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VANTEL
Joined: 07.03.2010

Jun 29 @ 12:39 AM ET
I didn’t make the list btw
- LeftCoaster



I know that. NH says he agrees with the list I was wondering why?

Canucks have most of their top young guys already in the NHL same as Montreal have Caulfield Suzuki and Romanov. After that I don't really see any standout prospects that other teams envy.
LeftCoaster
San Jose Sharks
Location: Shark City, CA
Joined: 07.03.2009

Jun 29 @ 12:41 AM ET
Not my point.

Same draft year and yet LA’s prospect pool is artificially boosted while Vancouver’s takes a massive hit simply because they drafted the far superior player

- Nucker101

Draft year is obviously inconsequential.
NuckUp
Vancouver Canucks
Location: Cap Busters
Joined: 07.01.2019

Jun 29 @ 12:41 AM ET
Yup every team has players like that
- VANTEL


Sure. I just wonder after the e-draft losses if there will be more waiver claims.
LeftCoaster
San Jose Sharks
Location: Shark City, CA
Joined: 07.03.2009

Jun 29 @ 12:45 AM ET
I know that. NH says he agrees with the list I was wondering why?

Canucks have most of their top young guys already in the NHL same as Montreal have Caulfield Suzuki and Romanov. After that I don't really see any standout prospects that other teams envy.

- VANTEL

I only read a few (three) lists, most were the same top five then they slightly differed. The Hockey Writers had the Flyers 8th, the Athletic had them 10th....as an example.
VANTEL
Joined: 07.03.2010

Jun 29 @ 12:48 AM ET
Sure. I just wonder after the e-draft losses if there will be more waiver claims.
- NuckUp


E draft is funny what fans of each team are expecting. I keep seeing Vanouver fans expecting Seattle to take Holby or Roussel. WHY? They could take MAF Allen Corpisalo Dreiger Broissoit. Why would they even want Holtby?

I think the flat cap will cause more trades than the E Draft .

VANTEL
Joined: 07.03.2010

Jun 29 @ 12:50 AM ET
I only read a few (three) lists, most were the same top five then they slightly differed. The Hockey Writers had the Flyers 8th, the Athletic had them 10th....as an example.
- LeftCoaster



I think with Podk and Hog playing with the Canucks the pool took a hit but Canucks already have a boatload of young players
Nucker101
Vancouver Canucks
Location: Vancouver, BC
Joined: 09.26.2010

Jun 29 @ 12:52 AM ET
Draft year is obviously inconsequential.
- LeftCoaster


But you do see the flaw in using prospect pool rankings to determine how bright of a future a team had, right?
Nucker101
Vancouver Canucks
Location: Vancouver, BC
Joined: 09.26.2010

Jun 29 @ 12:53 AM ET
I think with Podk and Hog playing with the Canucks the pool took a hit but Canucks already have a boatload of young players
- VANTEL

Meanwhile the Kings are praying that their prospect pools churns out a core of Pettersson, Hughes, Boeser, Demko, Hoglander

I’ll take the sure thing all day
LeftCoaster
San Jose Sharks
Location: Shark City, CA
Joined: 07.03.2009

Jun 29 @ 12:55 AM ET
I think with Podk and Hog playing with the Canucks the pool took a hit but Canucks already have a boatload of young players
- VANTEL

Both are considered prospects and Podkolzin has never played an NHL game so I don’t know what you mean? The Canucks prospect pool just isn’t that great when you take Pettersson and Hughes out of the picture. When you consider how poorly they’ve finished in the league standings it’s really disappointing for Canuck fans. Benning should’ve been stockpiling draft picks like Montreal was doing.
Nighthawk
Vancouver Canucks
Location: Canuckville, BC
Joined: 01.09.2015

Jun 29 @ 12:55 AM ET
Not my point.

