if the Leafs are at the cap limit they can use the LTIR player money towards another player until the injured player is ready to return.
There's plus and minus to using the LTIR
- dmnted

so they are at 81.5. they get kesler. now theyvare at 88. they out him on ltir. they are now allowed to run at 88 using other players? until kesler returns? idont thnk thats accurate. i really dont understand it.

So Damian Warner would have come in 3rd in Long jump had he competed.

Does anyone know why he didn't? Was he not qualified to compete in Long jump? Or he just wanted to focus on Decathlon?

As a half of Edith Piaf?

- Scabeh

Oui


https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=Q3Kvu6Kgp88

Oiu

https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=Q3Kvu6Kgp88
- Canada Cup

you obviously expect too much from a dirty Habs fan

I spent all of 10 seconds trying to come up with a good play on words to turn Allen Iverson into an ice cream pun name but I gave up and decided I wasn't clever enough.
- GreatGigInTheSky

Allen Aversion to rum raisin?

so they are at 81.5. they get kesler. now theyvare at 88. they out him on ltir. they are now allowed to run at 88 using other players? until kesler returns? idont thnk thats accurate. i really dont understand it.
- Njuice

My understanding is that Kesler is never returning. His hip surgery was career-ending.

So right now the Leafs are at $81.5m on the cap. Because it's the off-season, they can add up to 10% over the cap ($8.15m). So they could acquire Kesler's rights bringing their cap total to $88.375m (81.5 + 6.875).

Because Kesler can't play, he can be immediately placed on the LTIR list and his salary on the LTIR can be used.

Basically the way LTIR works is this: LTIR Salary - (Cap Limit - Actual Team Cap) is the available room you have.

So if you LTIR Kesler's 6.875m salary, you can get that salary back minus the amount of cap room you're not using (So the Leafs are technically at $81.42 if they juggle wisely), so they would have $6.8m in additional room they could use.

We did it two years ago with Horton & Clarkson.

you obviously expect too much from a dirty Habs fan
- 21peter

Yes true. We should just tell him to

Off

So Damian Warner would have come in 3rd in Long jump had he competed.

Does anyone know why he didn't? Was he not qualified to compete in Long jump? Or he just wanted to focus on Decathlon?
- Leafs43

Focus. He needed the time to get his body ready for this event. Who’s going to remember bronze medallist for long jump? Who’s going to forget Bruce, er Caitlyn Jenner. (I saw him win that gold. Pretty cool. I ate Wheatties for a year.)

Allen Aversion to rum raisin?
- Atomic Wedgie

You frighten me

My understanding is that Kesler is never returning. His hip surgery was career-ending.

So right now the Leafs are at $81.5m on the cap. Because it's the off-season, they can add up to 10% over the cap ($8.15m). So they could acquire Kesler's rights bringing their cap total to $88.375m (81.5 + 6.875).

Because Kesler can't play, he can be immediately placed on the LTIR list and his salary on the LTIR can be used.

Basically the way LTIR works is this: LTIR Salary - (Cap Limit - Actual Team Cap) is the available room you have.

So if you LTIR Kesler's 6.875m salary, you can get that salary back minus the amount of cap room you're not using (So the Leafs are technically at $81.42 if they juggle wisely), so they would have $6.8m in additional room they could use.

We did it two years ago with Horton & Clarkson.
- Monkeypunk

They still have to be real cap compliant before the season starts though. They don't get to run the whole season at $88 million. The year we traded CLarkson to get Horton it saved us cap space because Clarkson was not injured. So we moved away a real salary and took on an LTIR salary that we put on LTIR. Basically, we got rid of Clarksons salary.

I still don't understand it. If this was the case I'd give a 1st round pick for Kesler and go spend that 6.8m on a real player. Easily. And every other contender in the league would be doing it too.

I don't think I'll ever understand it. The media never explained it in detail.

you need at least 7~7.5M to resign Rielly imo.
Where the other 1.3M+ ish coming from?
- dmnted

Trade him then. Get something now while we can.

They still have to be real cap compliant before the season starts though. They don't get to run the whole season at $88 million. The year we traded CLarkson to get Horton it saved us cap space because Clarkson was not injured. So we moved away a real salary and took on an LTIR salary that we put on LTIR. Basically, we got rid of Clarksons salary.

I still don't understand it. If this was the case I'd give a 1st round pick for Kesler and go spend that 6.8m on a real player. Easily. And every other contender in the league would be doing it too.

I don't think I'll ever understand it. The media never explained it in detail.
- Njuice

I think Tampa did the same thing trading for Marian Gaborik from Ottawa. They got the cap space

Trade him then. Get something now while we can.
- matt1337

I hope they do trade him and get something of value for him but the Leafs will most likely keep him and then loose him like Hyman.

how exactly does would acquiring kesler give them MORE cap space? they take his salary and put it on ltir... doesnt that leave them with exactly the same amount of space?
- Njuice

Yes but presumably they get a draft pick with him..

you obviously expect too much from a dirty Habs fan
- 21peter

Pete. I thought we were friends.

They still have to be real cap compliant before the season starts though. They don't get to run the whole season at $88 million. The year we traded CLarkson to get Horton it saved us cap space because Clarkson was not injured. So we moved away a real salary and took on an LTIR salary that we put on LTIR. Basically, we got rid of Clarksons salary.

