IonSabres
Buffalo Sabres |
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Location: I said that months ago, keep up!, FL Joined: 03.10.2013
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I'm not sure if there's a tendency to drastically overrate the worth of picks and prospects, or if Buffalo fans just have a version of abused spouse syndrome after years of losing, but Eichel is straight up a top twenty talent in the NHL. Possibly even top 5 on the right team in my opinion. You can build a team around a talent like him. Zegras, Drysdale, and even Byfield are prospects. You hope they might become that, but odds are they will never be that good. Talents like Eichel are very, very rare. - SoCalPucks
This would be a relevant post if the trade proposed was 1:1.
But it was a 3:1.
The context of the post was gutting your future to win now.
Of course we know Jack is currently better....10+ wins better when you consider they would likely be trading their current top scorer in the 3:1 deal?
I don't think so. |
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Buff36
Buffalo Sabres |
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Joined: 10.13.2019
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What if it's
Anaheim: Eichel
Sabres: 3, Drysdale, Comtois |
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Pegullaville
Buffalo Sabres |
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Location: Toronto Joined: 03.16.2011
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Let's use this example as it's pertinent to the topic at hand: Chances Zegras, Drysdale, or any of the Ducks prospects turn out to be as good as Eichel? - kingcong39
Slim to none.
However with the current composition of the Ducks roster they may be better off keeping Zegras and Drysdale and 3rd overall and staying the course.
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Pegullaville
Buffalo Sabres |
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Location: Toronto Joined: 03.16.2011
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I'll take it a step further-
Chances any of Zegras, Drysdale, Pick #3, are 75% as good as Eichel within 3 years? I'd say slim
Therefore getting two of the above is minimum for me to deal Eichel - sbroads24
I agree.
I just don’t think we will |
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buffalofan19
Buffalo Sabres |
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Location: Wonderful things can happen when you sow seeds of distrust in a garden full of (bum)holes Joined: 07.01.2007
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This would devastatingly bad for the league. Hockey in buffalo is suffering and that is detrimental to the success of the league as a whole.
Trading jack will certainly sour even more fans, losing the trade will leave them with what as a fan base. - Carubba-Kaleta
When you look at the actual numbers, versus ratings, we Buffalo fans vastly overrate our importance to the NHL. If we were that important, we would be getting the max number of national TV games every year, regardless of our record. We don't, nor did we even when the Sabres were really good.
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jdfitz77
Buffalo Sabres |
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Location: buffalo, NY Joined: 05.21.2007
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What if it's
Anaheim: Eichel
Sabres: 3, Drysdale, Comtois - Buff36
I’d want their unprotected 2022 1st also |
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SoCalPucks
San Jose Sharks |
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Location: Ice-O-Plex, CA Joined: 03.20.2012
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This would be a relevant post if the trade proposed was 1:1.
But it was a 3:1.
The context of the post was gutting your future to win now.
Of course we know Jack is currently better....10+ wins better when you consider they would likely be trading their current top scorer in the 3:1 deal?
I don't think so. - IonSabres
That's not "mortgaging their future" and it doesn't mean they need to win now. Eichel is 24. This is absurd.
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IonSabres
Buffalo Sabres |
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Location: I said that months ago, keep up!, FL Joined: 03.10.2013
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Let's use this example as it's pertinent to the topic at hand: Chances Zegras, Drysdale, or any of the Ducks prospects turn out to be as good as Eichel? - kingcong39
Who said those guys would be better than Jack 1:1?
Is Jack better than say:
Eklund/Guenther
And
Zegras
And
Comtois
That is the question. |
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DirtyDan
Buffalo Sabres |
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Location: Why aren't more people interrigent? Rike Me? , ON Joined: 02.03.2021
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What if it's
Anaheim: Eichel
Sabres: 3, Drysdale, Comtois - Buff36
Would need another piece but tis intriguing.
Dahlin, Power, Drysdale, Joki on the backend
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homiedclown
Buffalo Sabres |
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Location: We want 1, FL Joined: 02.24.2008
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I’d want their unprotected 2022 1st also - jdfitz77
we know
you have said this many times |
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When you look at the actual numbers, versus ratings, we Buffalo fans vastly overrate our importance to the NHL. If we were that important, we would be getting the max number of national TV games every year, regardless of our record. We don't, nor did we even when the Sabres were really good. - buffalofan19
They don't give us national games cause we suck and no one else wants to see us in addition in buffalo they used to watch no matter what. |
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IonSabres
Buffalo Sabres |
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Location: I said that months ago, keep up!, FL Joined: 03.10.2013
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What if it's
Anaheim: Eichel
Sabres: 3, Drysdale, Comtois - Buff36
I'd consider it IF Sam returned Vilardi, Turcotte or Kupari |
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IonSabres
Buffalo Sabres |
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Location: I said that months ago, keep up!, FL Joined: 03.10.2013
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Slim to none.
However with the current composition of the Ducks roster they may be better off keeping Zegras and Drysdale and 3rd overall and staying the course. - Pegullaville
Somebody gets it. |
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homiedclown
Buffalo Sabres |
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Location: We want 1, FL Joined: 02.24.2008
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Would need another piece but tis intriguing.
Dahlin, Power, Drysdale, Joki on the backend
- DirtyDan
Groulx and Henrique coming back with them
Olofsson or Miller going back to the Ducks |
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