Same draft year and yet LA’s prospect pool is artificially boosted while Vancouver’s takes a massive hit simply because they drafted the far superior player

- Nucker101

When I read team prospect rankings I take it with a grain of salt. Many prospects are not that good imo. Overall prospect depth is my way of reading it. Even then it’s wide open to criticism.
Nighthawk
Vancouver Canucks
Location: Canuckville, BC
Joined: 01.09.2015

Jun 29 @ 12:58 AM ET
Sure. I just wonder after the e-draft losses if there will be more waiver claims.
- NuckUp

The 2 are not tied together. 50 contract limit determines what teams can or will claim off waivers. They have many prospects & picks to sign already.
VANTEL
Joined: 07.03.2010

Jun 29 @ 12:58 AM ET
Meanwhile the Kings are praying that their prospect pools churns out a core of Pettersson, Hughes, Boeser, Demko, Hoglander

I’ll take the sure thing all day

- Nucker101


When I watched the WJC I thought the three best players were Zegras Stutzle and Podk. Then there was another tier for Byfields Eklunds and others.

That was my take anyways. Byfield may be great one day but I would not trade Pod for him.
Nighthawk
Vancouver Canucks
Location: Canuckville, BC
Joined: 01.09.2015

Jun 29 @ 12:59 AM ET
I know that. NH says he agrees with the list I was wondering why?

Canucks have most of their top young guys already in the NHL same as Montreal have Caulfield Suzuki and Romanov. After that I don't really see any standout prospects that other teams envy.

- VANTEL

Only agree somewhat in general nothing more. I don’t enough about all the prospects nor their development & don’t agree that they do either.
Nighthawk
Vancouver Canucks
Location: Canuckville, BC
Joined: 01.09.2015

Jun 29 @ 1:00 AM ET
E draft is funny what fans of each team are expecting. I keep seeing Vanouver fans expecting Seattle to take Holby or Roussel. WHY? They could take MAF Allen Corpisalo Dreiger Broissoit. Why would they even want Holtby?

I think the flat cap will cause more trades than the E Draft .

- VANTEL

They don’t and won’t.

A b prospect is more likely. Eg Lind
NuckUp
Vancouver Canucks
Location: Cap Busters
Joined: 07.01.2019

Jun 29 @ 1:00 AM ET
E draft is funny what fans of each team are expecting. I keep seeing Vanouver fans expecting Seattle to take Holby or Roussel. WHY? They could take MAF Allen Corpisalo Dreiger Broissoit. Why would they even want Holtby?

I think the flat cap will cause more trades than the E Draft .

- VANTEL


Last e-draft they took multiple goalies and D to trade after. Holtby has more value then anyone else Canucks leave unprotected. But also, if Canucks want to clear more cap, they could guarantee Krak take Holtby trading B prospect to them.
LeftCoaster
San Jose Sharks
Location: Shark City, CA
Joined: 07.03.2009

Jun 29 @ 1:01 AM ET
Meanwhile the Kings are praying that their prospect pools churns out a core of Pettersson, Hughes, Boeser, Demko, Hoglander

I’ll take the sure thing all day

- Nucker101

I’m sure the Canucks were praying the same thing a few years ago. Turned out great for Benning, he’s picked some nice young players. Although, so did Edmonton with Draisaitl, McDavid, Nurse, Jones, Bear, Lavoie, Broberg, Bouchard, Yammy, McLeod, etc.

Surprisingly, both teams still suck?
Nighthawk
Vancouver Canucks
Location: Canuckville, BC
Joined: 01.09.2015

Jun 29 @ 1:02 AM ET
Meanwhile the Kings are praying that their prospect pools churns out a core of Pettersson, Hughes, Boeser, Demko, Hoglander

I’ll take the sure thing all day

- Nucker101

I like Sens & LAK & Ducks prospect pool but the Flyers not so much at all. Some teams have more interesting kids & rather high end than a pool of not so great.
VANTEL
Joined: 07.03.2010

Jun 29 @ 1:05 AM ET
Both are considered prospects and Podkolzin has never played an NHL game so I don’t know what you mean? The Canucks prospect pool just isn’t that great when you take Pettersson and Hughes out of the picture. When you consider how poorly they’ve finished in the league standings it’s really disappointing for Canuck fans. Benning should’ve been stockpiling draft picks like Montreal was doing.
- LeftCoaster


Montreal was not stockpiling . They were trading a lot of their prospects and picks.