I still don't understand it. If this was the case I'd give a 1st round pick for Kesler and go spend that 6.8m on a real player. Easily. And every other contender in the league would be doing it too.

I don't think I'll ever understand it. The media never explained it in detail.
- Njuice

https://puckpedia.com/salary-cap/LTIR

Have a nice read.

I hope they do trade him and get something of value for him but the Leafs will most likely keep him and then loose him like Hyman.
- dmnted

Leafs didn’t lose Hyman. He played out his full contract. Trade Rielly if there’s a trade that leaves the defence in good shape, otherwise keep him, continue to develop Sandin and see where he is next year.

Throwing away a year of Matthews/Marner contracts if you can’t make a good Rielly trade is not good asset management. Using his last year to ice your best team and hopefully develop a cheap replacement is better asset management.

I know most of you aren't big fans of Domi, but I think he would thrive
playing for the Leafs - I think a deal w/ Columbus can be had...

To TOR: Domi (5.3M w/ 1.3 retained) + Carlsson (.750) + 2022 2nd (CLM) = 4.75

To COL: Kerfoot (3.50) + Dermott (1.50) + Engvall (1.25) = 6.25

https://puckpedia.com/salary-cap/LTIR

Have a nice read.
- Scabeh

Tampa is doing it right now with Seabrook. Chicago as well, with Toews.. That's how the Hawks can afford MAF

Pete. I thought we were friends.

- Scabeh

The poop he DMs me about you is really bad. I try to stick up for. He said you weren’t fit to live with the pigs and I said that was completely untrue.

I know most of you aren't big fans of Domi, but I think he would thrive
playing for the Leafs - I think a deal w/ Columbus can be had...

To TOR: Domi (5.3M w/ 1.3 retained) + Carlsson (.750) + 2022 2nd (CLM) = 4.75

To COL: Kerfoot (3.50) + Dermott (1.50) + Engvall (1.25) = 6.25
- paulozz

I've been told that Domi has an attitude problem and wouldn't be a good fit in the Leafs dressing room

I've been told that Domi has an attitude problem and wouldn't be a good fit in the Leafs dressing room
- PatC80

He and my kid dormed together at hockey camp when he was 8. Bad news. Wouldn’t share his coke.

He and my kid dormed together at hockey camp when he was 8. Bad news. Wouldn’t share his coke.
- Canada Cup

See? there you go, already dealing narcotics at the age of 8... Trouble

I know most of you aren't big fans of Domi, but I think he would thrive
playing for the Leafs - I think a deal w/ Columbus can be had...

To TOR: Domi (5.3M w/ 1.3 retained) + Carlsson (.750) + 2022 2nd (CLM) = 4.75

To COL: Kerfoot (3.50) + Dermott (1.50) + Engvall (1.25) = 6.25
- paulozz

Considering Columbus didn't protect him in the expansion draft, I'm guessing we could have him for a lot less.

I don't really love the idea of bringing him to Toronto - I just get the idea the media glare would be waaaaaaay too bright, and our wonderful Toronto media and fans would just be waiting for the opportunity to pile on.

They still have to be real cap compliant before the season starts though. They don't get to run the whole season at $88 million. The year we traded CLarkson to get Horton it saved us cap space because Clarkson was not injured. So we moved away a real salary and took on an LTIR salary that we put on LTIR. Basically, we got rid of Clarksons salary.

I still don't understand it. If this was the case I'd give a 1st round pick for Kesler and go spend that 6.8m on a real player. Easily. And every other contender in the league would be doing it too.

I don't think I'll ever understand it. The media never explained it in detail.
- Njuice

The year we traded Clarkson to get Horton - Horton's contract was not insured, so while he was on LTIR, they were paying his salary in actual dollars while Toronto was paying Clarkson because he wasn't hurt. We didn't want Clarkson and Columbus figured they'd rather have a real "player" than Horton's $5.25m (or whatever) in lost money, so they made the trade. Then Clarkson was legitimately hurt with a career ending injury.

Clarkson was moved to Vegas with a 1st & and a 2nd for Expansion Draft considerations, but the additional cost there was that Vegas was getting Clarkson off their LTIR (I'll explain in a sec).

When we re-acquired Clarkson, we traded Sparks to Vegas for Clarkson & a 4th.

The thing with LTIR space - the injured player's salary - it is ONLY applicable once you're over the cap. So if you're a poor team - like Columbus - then you're not spending to the cap, and the $5m in Clarkson's salary still counts against your actual cap and you don't get any LTIR relief.

If you spend right to the cap, then you get the LTIR relief because LTIR relief is a mathematical formula that gives you relief on what you can't spend because of the injury.

Here's an example:

Case 1: A team is spending $77m against the cap, and the cap is $81.5m. They are $4.5m under the cap. If the team adds an injured player making $5.5m, it literally is worse for them, because the $5.5m counts against the cap first, and then LTIR second:

They are at $82.5m against the cap, and are eligible for $1m in LTIR relief. That's a worse situation than they were in.

Case 2: A team is spending $81m against the cap, and the cap is $81.5m. They are $0.5m under the cap. If the team adds an injured player making $5.5m, it is better for them. The $5.5m is applied to their cap: $86.5m, and they are eligible for $5m in LTIR relief.

The actual formula is based on LTIR salary - cap room. So the closer you get to the cap before applying for LTIR relief, the better. If you're nowhere near the cap ceiling, then LTIR relief has no benefit.