They just lost Mete for nothing . Not including Price KK and Gallagher most of their team was bought or traded for
Nighthawk
Vancouver Canucks
Location: Canuckville, BC
Joined: 01.09.2015

Jun 29 @ 1:06 AM ET
Both are considered prospects and Podkolzin has never played an NHL game so I don’t know what you mean? The Canucks prospect pool just isn’t that great when you take Pettersson and Hughes out of the picture. When you consider how poorly they’ve finished in the league standings it’s really disappointing for Canuck fans. Benning should’ve been stockpiling draft picks like Montreal was doing.
- LeftCoaster

Stockpiling is flawed. Quantity highly overrated. It is & always will be who can draft & get lucky in later rounds. There is where scouts earn their keep. The flaws are there but the character & development tend to be the difference. Good teams with depth can groom their picks for roles & the odd once in awhile one blossoms.
LeftCoaster
San Jose Sharks
Location: Shark City, CA
Joined: 07.03.2009

Jun 29 @ 1:06 AM ET
But you do see the flaw in using prospect pool rankings to determine how bright of a future a team had, right?
- Nucker101

As I just said, picking great prospects is fairly simple when you pick at the top of the draft, look at Edmonton. That’s not the hard part.

Further, as it was mentioned, no one ever said prospect pool rankings equal success, it certainly hasn’t for the Canucks, but it was said our pool should improve. I don’t know why because the Canucks haven’t been good at drafting beyond the first round under Benning, hasn’t been bad, just hasn’t been good. I expect the prospect pool to remain mediocre, just like the team.
VANTEL
Joined: 07.03.2010

Jun 29 @ 1:07 AM ET
Only agree somewhat in general nothing more. I don’t enough about all the prospects nor their development & don’t agree that they do either.
- Nighthawk

NuckUp
Vancouver Canucks
Location: Cap Busters
Joined: 07.01.2019

Jun 29 @ 1:08 AM ET
The 2 are not tied together. 50 contract limit determines what teams can or will claim off waivers. They have many prospects & picks to sign already.
- Nighthawk


Losing a contract in e-draft takes away from limit.
Nucker101
Vancouver Canucks
Location: Vancouver, BC
Joined: 09.26.2010

Jun 29 @ 1:09 AM ET
Stockpiling is flawed. Quantity highly overrated. It is & always will be who can draft & get lucky in later rounds. There is where scouts earn their keep. The flaws are there but the character & development tend to be the difference. Good teams with depth can groom their picks for roles & the odd once in awhile one blossoms.
- Nighthawk

LeftCoaster
San Jose Sharks
Location: Shark City, CA
Joined: 07.03.2009

Jun 29 @ 1:09 AM ET
Montreal was not stockpiling . They were trading a lot of their prospects and picks.

They just lost Mete for nothing . Not including Price KK and Gallagher most of their team was bought or traded for

- VANTEL

The draft says otherwise, they’ve made a ton of picks, 29 to be exact, in the past three drafts.

The Canucks have picked 20 times over the same timeframe.
VANTEL
Joined: 07.03.2010

Jun 29 @ 1:09 AM ET
Last e-draft they took multiple goalies and D to trade after. Holtby has more value then anyone else Canucks leave unprotected. But also, if Canucks want to clear more cap, they could guarantee Krak take Holtby trading B prospect to them.
- NuckUp


They may take a few goalies but unless there is a high draft pick Holtby wont be a Kraken.

If Holtby had value Canucks would trade him themselves
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